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Congrats to those who are advancing. The only disheartening thing is had I not been a traitor (as I have been told) and switched to IS, I would have been advancing to OSC come Feb 1st, instead of being an IS1, but that is what happens when the orginal cuts came out at zero during the selection process.
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can you help me and tell me where to find the cut off list? thanks
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If your asking that question.... Your probably not above the cut..... Ask your OS1 or OSC, they should be able to help you... if not email me I am on the global
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Hmmm...why does this response sound cocky? |
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Not cocky, it just eats me alive that people are more ready to post on freds place than actually ask their supervisors. I mean hey, isn't that their supervisors job to lead them? I mean every advancement list I was ever on, I knew exactly what number I was, how many more people had to make it before me, hell I am sure almost all of you emailed the speadsheets with this guy advanced off the last list, this guy switched rates, that guy lost his recommendation, I am sure you remember the game.
I just don't see how anyone could be lost on where to find info on advancement or advancement list. I mean for real, it's your life, the way you support yourself, your career, how you put food on the table. Yet some people are clueless and wonder around in a cloud and will get advanced and will get questions like Chief... How do I, where do I, how can I. Guess what the answer will be then. |
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yeah...i agree. I guess that is just a pet peeve of yours. It annoys me at times as well, but I guess it's expected from an e-4 to ask questions and not do the research themselves.
I just hope that the leaders of today wont be giving the approach of "figure it out on your own" . I mean if it was an E-6 or senior E-5 asking the same questions...then we have a problem. |
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That's my point, I wasn't directing my anger at him... For some reason he felt like asking a question on Freds Place instead of having the trust to ask his supervisors.. I guess I care... sue me!
That's my two cents... Spend it how you want to! |
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I'll donate the 2 cents to charity...hopefully i can see a 1 cent tax return on it  |
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Yeah, not to be insulting or anything, right? I'm sure you would have been quite annoyed when you were an E-4 and you heard someone make a comment like that. You should let the E-4s who work under you know that you have a rather low opinion of their intelliegnce. |
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OMC2008
I don't think that was insulting at all, I feel that his statement is spot on. You can usually expect an E-4 to ask questions instead of doing the research themselves due to the fact that they don't understand yet how to do the research themselves. Once you have enlightened them that they are expected to look it up and figure it out on their own it helps them to start learning, instead of just taking someones word for it. I can't tell you how many times I have heard someone say something that was completly incorrect. When asked, where did you find that, their usually reply is, that's what so and so said. That's when I pull out a pub and show them the correct way to answer questions they might have. From doing that, I have to say I have learned alot from them latter on down the road. They'll start coming to me with a pub in their hand saying, am I reading this right, is this saying this is how we should be doing this? Then all of the sudden I am learning too, they are learning, I am learning everyone is learning. Better than just taking someones word for it. I believe that in the CG, everyday, every person reguardless of rank has the opertunity to teach and learn something as long as everyone is willing to read the written word. Lets face it if you've been in the CG for 40 years and have had every experience happen to you..... you still can't say you know everything, cause policy tends to change!! |
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Yeah, as sillybeep said...an E-4 is in his/her apprenticeship to the speciality. Questions will be asked, and for myself and my fellow Senior PO's and up, we direct, guide and mold those people. I say it is expected of an E-4 because of that reason. Not to insult anyone's intelligence, but lets be honest, your average E-4 has approx 1 year of service in the CG, so I doubt they will know all their resources. And to clarify, I was told as an E-4 to look it up, so I did. |
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Well the reason that I'm quick to jump to their defense is because I've seen E-4s who are light years ahead of the senior POs they work for intelligence quotient wise. You shouldn't presume they're ignorant. My initial response to you was based on your wording. It came across a bit condescending.
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I guess that's what happens when boots become petty officers in their first year in the CG. Perhaps I'm drawing on my own experience. I learned to navigate pubs and manuals as a non-rate, so when I made E-4 it wasn't such a challenge. |
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I said it once and I'll say it again. Every person leaving bootcamp should be required to do at the least 6 months in the fleet. There is invaluable experiance to be learned in that position. No instructor could teach what I had learned as a non-rate in A school.
Thats just my two cents.... |
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i agree on the fleet part. |
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It's not like that anymore. Supvsrs made sup too fast and they don't "mentor" anymore. I haven't seen someone try to mentor in a long time. Leadership skills are either deteriorating or were never there to begin with. From Chiefs on down, I haven't seen anyone take a real vested interest in anyone, career-wise these days. Supvsrs looking out for themselves, only. Supvsrs trying to discourage rather than encourage. Quite frankly, I think the CG needs to make Leadership classes more in depth.
"The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership." -Colin Powell |
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"The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership." -Colin Powell |
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That's a great quote, it does say alot. I am not trying to say they shouldn't come to your with their challanges. I am saying, they have tons of information to where they can figure out the answers to their challanges before coming to their supervisor. I think of it as a way of trouble shooting. If they never try to figure things out for themsleves, how can you expect them to become a leader in the CG. If your supervisor has never learned to look in a pub, how can you expect him to answer all your questions. Will the supervisor at that point have a light bulb go off in their head and say wow I better look up your question in a pub, or will the answer be the same thing they have heard from so and so? Worse yet, will that supervisor go up to his supervisor and ask? Teaching someone to learn for themselves is a virtue that will keep forever. If your not leading them to learn on their own, your catching fish for them to eat that day, teach them to learn on their own, they can fish for themselves and never starve. |
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I once heard a TC3 at Camslant during a hurricane say "like crap through a rubber hose, so are the days after minimize". Obviously the General was thinking more deeply than the watchstanders at cams that night.  |
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