Most telling that the focus is on Casey's earlier career--a shining moment---if it indeed occurred as it has been alleged, because it leaves out Casey's traitorous conduct. The glaring failure and unflattering unraveling of a public servant, out to carry his one last hurrah of revisting his self-styled glory days, for Casey elected to serve the President rather than the law...the Constitution he swore to defend he could care less, for he broke many laws to carry out his Nut Job agenda---all facilitated by his gap-toothed sycophant, Nutty North.

Rewrite of History? Indeed.

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,156317,00.html?wh=news

From the very first paragraph of this useless homage to his mentor, the errors are glaring and obvious. North cannot even get the date of his (Casey's) death correct (which was in May of 1987, not in 1988 as North claims).

Look up "The October Surprise" to see just ONE instance of the man's low standards for following the Law. Casey was involved in every aspect of all the illegal activities tied to the Iran Contra affair, and the beginnings of political and military-support for one Saddam Hussein.

North should stop drinking the happy-juice that continues to disrupt his thinking processes, to this day.

What ever happened to the "petition" to remove this liar's columns from Mil.Com?

Why Oliver North continues to get "face time" in the media and Mil.Com is beyond me. I can't believe someone with such low moral standards is considered a Subject Matter Expert in history or politics. Just like his Neo Con handlers he loves to rewrite history. They believe if you tell a lie long enough and with enough conviction it will become truth. Ollie North is a 20/21st Century carpet bagger, who would sell his soul to the devil to make a dollar or get his undeserved fifteen minutes of fame.

Hey maybe Barry Bonds should hire him as part of his defense team

so let me guess, yall don't like the good col?

No it has nothing to do with liking it is about honor and integrity, clearly Nutty North at this stage has yet to grasp that concept. Still, perhaps I am unfair, for one would think his emminence, Nutty North wouldn't be so blatant about misrepresenting the truth...perhaps it is the young staffer geek short on historical context who diligently pumps out these screeds without a clue of the facts clearly etched in our brains because they weren't born yet so of course they believe anything, Nutty North has to say. Still Nutty's gullible staffers shouldn't feel bad, our fair-weather Partriot, Nutty has initially fooled everyone.

Oliver North was/is a combat Veteran thus his input columns/opinions are as valid as anyones.
I imagine you prefer the opinions of limo libs who never served such as Harry Reid

Did you know John Kerry served in Vietnam?

Yes Ollie, William Casey served this Country well in the second world war like you did as a platoon commander in Vietnam. But like you, Ollie, "Bill" Casey, sadly thought nothing of breaking the law to promote a political agenda.

"Unfortunately, North, who assumed command of the arms sales in late August or early September 1985, and McFarlane, who helped him, turned out to be naive bumblers who were no match for the wily Iranian negotiators. Every time a US hostage was released, another was taken. Meanwhile, North cross-pollinated the Contra and Iran initiatives. By artificially inflating the prices of the arms, North was able to reap profits that could be diverted to funding the Contras. The arms shipments lasted from August 20, 1985 to October 28, 1988, and a total of more than 2,000 missiles and spare parts were shipped to Iran. But of the $16.1 million in profits raised, only $3.8 million ever went to the Contras. The rest was used to purchase equipment, such as a cargo freighter, that could be used in future unspecified operations." There was Fawn Hall, North’s secretary, who testified that she shredded some classified documents and smuggled others out of the NSC building by stuffing them down her boots and in the back of her blouse. There were Reagan staffers and Cabinet secretaries such as Donald Regan, Edwin Meese, Robert McFarlane, Elliott Abrams, and George Schulz, who provided details of a White House overrun with private-sector intermediaries. And there was a seemingly endless parade of low-level bureaucrats and shady arms dealers caught up in the web.
Coincidentally, the one witness who had the most to tell, CIA director William Casey, was discovered to have a brain tumor and died the day after the hearings began. Casey reportedly admitted his involvement in a deathbed interview with Washington Post reported Bob Woodward, although Casey’s widow denies Woodward ever got near her husband’s room.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/reagan/peopleevents/pande08.html
The arms-for-hostages proposal divided the administration. Longtime policy adversaries Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger and Secretary of State George Shultz opposed the deal, but Reagan, McFarlane and CIA director William Casey supported it. With the backing of the president, the plan progressed. By the time the sales were discovered, more than 1,500 missiles had been shipped to Iran. Three hostages had been released, only to be replaced with three more, in what Secretary of State George Shultz called "a hostage bazaar."http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcaseyW.htm
A member of the Republican Party, he directed the presidential campaign of Ronald Reagan in 1980. During the campaign Casey was informed that Jimmy Carter was attempting to negotiate a deal with Iran to get the American hostages released. This was disastrous news for the Reagan campaign. If Carter got the hostages out before the election, the public perception of the man might change and he might be elected for a second-term.
According to Barbara Honegger, a researcher and policy analyst with the 1980 Reagan/Bush campaign, William Casey and other representatives of the Reagan presidential campaign made a deal at two sets of meetings in July and August at the Ritz Hotel in Madrid with Iranians to delay the release of Americans held hostage in Iran until after the November 1980 presidential elections. Reagan’s aides promised that they would get a better deal if they waited until Carter was defeated. Once again, the Central Intelligence Agency leaked this information to Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. This attempted deal was also passed to the media. On 11th October, the Washington Post reported rumors of a “secret deal that would see the hostages released in exchange for the American made military spare parts Iran needs to continue its fight against Iraq”.
A couple of days before the election Barry Goldwater was reported as saying that he had information that “two air force C-5 transports were being loaded with spare parts for Iran”. This was not true. However, this publicity had made it impossible for Carter to do a deal. Ronald Reagan on the other hand, had promised the Iranian government that he would arrange for them to get all the arms they needed in exchange for the hostages. According to Mansur Rafizadeh, the former U.S. station chief of SAVAK, the Iranian secret police, CIA agents had persuaded Khomeini not to release the American hostages until Reagan was sworn in. In fact, they were released twenty minutes after his inaugural address. Reagan appointed Casey as director of the Central Intelligence Agency. In this position he was able to arrange the delivery of arms to Iran. These were delivered via Israel. By the end of 1982 all Regan’s promises to Iran had been made. With the deal completed, Iran was free to resort to acts of terrorism against the United States. In 1983, Iranian-backed terrorists blew up 241 marines in the CIA Middle-East headquarters.
The Iranians once again began taking American hostages in exchange for arms shipments. On 16th March, 1984, William Francis Buckley, a diplomat attached to the U.S. Embassy in Beirut was kidnapped by the Hezbollah, a fundamentalist Shiite group with strong links to the Ruhollah Khomeini regime. Buckley was tortured and it was soon discovered that he was the CIA station chief in Beirut.
Buckley had also worked closely with William Casey in the secret negotiations with the Iranians in 1980. Buckley had a lot to tell his captors. He eventually signed a 400 page statement detailing his activities in the CIA. He was also videotaped making this confession. Casey asked Ted Shackley for help in obtaining Buckley’s freedom.
Three weeks after Buckley’s disappearance, President Ronald Reagan signed the National Security Decision Directive 138. This directive was drafted by Oliver North and outlined plans on how to get the American hostages released from Iran and to “neutralize” terrorist threats from countries such as Nicaragua. This new secret counter terrorist task force was to be headed by Shackley’s old friend, General Richard Secord. This was the beginning of the Iran-Contra deal.

And for you Ollie, Two cards from the "Pack of Lies".

The King of Hearts: Lying about lying,Pt.1

In March 1994, North told former President Ronald Reagan he had "never said that you told me to mislead congress." North letter to Reagan 3/18/1994 quoted in the Washington Post 3/18/1994.

Actually, Six weeks earlier,North had said, "The President of the United States sat in a Situation Room meeting and said,"No one's going to reveal what's going on in this thing".North on "Face the Nation" March 1994.

The Queen of Hearts: Imaginary episteles.

When the Iran-Contra scandal broke, North wrote backdated letters that made it look like the security fence surrounding his graet falls,Va home had been paid for with North's own money. Readers Digest 6/93.

Actually, As North himself later acknowledged the fence was paid for by retired Air Force Gen. Richard Secord. Readers Digest 6/93. With North's help, Secord received a profit of more than 1.5 million on the Iranian arms shipments.

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Originally posted by Kegler300:
Did you know John Kerry served in Vietnam?

This should be interesting:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20071116/kerry-swift-boat



BOSTON — Sen. John Kerry, whose 2004 presidential campaign was torpedoed by critics of his Vietnam War record, said Friday he has personally accepted a Texas oilman's offer to pay $1 million to anyone who can disprove even a single charge of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
In a letter to T. Boone Pickens, the Massachusetts Democrat wrote: "While I am prepared to show they lied on allegation after allegation, you have generously offered to pay one million dollars for just one thing that can be proven false. I am prepared to prove the lie beyond any reasonable doubt."
Kerry, a Navy veteran and former prosecutor, said he was willing to present his case directly to Pickens, who provided $3 million to bankroll the group during Kerry's race against President Bush.
Kerry said he would donate any proceeds to the Paralyzed Veterans of America.

The senator said Pickens issued the challenge Nov. 6 in Washington, while serving as chairman of a 40th anniversary gala for American Spectator magazine.
"I trust that you are a man of your word, having made a very public challenge at a major Washington dinner, and look forward to taking you up on this challenge," Kerry wrote.
In the letter, Kerry offered to travel to Dallas to meet with Pickens in a public forum or to invite him to come to Massachusetts. He suggested the two could visit the Paralyzed Veterans of America in Norwood to see firsthand how Pickens' money could be used to help veterans. A copy of the letter was provided to The Associated Press.
"I am certainly open to your challenge," Pickens wrote Friday in a letter faxed to Kerry.
Pickens said he wouldn't consider giving Kerry the reward unless Kerry surrenders copies of his wartime journals, as well as movies he shot while on patrol and his complete military records for 1971 to 1978. Pickens said such documentation, which the group has previously sought, would be needed to disprove its ads.
"When you have done so, if you can then prove anything in the ads was materially untrue, I will gladly award $1 million. As you know, I have been a long and proud supporter of the American military and veterans' causes," he wrote.
Pickens proposed a counterchallenge: "If you cannot prove anything in the Swift Boat ads to be untrue, that you will make a $1 million gift to the charity I am choosing _ the (Congressional) Medal of Honor Foundation."
First in the book "Unfit for Command," and then in a series of television commercials, Kerry's critics challenged the circumstances for his military awards, accused him of doctoring reports and argued he never traveled into Cambodia as claimed.
While fellow veterans and reporters disproved many of the group's claims at the time, Kerry refused to air ads responding to the criticism. His own response was muted for fear of legitimizing his critics' attacks. The senator conceded after losing to Bush that his lackluster response likely cost him the election.
Ever since, Kerry has worked to lay the criticisms to rest.
In May 2005, he began allowing reporters access to his full Navy personnel and medical records _ something he refused to do during the campaign.
Those records mostly duplicated documents Kerry released during the 2004 campaign. In addition, they included numerous commendations from commanders who criticized Kerry's service during the presidential race.
That disclosure renewed questions about why Kerry did not respond more forcefully with control over the White House at stake.
Kerry decided against launching a second bid for president, but vowed to defend his record and prevent other candidates from being "Swift-boated."

Pickens is probably right. Many of us in SEA at the time, heard of the "Kennedy Suck-***" trying to get his ticket punched with Purple's for superficial injuries. He showed his mettle while consorting with Fonda, Hillary, and other protesters during his anti-war protests.

So the Colonel makes money from his knowledge and experience gained from the military and political service? What's new? Better than Clinton being paid for diddling with a staffer, or Carter getting the Nobel for spanking his monkey while allowing the Iranians to begin the mid-east situation we are now in.

The Dimwitted Liberal Rants Continue...

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Originally posted by lww9143:
Pickens is probably right. Many of us in SEA at the time, heard of the "Kennedy Suck-***" trying to get his ticket punched with Purple's for superficial injuries. He showed his mettle while consorting with Fonda, Hillary, and other protesters during his anti-war protests.

So the Colonel makes money from his knowledge and experience gained from the military and political service? What's new? Better than Clinton being paid for diddling with a staffer, or Carter getting the Nobel for spanking his monkey while allowing the Iranians to begin the mid-east situation we are now in.

The Dimwitted Liberal Rants Continue...

<--George Orwell rolls in his grave!http://www.amazon.com/Orwell-Rolls-Grave-Charles-Lewis/dp/B0008237AA/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1195567499&sr=1-1

The Olliebot: Don't let the Facts get in the way of a good 'ol lying diatribe.

T. Boone Pickens should pay the bet (although hes already welched on it)!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth
Truth of allegations
A major part of the SBVT controversy centered on the group's testimony. Among the first to question the first ad was Republican Senator John McCain, a Bush supporter, Vietnam veteran, and former POW. He said, "I condemn the [SBVT] ad. It is dishonest and dishonorable. I think it is very, very wrong".[47] As a naval aviator in Vietnam, McCain had no firsthand knowledge of Kerry's service. The SBVT statements were accompanied by sworn affidavits, although one affiant, Al French, later admitted he had no firsthand knowledge of what he had sworn to.[48]
The first SBVT ad was contradicted by the statements of several other veterans who observed the incidents, by the Navy's official records, and, in some instances, by the contemporaneous statements of SBVT members themselves.
Several major newspapers were also skeptical of the SBVT allegations. For example, a New York Times news article stated, "on close examination, the accounts of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth prove to be riddled with inconsistencies."[49] ABC News's The Note opined, "the Swift Boat ad and their primary charges about Kerry's medals are personal, negative, extremely suspect, or false."[50] Regarding the medal dispute, a Los Angeles Times editorial[51] stated, "Not limited by the conventions of our colleagues in the newsroom, we can say it outright: These charges against John Kerry are false." The editorial argued this position on the basis that "Kerry is backed by almost all those who witnessed the events in question, as well as by documentation." On August 22, 2004 The Washington Post reported: "An investigation by The Washington Post into what happened that day suggests that both sides have withheld information from the public record and provided an incomplete, and sometimes inaccurate, picture of what took place. But although Kerry's accusers have succeeded in raising doubts about his war record, they have failed to come up with sufficient evidence to prove him a liar."[52]
The ABC television show Nightline traveled to Vietnam and interviewed Vietnamese who were involved in the battle for which Kerry was awarded the Silver Star. These witnesses disputed O'Neill's charge that there "was little or no fire" that day; they said that the fighting was fierce.[53] SBVT supporters question whether these witnesses are reliable because they spoke "in the presence of a Communist official",[54] but their account of enemy fire is substantially the same as that previously given by another former VC to an AP reporter[55] and by the American witnesses, including the only SBVT member who was actually present that day, Larry Clayton Lee.[56][57][58][59]
Jerome Corsi has said that a picture of Kerry's 1993 visit to Vietnam hangs in the War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City as a gesture of "honor" by the Communists "for his contribution to their victory over [the] United States",[60][61] and John O'Neill has stated that Kerry "is in the North Vietnamese war museum as a hero. . . . one of the heroes who caused them to win the war in Vietnam".[62] The statement is also repeated in "Unfit for Command" (pp 167-174). However, Josh Gerstein of the New York Sun stated in this regard:

“ While the museum clearly honors opponents of the war from America and other countries, it is not clear that the photo of Mr. Kerry is part of that tribute. The picture of the senator hangs among a set of photos devoted to the restoration of diplomatic relations between America and Vietnam in the 1990s. It was apparently taken as Kerry took part in a delegation President Clinton sent to Hanoi in 1993. Other photos nearby show visits during that period by former American officials who played key roles in the Vietnam War, including a Navy admiral who has since died, Elmo Zumwalt, and a defense secretary, Robert McNamara. A secretary of state during Clinton’s term, Warren Christopher, is also shown meeting Vietnamese officials ”
— Josh Gerstein[63]

In this connection, the webpage Corsi and another anti-Kerry veteran originally published on the Kerry museum photo contained the picture of Robert McNamara's 1995 meeting with General Giap, who was misidentified as Mao Tse Tung.[61](Photo #10).

In addition, John O'Neill said that in 1971 John Kerry "wanted to abandon ship and leave the POWs [in Vietnam]" and that "[o]n the Dick Cavett show and elsewhere, John Kerry‘s position was that we should accept the Madame Binh seven-point proposal, which called for unilateral withdrawal, setting a date after which at some future time, we‘d negotiate the return of the POWs. So we would set a date. We would withdraw and then we would begin to discuss how to bring them home".[64] However, in the Cavett debate, Kerry actually said:

“ Now, if we were to set a date for withdrawal from Southeast Asia, we can – the Vietnamese, first of all, have said it will be settled prior to the arrival of that date, but we can set a time limit on that. If the prisoners of war aren't back prior to the arrival of that date, then I think we would have – for the first time in all of our history in Vietnam we would have a legitimate reason for taking some kind of reaction to it. ”
Early in the advertising campaign, Time magazine surveyed public credence in the SBVT advertisements among those who viewed them. The poll, conducted August 24 through 26, showed that about one-third of viewers believed there was at least "some truth" to the allegations. Among swing voters, about one-fourth felt there was any truth to the ads.[66]

More recently, an early member of the group, Steve Hayes, stated that he came to believe that the group was twisting Kerry's record, and broke with the group and voted for Kerry. Hayes told the New York Times:The mantra was just 'We want to set the record straight,' Mr. Hayes said this month. It became clear to me that it was morphing from an organization to set the record straight into a highly political vendetta. They knew it was not the truth.

Hayes also told the New York Times that he provided a long interview to Kerry's supporters, backing their version of the incident for which Kerry received the Bronze Star.[67]


[edit] Connections with Republicans
SBVT characterized itself as a non-partisan group both in the legal sense and in spirit, yet several prominent individuals who assisted SBVT also have had close ties to the Republican Party. According to information released by the IRS on February 22, 2005, more than half of the group's reported contributions came from just three sources, all prominent Texas Republican donors: Houston builder Bob J. Perry, a longtime supporter of George W. Bush, donated $4.45 million, Harold Simmons' Contrans donated $3 million, and T. Boone Pickens, Jr. donated $2 million. Other major contributors included Bush fundraiser Carl Lindner ($300,000), Robert Lindner ($260,000), GOP contributor Aubrey McClendon ($250,000), George Matthews Jr. ($250,000), and Crow Holdings ($100,000).[68][69][70]

The initial communications consultant for SBVT was Merrie Spaeth, a Reagan administration press officer and a volunteer consultant to Ken Starr in the Clinton impeachment; she was also a spokesperson for "Republicans for Clean Air," an anti-McCain 527 group formed during the 2000 primaries and funded by Bush supporters who also helped fund SBVT.[71][72] John E. O'Neill — the primary author of Unfit for Command and a key player in the formation of SBVT — donated over $14,000 to Republican candidates. He co-operated with the Nixon White House in opposing Kerry in 1971, and seconded Nixon's nomination at the 1972 Republican national convention.[73][74]

Retired Admiral William Schachte, a principal source for the SBVT allegations about Kerry's first Purple Heart, has donated to both of Bush’s presidential campaigns. Schachte was also a lobbyist for FastShip, a firm that recently announced it was receiving $40 million in federal funding for one of its projects. In addition, Schachte's lobbying firm associate, David Norcross, was chairman of the 2004 Republican convention.[75] Chris LaCivita, Political Director of the National Republican Senatorial Committee in 2002,[76] works as a private contractor providing media advice for SBVT.[77]

The SBVT postal address was registered to Susan Arceneaux, treasurer of the Majority Leader's Fund, a PAC closely tied to the former Congressional leader, Republican Dick Armey.[78]

Republican activist Sam Fox's donation of $50,000 to SBVT during the 2004 campaign[79] caused a controversy when Bush nominated him to the position of ambassador to Belgium. Because the Democratic members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee indicated that they would not support his nomination, Bush withdrew the nomination; he appointed Fox to the position on April 4th, 2007, while Congress was in recess.[80][81]

These ties, along with others (see below), led to suggestions in the popular press that SBVT was a front group for Republicans.[82][83][49]


Connections with the Bush campaign
The Bush campaign became part of the general SBVT controversy when McCain condemned the first SBVT ad, and said, "I hope that the president will also condemn it." The Bush campaign did not condemn SBVT or the SBVT ads. The campaign did not endorse the group either, stating "We have not and we will not question Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam."[84] Kerry was dismissive of this statement, saying, "Of course, the President keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that."[85] Kerry also alleged that SBVT was "a front for the Bush campaign. And the fact that the President won’t denounce what they’re up to tells you everything you need to know — he wants them to do his dirty work".[86] When pressed on the issue, President Bush called for an end to all 527 group political advertisements, and challenged Kerry to do the same.[87]

Critics and the Kerry campaign pointed to several specific connections between SBVT and the Bush campaign. The Kerry campaign asserted that Bush campaign headquarters in Florida distributed fliers promoting SBVT events, a charge the Bush campaign denied.[88] Kenneth Cordier, former vice-chair of Veterans for Bush/Cheney (in 2000) and volunteer member of the Bush campaign veterans steering committee, appeared in the second SBVT advertisement. The Bush campaign asked him to resign and stated that it had been unaware of his SBVT involvement.[89]

On August 25, 2004, Benjamin Ginsberg, the top election lawyer to the Bush campaign on campaign finance law, also resigned after it was learned that SBVT was one of his clients. Ginsberg stated that he was withdrawing to avoid being a distraction to the campaign. He declared that he had acted "in a manner that is fully appropriate and legal,"[77] arguing that it was not uncommon or illegal for lawyers to represent campaigns or political parties while also representing 527 groups. He also maintained that he did not disclose to the Bush campaign that he was simultaneously representing the SBVT group. After leaving the Bush campaign, Ginsberg retained his status as counsel to SBVT.

In January 2005, Governor Jeb Bush, the President's brother and Florida chairman for his 2004 campaign,[90] sent a letter to SBVT member and former POW Bud Day, thanking him for his "personal support of my brother in his re-election." In addition, Governor Bush said of the SBVT:

"As someone who truly understands the risk of standing up for something, I simply cannot express in words how much I value their willingness to stand up against John Kerry."
Fear and smear from the Party that trashes Decorated Veterans

Blather.
So a bunch of people that disbelieved Kerry contributed money to the Bush Campaign? Should they have donated an equal amount to Kerry?

BZ to the SBVT for exposing this fake. He's an opportunistic Kennedy wanna-be that was/is coached and tutored by Ted Kennedy in fecklessness and self aggrandizing.
But continue your diligent search for any Democratic minutae that supports your emotions, while keeping the blinders on for anything that doesn't.

[quote]Blather.
So a bunch of people that disbelieved Kerry contributed money to the Bush Campaign? Should they have donated an equal amount to Kerry?[/quote]<---No, they should not have lied about John Kerry's service in Vietnam!

But continue your diligent search for any Democratic minutae that supports your emotions, while keeping the blinders on for anything that doesn't.<--I'm the one wearing the blinders? Yeah right.

tubeboob -- You've done your homework. Good job!

Doug

amen linedoggie! they need to rename this thread WE HATE OLLIE! that way if i want to post a positive comment on the good col's articles i can, without all the bs most of these guys spout out of thier pieholes!

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Originally posted by rockriver04:
Most telling that the focus is on Casey's earlier career--a shining moment---if it indeed occurred as it has been alleged, because it leaves out Casey's traitorous conduct. The glaring failure and unflattering unraveling of a public servant, out to carry his one last hurrah of revisting his self-styled glory days, for Casey elected to serve the President rather than the law...the Constitution he swore to defend he could care less, for he broke many laws to carry out his Nut Job agenda---all facilitated by his gap-toothed sycophant, Nutty North.