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So I know this guy who got recommended for Chief by his Chief but not his ops. How can they not recommend when they have no idea what you do and never observe your leadership/knowledge. Ops don't spend much time in Radio
 Just wondering....Kevin This message has been edited. Last edited by: SaR4EveRNmJ, |
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Man I hate to hear stories like that. I don't know if this guy should or should not be recommended for Chief, but having a Chief and Ops so disconnected regarding the professional development of their own people is just a sad story.
Again i don't know the situation...did the Chief just show up 2 weeks ago and the Ops has seen his performance for the last 6 months? In any case IMHO it is a leadership failure if a member is surprised by a "No" in that block. Sean |
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Chief,
No it is just like it sounds. OSC recommended member (OSC is also a cutterman). Ops marked not recommended (Ops is a junior O-3). I know the person who didn't get recommended VERY well and he's VERY pissed. Have a good Sunday |
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Stop whining Kevin!!!Maybe if you start performing like your bro-in-law you would get recommended
 j/k I feel your pain man. Look at the bright side though, there's always next year. |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by rd1sean:
Man I hate to hear stories like that. I don't know if this guy should or should not be recommended for Chief, but having a Chief and Ops so disconnected regarding the professional development of their own people is just a sad story. Again i don't know the situation...did the Chief just show up 2 weeks ago and the Ops has seen his performance for the last 6 months? In any case IMHO it is a leadership failure if a member is surprised by a "No" in that block. Sean[/QUOTE I don't know anyone here either, but actually there are many failures here, why does the member know that the Chief recommended him but the Department head didn't? Only thing the member should have seen was the not recommended during the counseling session, and been counseled on what he needed to accomplish to get recommended. If the counseling session by the OSC included, "I recommened you but the LT changed it and I don't know why", then that cutter has some HUGE issues. On the flip side, if a first class wanting to advance to Chief is unable to communicate with his CPO and LT to find out answers to such important questions without posting on military.com, then a not recommended might have been appropriate. Just some thoughts, again, don't know anyone involved or the actual situation. |
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Good points UMW!
I would add that neither the Chief nor OPS recomended him. They both gave input to the CO, who then made a decision. It is entirely possible seeing how some units are run that the Chief may have well recomended him for advancement to RMC, but OPS said wait a minute, he is not an RM1, he is a OS1. Ask your friend this question. "If the Chief in the other shop dropped dead today, could you take over his duties tomorrow?" By the way Kev, if this person is on your boat, I'll tell you something. Your current CO was my CO the very first time I was otherwise eligible for the Chief SWE. He marked me not recomended that time, and I now know that he was 100% correct. Ten years later, he shook my hand and congratulated me for the second star on my anchor. |
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Good points except for the mil.com comment. The Chief said to the member I recommended you. Ops brought member aside, I didn't recommend you. Not coming here for ANSWERS, just INPUT as this is what Freds is for Mr. This member . As far as if the OSC on the other side died could I take over?...Well, yes, I would break in and do my duty. I do plan to use this next long deployment to come back CIC WS qual'd. Ya'll have a great CG Monday  |
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There lies the subtlety. Thie standard for recomended is as follows "Member IS capable" not "would end up being capable."  |
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Knowing me...I would be thinking "Thanks....but no thanks to you!" Now saying it to the person...that's a different story. Don't know how untouchable a Master Chief is. |
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I probably would have thought the same thing back when I was a first (ok, I DID think those things), but having attained the 'wisdom' of a MC, I actually knew it was in part thanks to him. It woke me up to the fact that advancements are not simply guaranteed steping stones for completing the black and white requirements. A person also have to proove themselves in the more subjective areas.
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LOL welll MC then we would have a lot of not recommended in the the CG and not only 1sts, but Chiefs and Senior Chiefs as well  |
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I don't see a problem with that
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Basic Training |
Alright, aside from my military.com point, what input are you really looking for? How can your OPS pull you aside and personally tell you that he didn't recommend you, and you not know why? He didn't counsel you on why he didn't? You didn't ask why he didn't? You didn't find out what steps you need to take to get that recommnded box checked? Or does all this boil down to you just not agreeing with the LT's reasoning for not recommending you since you feel he does not personaly observes you consistently in the workplace? Now you have me curiuous since you haven't been marked in months. |
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UMW - remember this started out as "a guy I know..."
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i hate to hear things like this...it sucks though i know.
my old chief once took a vote on weather or not i should get recommended...and the crazy part was most of the people he asked to vote didnt know me. |
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It comes with being in the military. There's just some stuff we all have to deal with to be in this outfit. Sucks but we'll live.
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