RE: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,156928,00.html

There are only two players at the Annapolis conference: The United States and Israel. Everyone else are members of the "Peanut Gallery". The others can make noise; but they will have no influence; and their views are unimportant to the "Players".

The Arabs have had a responsible Peace Plan on the table since early 2002: All Arab countries will recognize Israel and will sign a Peace treaty with it, provided that Israelis evacuate the West Bank, the Golan Heights, and Gaza Strip completely, and go back to the borders that existed between 1949 and 1967. The Settlers and Likudniks have rejected this proposal every time it comes up.

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Every time Israel retracted from some territory, Hezbollah and Palestinian terrorists proved it to be the wrong step. If such a plan has to be believable, then Arab states have to clean up first their own house out of terrorists. And does that Arab plan also account for wanna-be Adolt Achme..., for rockets and possibly soon if not stopped, some nukes ? You know, it's not really nice to live in peace and become vaporized in a nuclear flash.

As you sound so well informed, would you like to share the facts, why delegates of the other countries are not important or not to taken serious ?

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Originally posted by AGBrina:
RE: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,156928,00.html

There are only two players at the Annapolis conference: The United States and Israel. Everyone else are members of the "Peanut Gallery". The others can make noise; but they will have no influence; and their views are unimportant to the "Players".

The Arabs have had a responsible Peace Plan on the table since early 2002: All Arab countries will recognize Israel and will sign a Peace treaty with it, provided that Israelis evacuate the West Bank, the Golan Heights, and Gaza Strip completely, and go back to the borders that existed between 1949 and 1967. The Settlers and Likudniks have rejected this proposal every time it comes up.

NikeAjax:

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/234197192...151001#4080026151001

This is a link to one of my comments in a forum entitled "In defense of Zionism". From there you can access the entire forum and all the comments made there.

AGBrina,

this is quite a lengthy discussion, was only browsing through it, saw go it back an forth. Want to tell me, how exactly you want to connect it to my post ?

Of course wrong happened from both sides, anybody wonders ? No wonder also why Israelis aggressively defend their country. What would you do, if surrounded by enemies ? You would defend yourself by any means. Can understand them well.
Is it legal ? According to what law ? Don't know. How long does it take, till a certain status is accepted or legal, no matter how this status was achieved ? If you feel that occupation of these mentioned areas is wrong, then you might want to question also Israels very existence. What was in the area where Israel is today before it began even to exist ?
You might want to give back the US to the Indians then.

Even if Israel would give all these areas back, it would not take long till more attacks happen, till more areas are asked from Israel, piece for piece, the very existence of Israel is disturbing for the Arabs. They will never keep peace, as long Israel exists. But, that's only my humble opinion and I may be wrong.

But I've asked why you believe, that the other countries delegates are unimportant. I still got no answer from you.

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Originally posted by AGBrina:
NikeAjax:

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/234197192...151001#4080026151001

This is a link to one of my comments in a forum entitled "In defense of Zionism". From there you can access the entire forum and all the comments made there.

NikeAjax:
One thing I have learned while charging the "windmills" of zionist intransigence is that the two fundamental principles of Western Humanist Philosophy do not apply when Palestinians are involved and are always considered subordinate to Jewish Zionist sensibilities:

1. "That all men are created equal." Palestinians are not to be regarded as equal to the Jews in Israel. They are not being "oppressed"; rather the Jewish "ubermen" [sic] are teaching them their place in the world order.

2. "Liberty and Justice for all."
Palestinian "Liberty" and "Justice" has no standing when in impedes the "Rights" of Jews to take and keep and use the land once called Palestine as their own.

The Annapolis conference does not address these two violations of the fundamental rights of the Palestinians; and neither do you in your comments. That is why everyone else at the meeting will make noise; but will have no bearing on the outcome.

That all men are created equal is an idea, that may work within a certain community, take as example the US. But even there it makes a big difference, if you're rich, or if you're poor.

Equal in reality simply is not perfect equal, it never is, it never was, you can only try to reach the goal of equality as complete as possible. So don't mix theory with realism. (In theory socialism works.)

If I see those fanatic Palestinians RPG waving in the streets, then I would not consider these people equal to me. If one blows up in a discotheque, than I have to say, these are animals and an animal is also not equal to me.
Have a look at the world, where do you see your ideal ideas working ? This conflict Arabs vs. Israelis always will come to the point, that one party will subsist on the cost of the other, the stronger will survive.

Simply imagine the following scenarios:

1) Arab nations are easily able to conquer Israel
2) Israel is easily able to conquer Arab nations

What do you believe will be the outcome in these scenarios ?
In the first case, Israel will be very likely obliterated, in the second case Arab nations will very likely survive.

This conference doesn't has to be ideal, but it's the best they can get in the moment. That's why I do not understand your negative attitude.

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Originally posted by AGBrina:
NikeAjax:
One thing I have learned while charging the "windmills" of zionist intransigence is that the two fundamental principles of Western Humanist Philosophy do not apply when Palestinians are involved and are always considered subordinate to Jewish Zionist sensibilities:

1. "That all men are created equal." Palestinians are not to be regarded as equal to the Jews in Israel. They are not being "oppressed"; rather the Jewish "ubermen" [sic] are teaching them their place in the world order.

2. "Liberty and Justice for all."
Palestinian "Liberty" and "Justice" has no standing when in impedes the "Rights" of Jews to take and keep and use the land once called Palestine as their own.

The Annapolis conference does not address these two violations of the fundamental rights of the Palestinians; and neither do you in your comments. That is why everyone else at the meeting will make noise; but will have no bearing on the outcome.

NikeAjax, your response has proven my point! Thank you.

Oh, you feel that ?
You believe the other parties think like I do ?
That's fine.
I'm always there to help

Have to add to the above: if those other parties think like me, then in fact you have your point.

But even if Israelis would agree to all, even if Palestinian would act different(serious), then there would be somebody stabbing in this hornets nest, as soon it seems beneficial. It's a mate situation. But I said kind of that, didn't I ?

Let's see what comes out of this and remember our post.

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Originally posted by AGBrina:
NikeAjax, your response has proven my point! Thank you.

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My post is long, and seems unrelated, but it is related as the Naval Academy knows about me, and my website, and my son is a midshipman there. I believe they had the conference there just to insult my family, like Noah, and his family was insulted, so today is like in the days of Noah. My post speaks on a different subject but they are related because it shows people won't accept reality.

The VA mental health bill proposal will not change much of anything unless what constitutes mental health is re-evaluated. One example: There are several TV programs that show people communicating with the dead, with the spirits of the dead, ( like the TV show Medium, or Ghost Whisperers) which tells us some people can hear the dead, but that does not mean they are like David Berkowitz, the serial Killer, that said a dog talked to him and told him who to kill. Currently the VA equates anyone that hears voices to be the next serial killer. By the VA doing that, that also means they won’t consider that the mind is more complex than they currently accept, so that they will therefore not use natural medications, and treatments to correct mental health problems. Right now the VA uses drugs to correct anything they consider mental.

(The Koran was written down by one who hears voices, and the same for the Old Testament, and the New. If people would accept this one idea here, then they would accept other ideas I have, but are not mentioned.)

The current VA outlook today can be compared to a person who has a broken leg, but the doctors don’t know what to do, they don’t know how to set it, so they give cocaine to the patient so the pain goes away. The doctors then say the leg is not broken, you only need to get up and walk. The doctors keep giving more cocaine to the patient until the patient feels nothing, and can then walk off on a broken leg with the bone protruding from the limb, and blood gushing out so that not long after their visit to the hospital they die of blood loss at home Yes I make the VA look pretty stupid by my example, but my analogy is pretty close to how the VA looks at mental health. Right now the VA can be considered imbeciles in that area of the body.

There are various organizations out there like the Theosophical Society, and the Rosicrucian Fellowship, just two out of many others, that have members that “hear voices” and considers it to be normal. They also tell how the body, and spirit are interlinked, so that medical doctors can use these new models to come up with solutions for mental health issues. I can not do what I am proposing here all alone. Isn’t there anyone that wants to treat the whole person, and not simply treat the patient like there is no spirit within?

Writing a senator, or congressman all alone with the idea explained here is like going to the VA and telling them “I hear voices.“ If I do this all alone I will be locked up, and drugged. Our elected officials only respond to power, to the masses. One person that might benefit millions of people will not be listened to if they are alone, for the masses elect the public official. The public official might even “hear voices” their self, for example President Johnson said he heard the Holy Spirit everyday telling him about the casualties of Vietnam, which is why he did not run again for President. One lone person can not swing the vote by their single ballot if the masses all want a person who says, or implies by their over all outlook that “hearing voices is a sign they are a potential serial killer.” Why was not Johnson locked up, and drugged. Is it because if you are in power then you can say you hear voices, but the little person can not. Well of course the little person can not say what a big shot can. We all know that much. This is not an egalitarian society, even though a big shot like President Bush tells us it is. Our society is hypocritical, or they are near the intelligence of imbeciles when they let what happens today to go unchecked. ( Or are they cowards, maybe the masses are actually cowards?) TV, and movies, and various organizations say one thing, but reality by the masses says TV land is all fake, and shows like “Ghost whisperers” is a lie, and those various organizations listed above that the CIA, FBI, and so on at times are used to help solve unsolvable crimes are all figments of their imagination.

I make the US look insane don’t I. Well currently I do consider the USA to be either insane, or they are imbeciles. Is there anyone out there that is not insane, or not an imbecile that will join me?

Please send me email, go to my personal profile.

Maybe my post above would make better sense if I added what happened to me:

In the year 2000 I made a protest by writing on a 8 ½ by 11 inch piece of paper that since the US would not uphold its laws that I would enforce them myself. The FBI came to my home, and finally after a peaceful exchange of words, they handcuffed me, and took me to the insane asylum. I told them it was merely a protest that the Holy Spirit told me to carry out. I broke no laws, but they broke the 1st amendment, (my right to practice my religion, and my right to peacefully protest) and they broke the 8th amendment,(no cruel, and unusual punishment, because they soon forced a needle in me, and drugged me, and they drugged me for about five months. ) They broke the 14 amendment which says no one will be treated differently than anyone else under similar circumstances. (For example around May 12, 2008 Al Sharpton along with about a thousand others in New York made a protest of civil disobedience and tied up traffic for several hours, so that ambulances, and other emergency vehicles could not operate. They endangered lives, and might have even contributed to killing some people by their actions. Within four hours of his arrest he was released. ) They broke my writ of Habeas Corpus too, for I broke no laws, and they could not hold me, but they did anyway. Why? Because I had insulted Congressman Porter Goss. The harmless letter was to him. I proved I did nothing wrong, and made a fool of him, so in revenge he told everyone to call me insane. This episode was a repeat of the Stanford Prison experiment where the victims were innocent, but the ones in control were ready to kill if they were told to. What does this prove? That humanity is a bunch of dumb, frightened animals. They won’t think on their own, because it means they might also be arrested.

About a year ago I asked the VA to review all that had happened to me in the past, but instead they sent police to my door and threatened to kick it down if I ever told anyone the Holy Spirit speaks to me. I am not making this up. It happened and still is happening. In fact I am leaving my home, and moving away because you are not free in America if you think for yourself. No one will uphold the US Constitution when authority breaks it, so I better leave before I am murdered by you freedom loving people. You are a bunch of *******s, and all you prove to defend are your butts. You are not brave, even you Jar Heads are whimps. So good bye you cowards at military.com.

Here is my website for details: http://home.earthlink.net/~donutnous