Nutty North's ghostwriter offers: "That's an interesting way to describe what some might call insubordination...resulted in President Harry Truman sacking General Douglas MacArthur on 11 April 1951 -- in the midst of the Korean War."

Here is the heart of the Spin

"Despite the way Admiral Fallon and the Bush administration are portrayed in the Esquire piece, no one that I know of -- in the White House or the Pentagon -- wants war with Iran. In fact, rather than a rush to war, the Bush administration has been on a rush to diplomacy. And it may even work." Ya just gotta raise your watch on that one, don't ya?




Yesireee, folks, another Nutty North, "black pearl" similar to the content and caliber of animal droppings. Only in the neocon landscape would this fit, for in that instance, McArthur was trying to expand the Korean War and Truman was rightfully reining him in--Truman got it wrong according to Nutty. In the current case, a complete role reversal. The biggest point, Admiral Fallon like President Truman, elected to serve his nation not his incurious president, or in Truman's case a pompous general. The good Admiral Fallon had to rein in a president who has abandoned laws, logic, and liberty in this mindless quest to ensnare Iran under the exact false premise Bushies cooked up to invade Iraq.

This time, Fallon sees the threat and the Bushies idiotic quest against the backdrop of a resurgent Taliban, and the ever present glare--the neon flashing red warning light of Osama Bin Laden and his muslim nutjobs residing blissfully in their Paki sanctuary.

So spew as you must Nutty, obviously there is no quality control on the propaganda funds coming your way, via Rendon Group, et al, as your ghostwriters offer the same caliber of intellect as that of yourself, a gap-toothed false patriot who traded arms with terrorists---among other things.





RE: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,163962,00.html

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ok, this time I have to disagree with LtCol North.

"Last September, while the administration was in the midst of trying to ratchet up UN sanctions against Iran -- and was telling allies and adversaries alike that "all options remain on the table" to deter Tehran from acquiring nuclear weapons, Admiral Fallon said on Al Jazeera TV that "This constant drumbeat of conflict...is not helpful and not useful." Less than two months later he told the Financial Times, that a military strike against Iran was "not in the offing…another war is just not where we want to go.""

I fail to see the disagreement here. It looks to me like The administration was saying that we are willing to consider military options, and Adm Fallon was saying we do not want to go to war. If you put those two statements together, you get "We don't want a fight, but we'll fight if you make us."

LtCol North's op-ed sounds like exactly the kind of stuff that caused Adm Fallon to resign.

Oh, Ollie, Ollie, Ollie. Insubordination? MacArthur? Aren't we being just a teensy-weensy bit revisionist here? I think Truman is credited with avoiding WW3, which most assuredly would have occured had MacArthur been allowed his way.

24 December 1950
General Douglas MacArthur sends a list of targets to the Pentagon and asks for 34 atomic bombs to create "a belt of radioactive cobalt across the neck of Manchuria so that there could be no land invasion of Korea from the north for at least 60 years." [Stanley Weintraub, MacArthur's War: Korea and the Undoing of an American Hero (New York: Simon & Schuster, 2000), pp. 263-264; Bruce Cumings, The Origins of the Korean War: Volume II, The Roaring of the Cataract 1947-1950 (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1990), p. 750; Peter Hayes, Pacific Powderkeg: American Nuclear Dilemmas in Korea (Lexington: Lexington Books, 1991), pp. 9-10.]

In fact, what is going on here looks 180-degrees from what happened in 1950-51.

"Apparently, there just aren't enough journalists to stake out the Spitzer's Manhattan apartment; track down his hookers and cover these other premature exits."

Oli says "hookers" as if it's a bad thing!

And this is a surprise to anyone coming from a disgraced LtC, removed from the Marine Corps for selling arms to Iran to pay for a war in Central America under then president Reagan, an illegal act even then the last I heard. That only the power of the then president got him out of, or has everyone forgotten about the Iran-Contra affair. So what does anything this man has to say mean anything to anyone other than either disinformation, or propaganda for the neocons at power right now. And before the flames begin from the whatabys on this site, I am a real disabled vet that has been there for this country from Panama to Iraq (that finally did me in). So before you add to this, walk a LRP in my boots first. Get off your playstation and go out there and kill and bleed for real before you say anything about myself or my fellow brothers that are still out there in the fight where death is for real not a restart of some dumb game. Because the only reason you can sit there and play your game is the cost others have paid before you for over 230 years of conflict and wars for this great nation.

Ollie talks about insubordination. Please, get rid of this self serving jerk. This man not only lied to Congress, he actually personally profited from bribes from a potential contractor. All is fact, nothing made up, the only thing that allows him to use his rank and not lie in a gutter in utter disgrace, as deserved, is a cut deal, such an honorable man.

It should shame a site dedicated to the military to allow this lying crook a forum.

This Adm. Fallon bashing by "good golly not Ollie" is brought to you straight from the RNC spin machine. This Bravo Sierra of North's is an attempt to link the POTUS with Former President Harry S. Truman. It goes like this: "Harry Truman made unpopular decisions that were later vindicated by history and so has President Bush". The only problem is politically the RNC cannot wait for history to "vindicate" or revise history and W's part in it. So here comes the history pimps like Ollie and Gaffney etal. who stoop to phony histrionics to say things like Adm Fallon, good thing hes gone etc.

Anybody in uniform who disagrees with this President can expect the same treatment. Thank You, Adm. Fallon for saving us from an unnecessary war with Iran. And goddamn you Ollie North,POS.

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Last week, the April edition of Esquire magazine contained a fawning puff piece on Admiral Fallon entitled "The Man Between War and Peace." The article describes the CENTCOM commander "as brazenly challenging" President Bush on Iran. The highly provocative piece, written by Thomas Barnett, baldly claims that the White House "has been escalating the war of words with Iran" and seems "ever more determined to strike militarily before the end of this presidency." According to Mr. Barnett, Admiral Fallon "has urged restraint and diplomacy."

"Baldly claims"? Ollie: the neo-con administration (lets face it: these folks are anything but Republican) *has* been escalating "the war of words with Iran", and has been building the case to "strike (Iran) militarily before the end of this presidency."

This is what is coming out of their own mouths Ollie. And they did the *exact* same things prior to pulling the trigger on Iraq (remember the "935 lies" told by this adminstration to goad the US into going to war in Iraq? - where are all the so-called "Principaled Republicans" now? - Doesn't this problem beat getting a BJ from an intern as impeachable? - or have your expectations for a chief execute really sunk so low? - but I digress).

Fact: As signatories on the NPT, the Iranians have the right to process uranium for power generation.

Fact: The machinery that was discovered to have illegal isotopes (i.e. weapons-grade) was found to have been acquired from Pakistan, who acquired the same machine from Russia, which was already contaminated when they got it (and reported as such by OUR inspectors).

Fact: When the Shah or Iran (in 1975) was still running the country, he commissioned a study on Iranian energy independence, because he wanted Iran to become as technologically advanced as western countries are. They determined that fueling that growth would be a problem because the oil they pump is not of the proper grade/type for doing so. At the time, they determined that they would start running out of energy (or reach the limits of what they could do locally) in 30 years. Therefore, nuclear energy was the best option for them to pursue.

The Iranians sent the results of this study to the United States where it was carefully reviewed for accuracy, techniques used to determine the eventual outcomes, and whether the conclusions were correct. These studies were signed off on and APPROVED by a number of government officials, two of those signers were RICHARD B. CHENEY and DONALD RUMSFELD (do those names ring a bell, Ollie?)

Do the math: 1975 + 30 = ? (hint: right about now!)

Fact: The United States of America approved of what the Iranians are doing today: executing the Shah's plan for Iranian Energy Independence.

Fact: The Iranians were the FIRST country to offer condolences and denounce the attacks on 9/11.

Fact: The Iranians offered to allow us to use bases on *Iranian" soil to support our incursion into Afganistan.

Fact: The Iranians offered us use of their hospitals, etc, to support the incursion into Afganistan.

Fact: The Iranians have no love for the Taliban or AQ because they KILLED Iranian diplomats and thier families when they were living in Afganistan.

Fact: The Iranians gave us huge amounts of intelligence to support the Afganistan campaign.

Fact: The Iranians were ASKED by the United States to send the Badr Brigade into Iraq when we went in to stabilize that part of the country post-invasion because we didn't have sufficient troops.

Fact: The Iranians came to us hat-in-hand to bury the hatchet because THEY realized that the relationship between the US and Iran needed to be fixed. All issues were on the table.

Fact: This administration then stupidly added them to the "axis of evil" and has been trash-talking ever since.

Fact: This adminsitration know the facts behind the Iranian energy policy, and are NOT going to point that out to anyone, despite it being publically recorded (many Americans are simply lazy and can't be bothered to look).

Fact: This adminsitration knew the facts about Iraq before going in, and LIED to the American public, both houses of representatives, the UN, and our allies to justify the invasion.

So - anyone who doesn't take what this administration says with a bucket of salt is either dilusional, or loves being LIED TO.

And about Spitzer: Thats just noise. So he's a hypocrite - just like every one of the "Principaled Republican House Managers" that took part in the impeachment of President Clinton: Newt Grigrich at the time was having an affiar with one of his assitants, and was really classy about telling his wife he wanted a divorce when she was in the hospital with cancer; Helen Cheneworth (sp) broke up a marriage because she had an affiar with a married man; Henry Hyde has an extramarital affiar that he tried to pass off as a "youthful indescretion" - despite the fact that he was 43 at the time; and Bob Barr, there's a real piece of work: he fathered a child not only out of wedlock, but while he was married to another woman!

So Ollie: You can take your lousy opinions, thoroughly documented lack of personal integrity, support for the neo-con administration, attitude, and Anti-America favored policies, and go to hell. You'll have lots of company as much the incumbant executive staff will be there with you.

And Ollie - don't you remember the Iranians? They were your buddies when you were selling them American arms and ammunition that they might have to use to shoot at our boys (I think selling arms to your enemies is still considered treason, isn't it?) if this administration executes the war plan on Iran - which would be a vastly stupider and damaging enterprise than the Iraq disaster (hint: the Iranians aren't nearly as dumb as this president or advisors, or Saddam).

I don't quite understand why whenever Oliver North writes an op-ed very little is said about the article. It is like a broken record with you people. I bet most of you can't wait for North to write another article just so you can bash him with little else to say. For those that are able to bash him and comment on the article at the same time, congratulations you have still sunk to a new level. The name calling just adds to the childish nature of many of your posts. And yes I do see the irony in posting this since I have said nothing about the article.

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Originally posted by PreMC:
I don't quite understand why whenever Oliver North writes an op-ed very little is said about the article. It is like a broken record with you people. I bet most of you can't wait for North to write another article just so you can bash him with little else to say. For those that are able to bash him and comment on the article at the same time, congratulations you have still sunk to a new level. The name calling just adds to the childish nature of many of your posts. And yes I do see the irony in posting this since I have said nothing about the article.

Classic neoconist argument, exclaiming a point not validated by facts. In the above postings by others, they are replete with facts and spot on with dismembering--no ANNIHILATING Nutty North's propaganda, what part about that don't you understand?

Yet you, an alleged advocate (perhaps THE ghostwriter of this tripe?) offer exactly what in Nutty's defense? A pithy off point comment that people are racing past this ghostwritten fluff to eviscerate Nutty? Please, we are directly countering his outlandish lies and reminding people of his criminal character, are you holding forth that anything of substance is offered up by Nutty North's ghostwriting team?
This ghostwriting team obviously was born after Nutty's Iran-Contra hearings, or they were too young to grasp Nutty's traitorious conduct. So don't whine post your defense: arguments, facts, etc. Exactly, total silence.

I ckecked all of the above's profile. Some seem a little "strange" to say the least.
I'd like to hear more from "Ground pounders" that have actually served in combat, who know how to repect the opinions of a true war hero.
After all, If the highest award earned is an achievment medal or good cookie award then don't even try. As far as the civilians go..Just go outside and hug your trees.
Col. North was able to achieve a status that none of you back-seat drivers could.
So don't hate Col. North just because you're old and your career is over or all you do is float while the rest of us serve on the ground.
He probably pays more taxes than you losers make in a year!

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Originally posted by rockriver04:

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Originally posted by PreMC:
I don't quite understand why whenever Oliver North writes an op-ed very little is said about the article. It is like a broken record with you people. I bet most of you can't wait for North to write another article just so you can bash him with little else to say. For those that are able to bash him and comment on the article at the same time, congratulations you have still sunk to a new level. The name calling just adds to the childish nature of many of your posts. And yes I do see the irony in posting this since I have said nothing about the article.

Classic neoconist argument, exclaiming a point not validated by facts. In the above postings by others, they are replete with facts and spot on with dismembering--no ANNIHILATING Nutty North's propaganda, what part about that don't you understand?

Yet you, an alleged advocate (perhaps THE ghostwriter of this tripe?) offer exactly what in Nutty's defense? A pithy off point comment that people are racing past this ghostwritten fluff to eviscerate Nutty? Please, we are directly countering his outlandish lies and reminding people of his criminal character, are you holding forth that anything of substance is offered up by Nutty North's ghostwriting team?
This ghostwriting team obviously was born after Nutty's Iran-Contra hearings, or they were too young to grasp Nutty's traitorious conduct. So don't whine post your defense: arguments, facts, etc. Exactly, total silence.

You are right. I don't have any facts to offer, but wow you use some very fluffy words. I am sure that your history is perfect. No mistakes. Patriot to your country. Were you really in the air force? I see no unit citations. So don't talk to me about not posting my profile. Were you ever in battle? If you were then I thank you for your service. If not then what the hell did you do in the military. See, I can attack a person's character as well.

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Originally posted by CorporalMcIntyre:
I ckecked all of the above's profile. Some seem a little "strange" to say the least.
I'd like to hear more from "Ground pounders" that have actually served in combat, who know how to repect the opinions of a true war hero.
After all, If the highest award earned is an achievment medal or good cookie award then don't even try. As far as the civilians go..Just go outside and hug your trees.
Col. North was able to achieve a status that none of you back-seat drivers could.
So don't hate Col. North just because you're old and your career is over or all you do is float while the rest of us serve on the ground.
He probably pays more taxes than you losers make in a year!

If Ollie had quit after his service in Nam you might have a point. But that was the last good point of his career. Check out his service as a company commander in Okinawa. Check out his service in Iran Contra. No hero lies under oath, no hero accept bribes from contractors for his house or children or anything else.

And do you really link his salary to his worth as a person or a poster? That says a lot about you, not him, and it is not pretty.

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Originally posted by PreMC:

You are right. I don't have any facts to offer, but wow you use some very fluffy words. I am sure that your history is perfect. No mistakes. Patriot to your country. Were you really in the air force? I see no unit citations. So don't talk to me about not posting my profile. Were you ever in battle? If you were then I thank you for your service. If not then what the hell did you do in the military. See, I can attack a person's character as well.[/QUOTE]

So we agree then, you have no facts to offer in your defense of Nutty North's ghostwritten article. So your point is...? Let Nutty North post his lies and say nothing or snort and grunt in affirmation? Sorry, but I have this thing for truth, justice and the American way. Unlike the situational patriotism or patriotism-lite, Herr Nutty is so enamored with.

I think you have me confused with someone else, because I never asked about it nor do I truly care whether you have a profile or not. A profile does not affect the caliber of your postings what you post bears that burden. Since you only whine and offer nothing of substance I guess that speaks volumes, eh? As for attacking my character, is this where I say, ouch? Or should I switch into all caps mode and then say, OUCH?

Perfect? I don't know what you mean, but if you mean did I serve honorably, then yes it was perfect. So sorry to disappoint you, but I didn't violate my oath, did not trade arms with terrorists, followed the laws established by Congress, etc, etc. Your welcome and equally I thank you for your service.

Col. North just took the fall for someone else. I'm suprised that you people think that a light bird could even do something like that on such a grand scale. Either a LTC has more power than I could ever have imagined, or you guys were just losers that hid behind someone's skirt.
Show your awards. Show us what you did. At least that way we could take you seriously (if it's truthful).
As far as Col. North betraying his country-Have you really looked at what has been discussed?
I consider some of the things that have been written here to be treasonous. Especially when it's being written from former officers.
If the Iranians are so trustworthy-then move there and live happily ever after. Stop disrespecting our Commander In Chief. Use your eloquence for the greater-good.
No matter what your opinion. There are very young men and women who serve and need support for what they are doing. Like it or not, Col. North is supporting the troops by supporting the surge.
Apparently the chairforce never taught respect for Command.
You're retired...It's over for you...Give it up...

Calls Fallon "insubordinate" for not wanting to go to war with the same country North had no qualms selling weapons to. Go figure.

CorporalMc:

First, you concede Nutty North committed treasonous acts, as you excuse his actions under the infamous label used by Nazi and Japanese war criminals: “just following orders” did I mention they still got the rope? In this instance, you illustrate precisely your inability to understand the tenet amongst military members that you cannot follow illegal orders…which begs the questions, do you understand the term “illegal orders” and are you really in the military?

Your inability to grasp that critical point is plainly clear you are blinded by Nutty North’s empty rhetoric or you don’t have a clue about the responsibilities for carrying out military orders,---either way my condolences. If anything, your willful ignorance in distinguishing Nutty’s criminal behavior demolishes your claim that others are making treasonous statements. What word in the alternate universe that you occupy do you use to describe Herr Nutty’s willingness to carry out illegal orders: “freelancing? entrepreneurial acts of kindness?” Sorry to burst your bubble, but Herr Nutty committed these heinous acts of treason.

Finally, know this and know this well, dissent is a critical part of our freedoms and I take great pleasure in exercising it at will and if you do not like it, then post anything to counter my viewpoints, or attack me if you like, either way it will lack substance. Keep in mind there are many other military members who are opposed to the Bushies policies deal with it; you would be better served if you actually questioned your own beliefs on things, as what I have seen so far from you tells me that you have yet to exercise that part of yourself. In a final example of your consistent circular reasoning you chide me for being retired--- yet Nutty is retired, exactly. Chairforce? Yes, plus don’t forget the air conditioning and linen sheets…don’t hate---aviate.

What you don’t realize is that Nutty North, Frank Gaffney, Peter Brookes, etc are part of an clumsily transparent effort to offer propaganda like a herd of elephants marching to the same tune and theme-- way too coincidental. Of course when organizations like the Rendon Group exist to sprinkle our tax dollars amongst this array of shrillmiesters their “patriotism” claim is all the more suspect.

PS When Obama or scary Hillary is your CinC I’m sure you will be defending whomever from North’s salvos, right? More circular reasoning? Thought so.

Blah Blah Blah...
You can never know what a trooper goes through on the ground. You'll never have the respect that ANY Marine has. Try as you will to insult, but I know who I am and what I stand for.
Ollie has done well and all you can do is blog on this site. If you are never involved in anything then you can't make any decisions that will be critiqued.
I'm going to go now. I know your type, you'll have to get in the last word. I've got better things to do. I'm still young and working.
See ya old man.