So reading the final version on the CC manual the other day. Was shocked to see a pretty significant change from the beta version. For District Command Centers it says basci watch construct will be a CDO and 2 OUs. Now my question is how much leeway will CCs have in altering that. I know here a D13 we do not have a high enough optempo to need 2 OUs. We do need a SU watch. But the feeling im getting fron the CC manual is we would in reality need 4 watch standers 1 CDO, 2 OUs and 1 SU. Which is way overkill for us. Would really appreciate the Force Mangers view on this
As the Force Master Chief, I am not too concerned as I ain't gonna give them that many OSs to man that level of watch! Have all the JOs on watch you need!
Do me a favor, take another look at what it says an OU is supposed to do an what an SU is supposed to do. Don't think about what your CC calls an OU and what they call an SU. Just read their descriptions again, rethink your position and tell me what you think.
I am not challanging your position here, it is just that some people say the OU is the GROUP watch and the SU is the M watch. Others say OU is response and SU is Prevention. Niether of those is close to correct.
Before I put any more opinion down, I would like to know your, once I know you are fully informed.
I think trying to fit OU/SU into the context of the old M vs O is wrong. OU is very much about response, says so in the manual, dealing with SAR, LE etc.... My take on the SU from reading the manual is they are more of an extention of the DRI office and what they do or a mini-JHOC. I dont see that the 2 positions are interchangable when reading the job description. Not saying that I couldnt fudge things and say the second OU is a sudo SU :P What I found confusing was in table 2-6 the first line says 2 alert watch positions and 1 CDO. - that is great for us, means 1 OU and 1 SU. But the 3rd line down it seem to contradict itself by saying they will be 2 OUs. What am I missing here
Haha lets not get into that discussion. :P There are still O-5s and O-6s on the response side wondering how they got put in charge of spill RESPONSE and notification of spills. But you are right the OU will be doing both P & R jobs. Similar to what we do as ACDOs now. I see the SU handling everything else. Escorts, HIVs, MOLs etc..... Thast just my take on what the CC manual seems to say.
But this still doesnt clarify the issue of needing 2 OUs at a District CC. IMO I think we should be following line 1 in Table 2-6 of the CC manual. Thereby allowing us to determine what watches we're going to create. In our case the Adm wants a SU watch created. The last thing I want is to restructer the CC into 1 OU, 1 SU and 1 CDO watch then have STAN come out and say "were's your other OU watch" and get giged for it.
Originally posted by Palleon: But this still doesnt clarify the issue of needing 2 OUs at a District CC. IMO I think we should be following line 1 in Table 2-6 of the CC manual. Thereby allowing us to determine what watches we're going to create. In our case the Adm wants a SU watch created. The last thing I want is to restructer the CC into 1 OU, 1 SU and 1 CDO watch then have STAN come out and say "were's your other OU watch" and get giged for it.
You don't have 2 OUs, you may have 2 watchstanders in your OU...but only one OU.
B81; No doubt, kinda was I was saying. Some folks are not on board yet.
Pal; Keep reading, thinking and talk with your MC. I am normally pretty sure of myself, nut you have one of the best CC people the CG has ever had for you MC out there. He will figure things out.
I totally understand the SU is the keeper of (Maritime Domain Awareness) but any on-the-ball OS whether OU/SU should have MDE at all times. Did we really need another body named something different, to do what we as OU's (OS's) already do? Sorry just thnking out loud.
Yes, any OS should have that. But, I would say yes, it is good to have another body. That more or less allows the OU to put a little bit of blinders on an focus on the 'here and now' of their world while the SU can, to a major extent, gloss over details and keep a bigger picture. Of course, the actual need will vary by location, day, hour or minute. We have all had that burning babies in the surf issue pop up that got us so involved that we had to start dropping other things.
Now, where we might get into trouble is when we start thinking of the CU, OU and SU as 'seperate watches' instead of different parts of the same watch. That is how some of the perception of one being the watch for "P" and one being for "R" comes in. We must all remember that the entire watch is the Sector/District CDRs watch. The P, R and even L departments are there to provide trained, qualified and ready resources for the CC to direct on behalf of the CDR, to accomplish the CDRs missions.
