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Military.com Forums Sound Off! Oliver North Opinion Column - Sound Off! 2nd Amendment's day in court|
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Well said Col.North
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Basic Training |
Today I read about another shooting rampage at a college. I am tired of hearing about the criminals who commit these acts taking their own life....I'd much rather read that one of the intended victims shot the criminal dead before the scumbag had a chance to shoot off too many rounds. Let students and teachers who should have the right to bear arms as outlined in our Constitution carry firearms to school if they so choose.
The police (and I am one) are so few and far between that they aren't able to stop a shooter before he kills many. I'm sure that many departments are so weighted down with rules and regulations that they won't even enter a building with an active shooter until 3 or 4 levels of supervisors are there and they've got express permission from others....My department policy says...(and I paraphrase)..If there is an active shooter...GO IN AND GET HIM...don't wait around, make a quick plan and go.....LOCATE, CLOSE WITH and DESTROY...(Our chief is a former Jarhead).... We are blessed with some great officers who can and will do what is needed when the time comes. Of course, we also have some that are better suited for traffic control. I walk into a convenience store and see a sign outside that says "NO concealed handguns"...are the owners of these places stupid? Is that sign going to stop that armed robber? "Oh, dang, I can't rob this place, they won't let me bring my gun in there" .....It's the law abiding citizens who happen to carry that the signs will affect. |
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People that are against the 2nd Amendment fall into two categories. They are either hypocrates like Rosie O'Donnell and Dianne Feinstein or they are living in fantasyland. We already know that law enforcement agencies are not obligated to protect an individual but rather the public at large. That means you can call 911 and hopefully they will make it, or you can take responsibility and defend yourself.
It should be rather obvious that the facts and the truth don't matter, i.e places with tight gun control have no impact on criminals only on law abiding citizens and leave people defenseless. Whereas those states that have CCW laws enacted and rational gun lwas have had no significant increase in gun crimes. If someone doesn't like firearms and thinks they are wrong, that is their opinion and choice. But don't force the rest of us who don't subscribe to that crap to suffer your burden. I still find it amazing that certain groups will say that the 2nd Amendment is not an individual right, yet they want the right to speak out, be safe in their homes against unreasonable search and seizure and have abortions. Take a look at the new Microstamp Law that was passed in California by the Dumbinator, which is now going to be foisted on the entire country by the liberal left. The same liberal left that lives in a secure place, has personal protection and drivers to take them around. |
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California's "microstamping" law will not take effect until 2010, which should give everyone concerned plenty of time to haul it before their courts for review.
But it would require all semiautomatic pistols to have "microstamped identifiers" or tiny internal markings that transfer themselves onto bullet cartridges fired from a gun. I don't see how that infringes on your right to call people names - or shoot burglars. |
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I agree WG somewhat with your view. |
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Verb
(transitive) Break or violate a treaty, a law, a right etc. (intransitive) Break in or encroach on something. this microstamping bs will be incredibly expensive to institute, for the manufacturers, requiring them either to raise their prices to astronomical levels, or simply take their business elsewhere. it also won't have any benificial effect. it is extremely easy to alter or destroy the microstamp. and it doesn't work remotely reliably. this is the same kind of thing as New Jersey's smart gun law. the politicos who passed this, and especially the lobbyists who pushed it, don't care if it doesn't work. as long as the scary guns go away. Brady/HCI/VPC have publically stated that if they can't legislate them away and they can't sue them out of business, then they will make the business impossible to sustain. keep in mind, as well, at least one gun company has already refused to do business with the State of California (the State itself, Barrett) due to their gun control laws, to the point of keeping BMG rifles returned to them for factory maintenance and refunding the state. |
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Only in America will one find a Col. North who lied, borrowed, stole, to circumvent the Constitution of the United States during the CONTRA REAGAN era. Now North is a Constitutional Bill of Rights spokes person.
In Mississippi where I was born and raised we call Col. North's tally waging akin to what folk say,"Havin North as a spokes person for the American Constitution and Bill of Rights is like havin an opossum guarding the chicken coop". One of my heroes is Archie Bunker. Archie was one of the characters in the sit com ALL IN THE FAMILY. Archie Bunker's character represented the blue collar working stiff which propelled the blue-collar working class thru the turbulent 70's. In ALL IN THE FAMILY there is an episode when Archie Bunker told the world how HE would stop airplane high-jacking. Archie's solution to prevent aircraft high-jacking is to give each passenger on an airplane one fully automatic UZI machine gun. I think Archie Bunker hit the final nail on the coffin for potential high-jacking. The USA is entering a special time in this country's history. Felon's like Oliver North are speaking with their forked tongue while the American people walk around like a bunch of cattle. BIG BROTHER is alive an well. In the USA history is re-written to make all the Col. Norths in the world a Constitutional Genius. Soon Col. North will support the implantation of an identification bar code for each American citizen so the government can track us from birth to death. Today the only protection WE have against North and Regan Contra tyranny is our constitutional RIGHT and First Amendment rights to BEAR ARMS. |
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Don't know if it was a machine gun with Archie, but guns for sure. Was thinking along those lines when I read your post. Was thinking, wouldn't it be interesting if, at the Supreme Court when they heard the case, everyone in the courtroom was armed to the teeth? Can you see the Justices laying their glistening ivory handled Colt 45s down on the desktop of the USSC bench? Bailiffs with dark glasses and shotguns? Lawyers with bazookas? Defendent with a Enfield revolver? Plaintiff with a Browning 9mm? I'm sure Saturday Night Live has done the sketch already. Everything goes fine until somebody sneezes. Just a thought.  |
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Sheesh...You North Haters give me a pain. At the end of your diatribe you totally agreed with with what he said. Why don't you read what he wrote and keep on the topic? North TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY AGREES WITH THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS! If you have something intelligent to say instead of a diatribe I am willing to listen, even if it disagrees with my thinking or position. Otherwise why are you posting?    |
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"There should be legislation to provide a complete plan for organizing the great body of volunteers behind the Regular Army and the National Guard when war has come. Congressional assistance should be given those who are endeavoring to promote rifle practice so that our men, in the Services and out of them, may know how to use the rifle. While teams representing the United States won the Rifle and Revolver Championships of the World against all comers in England this year, it is unfortunately true that the great body of our citizens shoot less and less as time goes on. To meet this we should encourage rifle practice among schoolboys, and indeed among all classes, as well as in the military services, by every means in our power. Thus, and not otherwise, may we be able to assist in preserving the peace of the world. Fit to hold our own against the strong nations of the earth, our voice for peace will carry to the ends of the earth. Unprepared, and therefore unfit, we must sit dumb and helpless to defend ourselves, protect others, or preserve peace. The first step — in the direction to avert war if possible, and to be fit for war if it should come — is to teach our men to shoot."
Theodore Roosevelt Message to Congress, 1908 |
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Truth, the rule of law, equality and respect for all people are more important than anything TR said.
The guy was a visionary, even a Progressive-Liberal in many ways, but he was also a Blow-Hard. |
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"In an age where guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns."
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He was a republican, but he did what was over-all best for the country. He didn't give in to the typical political BS worrying about if it was PC or not, He said what was on his mind and made things happen. Is idea was that the United States is the greatest place on Earth and we should take pride in being Americans. He believed big business should not be able to screw over the consumer, forest and wildlife should be preserved and upholding the Constitution. Another quote which I believe in: "The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life." Theodore Roosevelt |
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I would rather have a blow hard, “hard nosed”, as a Cdr in Chief anytime before any milk toast "we can work it out", hope is on the way gun grabber like Obama"... New democratic 2008 Bumper sticker “Obama, endorsed by Osama” |
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That is a good one, but seriously I have been considering voting for Teddy, even in is current condition, deceased, all the othter canidates combined come nowhere near his quality of dedication and character. |
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This is the kind of rhetorical nonsense that stifles discussion. 1) If the possesion of anything is outlawed, then anyone with that thing is by definition an outlaw.  2) Regulation of gun ownership, gun proliferation, gun size, gun safety or whatever is not necessarily outlawing guns. 3)The issue of guns in 21st Century urban America is far different from the issue of "bearing arms" in 18th Century America, unless someone can show that in 1770 Colonial New York a man could walk into a gun store housing an inventory of literally hundreds or thousands of weapons, plop down a few shilling and walk out with an automatic rifle, several sidearms, and a case of ammunition. 4) Per my understanding of the Founders, articles and amendments to The Constitution are to be reviewed, updated and/or interpreted as appropriate for the current times and situations so long as the "principle" of such Article or Amendment is kept. Of course, some may disagree. |
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Leave the The Second Amendment alone as for the rest of the constitution. Saying that a person in the 1700s could purchase a automatic weapon in that era is a pretty lame argument due to they didnt exist. In case you didnt know Automatic weapons are prohibited unless you have a license to own one. Now you can keep the original intent of an Admendment, but once all those anti gun nuts get a hold of it, there will be so much red tape to go through and expense that owning a firearm will be a priviledge to those who can afford to go through such nosense thus leaving the majority of the people defenseless. A government that can not trust the citizens with arms is a government that can not be trusted. |
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Well, never thought I could agree with North on an issue but I have been proven wrong.
The only thing I would disagree with is gun registration/training/background check. If by chance guns you own were stolen and not registered, your insurance carrier would deny the claim if they have been added on an insurance rider. Also, if they are stolen and you reported it, and it or any of the guns were used in a felony, it offers some form of protection to you the owner. Second is the training issue. I believe everyone should be qualified and demonstrate they know how to handle weapons. The NRA course is cheap and you don't have to be a member. In CT, there are individuals who hold training certificates (for pistol and carry licenses mostly) that charge about $75 bucks to take a course. Third is a background check. I see no reason why there should not be one along with the waiting period to make sure some wacko, or a felon isn't buying weapons for some nefarious reason. Fourth, if you commit a crime using any type of gun, minimum ten years with no parole. Second offense, 20 years and so on. Of course if you shoot someone or murder them...for shooting and depending upon the victims condition, 1st offense minimum of 20 years...murder someone, you get the juice. People caught selling stolen/illegal weapons...say 5 years per weapon with no concurrent sentence...you have 5 weapons, you get 25 years. I have no problem with my tax dollars building more prisons, spartan prisons that is...no frills. S/F Gordon |
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Most gun owners don't mind common sense controls. Unfortunately, there is no more middle ground or common sense. I am all for a person demonstrating a capability to safely use a weapon. But, I am sick and tired of people saying we don't need civilians with .50 caliber rifles or automatic weapons. The cost of these weapons, not to mention the background checks that are done pretty much kill the notion that they are used by criminals to perpetrate crimes.
When was the last time a person with a licensed fully automatic weapon used it to commit a crime? Let someone show some real stats that show that lawfully licensed persons with CCW's are out committing crimes? They said the same thing when Florida passed it's revised CCW law in 1987, which has been the basis for other states to model their CCW laws on. The Microstamping Law is nothing but feel good legislative crap. Experts testified that it is easy to defeat with simple tools like a Dremel wiithin a few minutes. It doesn't addres revolvers which are also used as well as long guns or an illegally sawn-off shotgun. The problem is that this stupid law will have almost no affect on criminals or crime so then they will introduce another law to enhance it. California already has some of the stupidest, draconian laws on the books. Like I said before. If someone doesn't want a semi-auto AK47, AR15, FN FAL, Glock or whatever that is their choice. But, don't force it on the rest of us who are legal gun owners and don't commit crimes. |
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