In another forum I visit, the military topic came up. One of the guys there is an Army Engineer, and has expressed many times his hate and spite for Army EOD, calling them wusses afraid to carry a rucksack, who do none of the work and get all of the glory for sticking a bit of c4 onto a robot.


My mind is made up, I want to join EOD, just not sure which branch, Air Force or Army. Do most engineers commonly share this opinion of EOD? I guess I'm just trying to get a feel of what others see Army EOD as, rather its just another MOS doing its job, or a group of overglorified wusses.

The EOD's do their job and thats what they do is blow up IED's with C4 or something else with robots. thats their main job. if people dont like it then they can go do something else, but thats stupid what other engineers say about EOD guys.

Yeah, most engineers say that because they want to go blow stuff up which they are sposed to, cause we are 21b, but we get to do other hooah stuff to, but some get mad cause they want to blow up stuff, but EOD acts like we never seen C-4 before.

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Originally posted by 21B_combat_engineer:
Yeah, most engineers say that because they want to go blow stuff up which they are sposed to, cause we are 21b, but we get to do other hooah stuff to, but some get mad cause they want to blow up stuff, but EOD acts like we never seen C-4 before.

I agree with this statement, they do, but we get to do much much more as a 21B then the EOD cant even emagine, and they do act like we are dumb in that way, but their shouldnt be a conflict between the two MOS's because they work so close together. anyway, theres nothing you can do, as long as u get the mission done then Hooah

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Originally posted by 21B_combat_engineer:
but EOD acts like we never seen C-4 before.

First off I'm Army EOD, and I can tell you that not all techs think this way. However, I've seen a wrench before, but that doesn't make me a certified mechanic. Just because you've "seen" c4, doesn't mean you have any business applying it to ordnance. Put c4 on a stump? fine no problem, because the stump won't blow up if you do it wrong, but ordnance does. This isn't us having an elitist attitude, it's simply the facts.

My how things must have changed.I was a 12B10, I guess the same as a 21B. We were trained with C-4, Dynamite,Det cord ,ect. We were trained how to blow dud ordenence, bunkers ,tunnels , shape charges,Ect ,Ect. There was never ,at least in my outfit ,specified folks for EOD, we all were. Now some guys were better at it then others ( more expierence) but all just sappers. Is there now a MOS for EOD?

hey we are still all trained in those area's
Eod has more technical knowledge to start out.
Most of us engineers end up with as much after working with them on deployment.At least in our case our Eod teams were very forthcoming.

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Is there now a MOS for EOD?

Yes EOD MOS 89D established in 1944. When did you get out of the Army exactly?

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Originally posted by Cango1:
In another forum I visit, the military topic came up. One of the guys there is an Army Engineer, and has expressed many times his hate and spite for Army EOD, calling them wusses afraid to carry a rucksack, who do none of the work and get all of the glory for sticking a bit of c4 onto a robot.


My mind is made up, I want to join EOD, just not sure which branch, Air Force or Army. Do most engineers commonly share this opinion of EOD? I guess I'm just trying to get a feel of what others see Army EOD as, rather its just another MOS doing its job, or a group of overglorified wusses.

I did carry an 18C MOS in Special Forces and I was a police bomb disposal officer and commander of that Bomb Disposal unit, so I think I know a little about the jobs. We worked with Army and other Services all the time.

Your "friends are full of BS! The EOD field is a great career move! It will open up a lot more jobs then a pure Army engineer job, ever will, after you get out, or retire.

You will also find that the EOD field, is a small community of "Brothers," that are very close nit.

Take it from me, it's not all robots and C-4. I say go for it!!!

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You will also find that the EOD field, is a small community of "Brothers," that are very close nit.

EOD arnt the only guys with this close nit, everyone in every MOS especially combat has a very close nit, not just the EOD fellas

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Originally posted by hellsing18:

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You will also find that the EOD field, is a small community of "Brothers," that are very close nit.

EOD arnt the only guys with this close nit, everyone in every MOS especially combat has a very close nit, not just the EOD fellas

Somewhat true hellsing; however, the EOD community is a much smaller sized career field then most other MOSs and/or career fields.

I also, suggest that you look into the currant casuality rate on EOD operators in Iraq, from all the service.

I see that you are an E-3 at Ft. Lewis? Perhaps, after you are in the Army for awhile you'll get a better feel for what EOD is all about.

Actually, the casualty rate is high when you know how many EOD techs there are Army wide. Engineers and EOD are trained to do different missions.

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All they do is the same crap Engineers are trained to do.
Hell we even got trained in collection of evidence.

Are you retarded? Seriously? You have absolutely no clue what EOD is trained to do. Hearing ignorance like this is scary. So what IED school did you go to exactly? How about AA& D's, when did you graduate that course? Have you even heard of AA&D's? How about AIED's? Been there? Know what it is or where it is? You said you are trained to collect evidence, by whom? Your unit do some SGT's time training and you think that you are qualified? Ever been to the FBI's PBI course? Ever heard of it? Like I said earlier I can turn a wrench, but that doesn't make me a mechanic, just because you know what C-4 is, doesn't mean you are now an EOD tech.

You are kidding right.We got our training on the MSR's in Iraq.Oughta be enough.EOD guys with us taught us any and everything they knew as fast as they could.You are not the only folks that can manage a pacbot.Please.

I'm gonna stop right here cause damned if I'll argue with other troops over this deal.On the road in Iraq you have to learn IED's Fast.
EOD is the base of the knowledge for engineers there.The foundation.Frag some of your Highly trained brothers served us well .I thank all you guys for the help we received from your community.Seriously we learned a lot a did a lot when necessary safely only because of the training from EOD folks we recieved over two months.ESSAYONS.

I am a spouse and have run the robot. I have also dug a hole in my backyard and helped build a garage. Oh, goodie, I am an engineer now, too.

Gorilla,

I think you're missing the point. I'm AF EOD, worked w/ engineers quite a bit in Iraq. They were competent and professional, and yes, knew how to blow up limited ordnance (IEDs and such).

What fragmag is trying to say is that what you see, and the SOP in Iraq is a tiny part of our training. We are trained to deal w/ things that are far more complex, and in much more difficult locations (where a high order cannot be withstood, innocent victims involved, etc.) We're trained and continue to train to deal with these and more safely. Yes, what you see on the MSRs isn't difficult, dangerous, but not difficult. However, it is just ONE option we are trained to utilize in a given situation. It just happens to be the safest and most expedient, so we use it.

Not bashing the Engineers, just trying to point out that there are differences.

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Originally posted by gorilla24D:

Eod has more technical knowledge to start out.
Most of us engineers end up with as much after working with them on deployment.

I must have missed this post earlier, but now that I see it, I might as well take a crack at it. So, since you deployed, you now have as much technical experiance as a trained EOD tech?Care to put your money were your mouth is? I am an instructor at the EOD school here in Florida. Come on down and show me you technical knowledge. Like eodcheese said there is much more to EOD than you know about. But you said "Most of us engineers end up with as much after working with them on deployment", not me. We work extremely hard to get our EOD badge, and its kinda funny to see others, such as yourself, saying that you can do everything that we can do, just because you saw some EOD techs doing it.

Maybe it would help if I clarify I am only talking about specificaly IED's
in Iraq and dealing with that.

I am sure there are tons of things to learn outside that.

Oh and we didn't watch,those guys put us hands on for two solid months,one in kuwait and one on Tampa.