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I just got out of bootcamp (charlie co. March 10) and all throughout bootcamp my j hat talked about how we are the downfall of the Marine corps and how the marine corps is destroying itself from the inside out.
Recently I read an article in scientific american mind that talked about how we perform in relation to what people around us expect of us. The study proved that people perform worse when people around them stereotype them as being unsatisfactory in whatever area they were being evaluated in. Asian Females for instance performed better in math when they thought of themselves as Asians (only because asians are stereotyped as being better at math) However when the same type of Asian females were evaluated as females instead of Asians they performed significantly worse. Throughout bootcamp and still I wonder if the same thing is going on here in the marine corps. I'ts definatly possible that Marines are convinved that new marines are garbage and often times new marines act like garbage is because that is what is expected of them by their superiors. I understand that the Marine Corps is in no way "soft" and sometimes the best way to get a marine to correct him or herself is to bring them aside and "motivate" them to do the right thing by means of a loud voice and a strong arm. but I dont think its nessacary to continuously stereotype new marines as garbage. The problem would be fixed if instead of expecting garbage from new marines we expected better than what was expected of us. |
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I was Charlie Company too. Plt. 1082 Aug. 31 2001. Well said brother. I consider myself new school even though I was pre-9/11. We are your brothers and don't consider you "garbage." We're a hell of alot brighter than Mike and his dumb brute cronies.
Chris |
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also.... i am a weiner who shouldnt be posting this garbage during the duty day.
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Old Corps (before my time) – rough out boots that your had to shave with a razor before you bottle polished them; herringbone utilities; chevrons that were embroidered onto the shirt; pith helmets for gate duty in tropical climates; Gen Victor “Brute” Krulak; China; Philippines; Caribbean floats.
Old Corps (me) – jungle boots; tropical uniforms; port and starboard liberty; liberty cards; M-14s and BARs (just phasing out); punishment formations where they would stand the offender in front of the company formation, read the charges, the findings and the punishment and then lead him away (stopped in 197-71); bars in the Staff NCO Club and Officers’ Closed Mess opened promptly at 1100 and stayed open all afternoon; Gen Charles Krulak; Vietnam; Philippines; Med floats. New Corps – Still Marines, still getting it done. |
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HAHA you got caught posting didnt you boy. |
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"Leader of Marines, Killer of Communists, Distributor of Death and Destruction, Etc,." |
Reminds me of me! I gave out a few pistol-grip-necks a time or two, back when. Once, the Major came around the corner while I was performing this paticular style of instruction, he did a quick about face and later that day he asked how the day was going? Just told him "No problems, the "Situation was well in hand". Now days, I hear they send ya to anger management classes. "Geeze"! |
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Alot of the younger generation of grunts that I include myself in feel the Marine Corps is getting weaker mentality-wise.
A Marine's mentality is what has made us a breed apart, it's what seperates us from the Army, it's what makes us attack or patrol those extra couple street blocks. It's pathetic what I see. Everyone is scared of getting charged for hazing, everyone is watching their backs, can't do this, can't do that. Our leaders can't beat the **** out of anyone, and they'd rather not do paperwork to avoid skylining the plt or company. It's ridiculous and I can go all day. I think the Marine Corps mentally is alot weaker today than my brothers were in the past. On the flip side, from what I can tell...our training is lightyears ahead of pre-war training ops. I think nowadays were expected to know alot more, and perform more duties than our brothers in the past. |
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"Leader of Marines, Killer of Communists, Distributor of Death and Destruction, Etc,." |
It's because of our past, that your training is light years ahead. Now its your turn to continue the fight. "Semper Fi, Devildog"!!! |
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MODERATOR, MARINE FORUMS I'm innocent! I'm the John Boy.......  |
LMFAO!!!!!!!  If you're gonna shoot, shoot! Don't Talk. |
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 Ain't that the truth. Sheesh. |
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Old School: Turkey peeking around corners on Friday (after the safety brief) at the barracks to make sure the OOD didn't catch you to be the Duty NCO... If he does, you shimmy down a drain pipe and run like hell to the tree line. If he doesn't, drive to the closest bar out of the gate and have a few drinks. Drive to the closest tattoo joint - get tattoo. Drive back to bar to get ****-faced. Get ****-faced and get in a fight at bar. Drink more beer with the guy (most likely another Marine) you just got in a fight with. Chase skirt until you get lucky. Arrive back at barracks sloppy drunk. DNCO carries you to your room.
New School: Get drunk - get NJP'd Get a tattoo - get NJP'd Get in fight - get NJP'd Get lucky - get NJP'd for sexual harassment Get rowdy at barracks - get NJP'd |
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Old School:
Soaking our brass buckles and belt tips in ammonia before polishing them w/Brasso or Dura-Glit...or both. Spit-shining our Garrison cover frame and chin strap...no artifical 'shine...no Corfams. Em-Nu! Iron-on emblems for our green utility covers and M65 "Sateens". White and Black ink name stamps. Collar stays... "French-puzzy' scarves. Starched tropicals...damn "peanut butters". M-14s C-rats "Swoop Circles" Liberty Cards and 'Libbo Maps" showing 'the limits' for Overnighters, thru 96-hour libbo, posted at the Duty NCO Hut. Open Squad Bays for Lance Coolies and below. 8-man cubicles...4 bunks w/2 lockers per (1 for civvies, 1 for uniforms), footlocker for 782 gear. One man or two men rooms for Sergeants. Loading Ordnance on F4B/J Phantoms or A6A/E Intruders either by a S.A.T.S. Loader, or the 'old fashioned way' (hernia bars). Aviation Ordnance School was at N.A.T.T.C., NAS JaxFla 18 1/2 weeks) S.A.T.S. (Short Airfield Tactical Support)School was at MCAS CPNC. Bogue Field |
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"Leader of Marines, Killer of Communists, Distributor of Death and Destruction, Etc,." |
WOW, does that ever take me back! Probably have nightmares for a week. Thanks! |
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Yer welcome, Top.
Remember hand-starching our covers? 1" paint brush, 'pink' bottles of liquid starch, and the adjustable aluminum cover block, clothes pins...in the absence of the 'block', an empty 3# #10 can would suffice. If done right...a nice, resounding 'thump'... Only drawback...sweat or rain...hell...just getting wet...  |
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"Bowlers have BIG balls!"  |
I'm definitely old school...thanks for the memories.
  "The World's Finest" |
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"Leader of Marines, Killer of Communists, Distributor of Death and Destruction, Etc,." |
AHHHH!!! Cut it out your killin me here! I only got 4hrs sleep, and that was with the lights on! |
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Old School--Pu$$ies
New School--Pu$$ies. Give me one Ghurka and some C4 and i'll end warfare for good. We'll all retire in Costa Rica. Chris |
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