RE: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,161873_2,00.html

The unspoken -but presumably universal- "truth" assumed by these fear-mongers, is that Iran will commit suicide at the first opportunity that it has to launch a nuclear strike against Israel. This is of course is insanity.

What Iran wants -just what Israel, the Soviet Union, and all those countries possessing nuclear weapons want- is the ability to counter a potential nuclear threat against it by another power. M.A.D. "Mutually Assured Destruction" will work just as well for Iran and Israel as it has for the U.S. and Russia, and for India and Pakistan.

So even Israel haters consider now that Iran wants nukes. That's remarkable at least.
As you speak of insanity, insanity comes into mind if one listens to this freak Achmad..., but I know, the poor guy, he doesn't really mean, what he says, right ?

With your kind of argumentation it is equally justified to say that every felon on the street feels a certain need to protect himself from all those nasty things like other felons, police and such.

No one with a little bit brain left would grant guns to felons, not small ones and for sure not big ones. Because it's an unbearable risk.
But you think Israel should take that risk ?

In the end it really depends on what side you are. If you're on felons side, well, then you have a different point of view.

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Originally posted by AGBrina:
RE: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,161873_2,00.html

The unspoken -but presumably universal- "truth" assumed by these fear-mongers, is that Iran will commit suicide at the first opportunity that it has to launch a nuclear strike against Israel. This is of course is insanity.

What Iran wants -just what Israel, the Soviet Union, and all those countries possessing nuclear weapons want- is the ability to counter a potential nuclear threat against it by another power. M.A.D. "Mutually Assured Destruction" will work just as well for Iran and Israel as it has for the U.S. and Russia, and for India and Pakistan.

As the USA economy continues to worsen the WAR MONGERS will saturate the media with WAR MONGER messages to keep the USA public from seeing that the Military Industrial Complex is the real enemy to world peace and posterity. WHEN WILL WE EVER LEARN WAR ONLY JUSTIFIES MORE WAR.

Nuke the palestinians!

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Originally posted by AGBrina:
RE: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,161873_2,00.html

The unspoken -but presumably universal- "truth" assumed by these fear-mongers, is that Iran will commit suicide at the first opportunity that it has to launch a nuclear strike against Israel. This is of course is insanity.

What Iran wants -just what Israel, the Soviet Union, and all those countries possessing nuclear weapons want- is the ability to counter a potential nuclear threat against it by another power. M.A.D. "Mutually Assured Destruction" will work just as well for Iran and Israel as it has for the U.S. and Russia, and for India and Pakistan.

I dont know...I think I see your point,but Mutually Assured Destruction, as you stated above "works"(for lack of a better term) for most of us, but for nuclear weapons to get into the hands of a group of people(Religious Fundamentalists like AQ and the Taliban) whose ideology is killing their enemy even if it costs them their life, will grant them passage to heaven(Suicide Bombings); is not good and totally negates the threat of M.A.D.

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Originally posted by jt_def187:

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Originally posted by AGBrina: The
unspoken -but presumably universal- "truth"
assumed by these fear-mongers, is that Iran
will commit suicide at the first opportunity
that it has to launch a nuclear strike
against Israel. This is of course is insanity.

What Iran wants -just what Israel, the Soviet
Union, and all those countries possessing
nuclear weapons want- is the ability to
counter a potential nuclear threat against it
by another power. M.A.D. "Mutually Assured
Destruction" will work just as well for Iran
and Israel as it has for the U.S. and Russia,
and for India and Pakistan.

I don't know...I think I see your point, but Mutually Assured Destruction, as you stated above "works"(for lack of a better term) for most of us, but for nuclear weapons to get into the hands of a group of people (Religious Fundamentalists like AQ and the Taliban) whose ideology is killing their enemy even if it costs them their life, will grant them passage to heaven(Suicide Bombings); is not good and totally negates the threat of M.A.D.

> One other item to consider - if true - is I remember reading that Ahmadinejad belongs to a Nihilist faction within Islam that wants to bring about Armageddon in order to bring about the arrival of the 12th Iman; depending on whether or not the Supreme Leader and the other Mullahs really have control over him and the IRG, if what I read is true, then M.A.D may not really apply... unless we redefine it to mean "MADMAN ASSUREDLY (Wanting) DESTRUCTION."

So Long, Mom (A Song for World War III)
By Tom Lehrer
So long, Mom
I'm off to drop the bomb
So don't wait up for me
But while you swelter
Down there in your shelter
You can see me
On your TV


While we're attacking frontally
Watch Brinkally and Huntally
Describing contrapuntally
The cities we have lost
No need for you to miss a minute
Of the agonizing holocaust, yeah!

Little Johnny Jones he was a U.S. pilot
And no shrinking vi'let was he
He was mighty proud when World War Three was declared
He wasn't scared, no siree!

And this is what he said on
His way to Armageddon

So long, Mom
I'm off to drop the bomb
So don't wait up for me
But though I may roam
I'll come back to my home
Although it may be
A pile of debris

Remember, Mommy
I'm off to get a commie
So send me a salami
And try to smile somehow
I'll look for you when the war is over
An hour and a half from now!

[just how many languages should we translate this into? ]

Incredulously Brookes writes..."no matter what the narrowly focused National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) said about the current dormant state of Iran's nuclear weapons program...


Brookes, you are now carrying the torch for "Shooter" Cheney's Strangelovian agenda?

This puff piece has the clumsy thumbprints of "Shooter Cheney's" propaganda pool all over it. US taxpayers funds are funneled via media groups like the Rendon Group to Brookes' pocket--lovely. Apparently the Bushies cannot bully the writers of the NIE as they did to puff up the reasons for invading Iraq. So now the Bushies want us to ignore the NIE and launch a full scale attack on Iran or better yet they want our blessing for them to cut through our Area of Operations (AO) and possibly even provide logisitic support for it--what utter nonesense. We invade Iraq because of all of this "cooked intel" on WMD, but now AEI and the Bushies want to invade Iran when our intel says no? We cannot even close the door on our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan---yes the lunacy of neo con simpletons has no boundaries.

Listen, AEI the era of "American Expeditions for Israel" is over with. Roust up your self-styled intelligentsia and get o'l Bushie to give you all a waiver so that you can go off on this "long war" campaign--best of luck and write often--thanks.

Israel continues to exhibit great restraint towards the mongrels nipping at its heels. They're on a mere wisp of the land that was awarded after the Balfour Declaration, and their sworn enemies relentlessly clamor for more and more land to ensure "peace."

This is nonsense because intelligient people understand that the Arabs/Muslims and the so-called "Palestinians"(which are actually the Israelis)desire nothing of the kind. They simply want NO Israel and NO Jews in that area, or anywhere else for that matter.

Israel has beaten them time and again, often under dire circumstances (Bible.) Iran is no different from the Arab nations; the Persians/Muslims would like to be the ones to destroy Israel, but may find themselves barking up the wrong tree.

I agree with the author that this is similar to the Osirak Reactor episode in 1981 when Israel, to public outcry and secret praise, took care of business. And now they're faced with another crisis. It's obvious Israel doesn't react as their enemies do with vacuous threats and cowardly terrorist attacks. Instead, walk softly and carry a big stick is their MO.

It's too bad countries like Iran and our "allies" the Saudis continue to live in the 7th century. They could strive to be like us (freedom,liberty, etc,) but unfortunately the opposite appears to be happening - we seem to be sliding into their cesspool.

It's a slippery slope. The difference is that for Israel it's life & death every day.

"Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation."

What an apologist for the apartheid policies of Israel. Note the part in the Balfour Declaration about "...nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine..."

Do ya think Palestinians are blowing themselves up because they think they can actually overthrow the Jewish state? Clearly not true. Do you think the US will let anyone drive Israel into the sea? Of course not, so stop with the fear mongering. Do you think the Israeli policy of blowing up individuals as they drive down roads populated by civilians or dwell in apartment buildings is part of walking softly or of invading Lebanon in 2006 was successful in ejecting Hezbollah or styming acts of terror? No of course not.

As Israel continues to solidify their occupation by building a border wall their apartheid policies in effect creates ghettos and the only thing lacking is requiring all Palestinians to wear something akin to a yellow Star of David.

The Israeli reactionaries have successfully enmeshed themselves amongst America's elite, as such the failed policies of the Jewish state are now replicated by the US; the policy of not engaging in dialogue has clearly harmed efforts to create peace. Thankfully the illogical methods of both Israeli reactionaries and American neo cons will soon come to an end so that we can now make the case that Israel HAS to come to the peace table and the US has to stop funding their wall and settlement constructions.