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Basic Training |
RE: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,145437,00.html
Damn...never thought of that? Get on a plane, and be seen in Iraq? Yeeeeah Bouy! |
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OK, LTC(ret) North. Let's just take the first few paragraphs.
Paragraph 1: You grossly misrepresent the opposition to Bush’s policy of spreading democracy. Given this Administration’s open disdain for any Congress that dares to challenge it, panic peddling (with your help) to disregard legal precedent on so many issues (“civil liberty“ is not a left vs. right issue as Libertarians have clearly demonstrated), one has to wonder just what kind of democracy Bush wants to spread. As to whether or not Bush’s strategy (although it seems more a Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz thing) is making it safer, talk to Generals like Zinni, Newbold, Batista or Shinseki or retired Officers like Andrew Bacevich or Conrad Crane or Andrew Terrill. Paragraph 2: A rhetorical exercise in obfuscation. Progress? As defined by whom? Masters of the media? Does that include Murdoch? William Kristol? Fred Barnes? Defeatism? Per whom? “A ‘shock and awe’ campaign?” What hystrionic nonsense! Paragraph 3: More blatant partisan rant. Isn’t it interesting Mr. North makes no mention of possible GOP obstructionism? (you know, the forcing a "supermajority" ploy? along with preemtive threats of veto by the Pres.?) That the investigation hearings are in response to the Nov ‘06 elections that wanted the Neys and Foleys and Abramoffs purged from our government? and in response to the shameless compliance with an elitist if not messianic Administration by the 107th, 108th, and 109th GOP dominated Congresses? And nothing is being postponed or thwarted at this time by any unpassed appropriations bill. Could it be rate at which supplies are being exhausted? Bad war planning? Overstretching the Military? Tax cuts while engaging in war? When one is not worried about logical consistency or any genuine variety of resources to support one's views as O. North appears to be, I guess you can keep coming up with these kinds of "op-eds." |
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Supposedly, this man didn't know that trading drugs for weapons could in any way be considered a crime. Then he couldn't understand how giving those weapons to an opponent could in any way harm our nation. Now he thinks it best to focus his ire on those who have had the least to do with the multitude of mistakes made in Iraq, and expects us to take him seriously.
Oliver North, you not only betrayed your nation when you committed those crimes, you also betrayed your fellow soldiers who would eventually be mamed or killed by the weapons you put into the hands of their enemy. Of course we can not know for certain how many death warrants you have signed, but that doesn't really matter. The fact that they were lost as a result of your incompetence is enough to give any American pause before considering your advice. |
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Basic Training |
Doom and Gloom seems to be the postings here. I did not know that the "Dizzy Kos" posted here?
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Basic Training |
The Surge may be working, but only temporarely. The Defense Department has already admitted that we cannot sustain the Surge much longer...short of extending our troops for the duration. The British are experiencing, in Basra, what we are going to face in the coming year. As they withdraw forces, they are coming under heavy attacks and Basra itself has turned into a Shiite nightmare. Numerous Shiite factions and gangs are fighting for ultimate control of Basra. If Mr. North thinks a visit by Bush to Iraq will turn the tide, he has inhaled too much dust and sand from Iraqi Sand Storms. Besides, I believe Bush has already decided to draw our troops down. The only question is the timing for such an announcement....Probably sometime after summer vacations, after September 15th, and before the 08 Elections get into full swing.
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"Rather than firing barbs at the Iraqi legislature, critics should focus their ire on Capitol Hill. The 110th Congress – led by Senator Harry Reid and Speaker Nancy Pelosi – is setting new records for irresponsible behavior. Though they have found time to launch more than 600 investigatory hearings, our good Senators and Congressmen fled Washington this week for a month in the sun without passing any of a dozen appropriations bills – including those needed to support our troops in the field. This week the shipment of new armored vehicles, necessary to protect U.S. soldiers and Marines from deadly IEDs was postponed for lack of funding."
Oh Ollie, there are so many things in this article I would love to write about, not enough time, so I'll stick to this one. Congress has launched about "600 investigatory hearings"(those are your words), thats because they found about 6000 things this Admin has done wrong sence it's been in office, even Nixon were not that bad. The Iraqi legislature is taking leave, our Congress is taking leave, even the President is taking leave, they all call it a vacation, I guess that make it not so bad(in their eyes anyway). The only ones who are not "taking a vacation" are the ones that needs it the most, if you are a true military man, I don't have to tell you who they are. "Doing the right thing?" how about you do the right thing and write about what you really should be writing about. I'll tell you what, I'll give you a push in the "right" direction, Bad planning, lack of preparedness, to name a few. And heres the kicker, bad leadership. |
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Basic Training |
I agree whole heartedly with this opinion. LTC North is a hero of mine. CPT Carter, USA, Ret.
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I wonder if Retired Lt. Col North realizes that Article 88 of the UCMJ ("contempt toward officials") applies to him. He is collecting retirement pay, is he not? http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/ucmjart2.htm Oh the delicious irony of it all. ----------------------------------------- |
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Once again Good Golly not Ollie has proven himself to be nothing more than mouthpiece for the neo-whatevers. Moaning and groaning about all those pesky congressional investigations and probably special councils dealing with Blackwater, Halliburton, Pat Tillman, pre-war intelligence,etc. poor Ollie.
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"A shift in public opinion this significant would be hyped in any political campaign – and likely make the pundits take notice. Instead, almost to prove the people wrong, we have been treated to yet another avalanche of headlines and lead stories bemoaning bad things in Iraq. "5 More Boycott Iraqi Cabinet," said an Associated Press headline. "Iraqi Political Crisis Grows," screamed ABC News. "26 U.S. Troops Killed in 1 Week in Iraq," blared a CBS headline. The Washington Post ran, "Weapons Given to Iraq Missing.""
What should we do? Ignore the deaths of our soldiers? Also, I think 190,000 missing weapons is newsworthy. |
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Lets' talk about public opinion and doing the right thing.About 80% of the population of the free world detest Bush and say he should resign.The vast majority know the real reason for this war which had nothing to do with Iraq.They also know of the Ties that the Bush family has with the Bin Laden family.Doing the right thing means one thing,Bush and Cheney should resign.Oh that is right.they still have another 18 months to fatten their bank accounts.I guess we will just have to grin and bear it.
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Good post  |
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