I am trying to help out an overweight Marine. I believe this Marine's NCOs have failed him.
For confidentiality reasons we will call him PVT Smith. This Marine is facing getting kicked out of the
Marine Corp because he is over weight. He will not collect his GI bill if he gets kicked out. Now, what
I am going to try and do is work out / PT with him 6 days a week. If the CO still wants him kicked out
I want to do my best to make sure he gets his GI bill. Currently he has an ankle/foot that has been bothering him
for a while. It occasionally swells up and makes it hard for him to run his full potential on PFTs. He tells
me his knee ankle/foot gets numb all the time. He has went to medical a few times and they really did not do
anything. He has not had this ankle/foot problem before he joined the Marine Corps. When he first went to
this base he had a mean 1st class PFT. However he still was on mandatory pt for his body fat percent around 2% of the max. I believe
with hard training and nutrition education I can help him change that. I am not in charge of him but I know
he is a good Marine and I am not going to sit around and watch him get kicked out. We are both in the air wing and shop
PT is pretty much a myth. He does have "unless medical ripped it out" documents saying he had ankle pains in the past while in the Marine Corps.
I got 950 things to say but I can't really get it out.
Here are just some questions I have, I really don't know who to ask.
1) Lets say 2 months from now no matter how hard I try training PVT Smith the CO still wants to kick him out.
What would you recommend he does to make sure he gets a medical discharge "for his GI BILL"? What should he do know?
2) Does PVT Smith have the right to see civilian doctors? Do you have any references "I need to print it out, I have heard
the medical staff is all about screwing people over"?
3) Since PVT Smith is single can he enroll in an upgraded TRICARE health insurance plan so he can go to
outside civilian doctors "instead of military doctors" and get professional results? Do you know what steps he would have to take.
4) What steps would be needed for PVT Smith to get a medical discharge? What does he have to do to apply for one?
5) Can PVT Smith fight administration separation if the papers are shoved in his face? What rights does he have? What can he do other then PT with me to fight getting kicked out the Marine Corps.
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I am not trying to scam the system but the fact of the matter I can't watch a hard working Marine gets kicked out without any benefits. I am confident if he had any good NCOs he would not have been on Mando and he still would have a 1st class PFT.
Here is a little story
A little over a year ago myself "at the time just picked up CPL" was fapped out to a different unit doing a different job
I had zero training for. Kind of one of those learn as you go deals. It was a very shitty job, hated it with a passion but
still willing to learn about it. PVT Smith at the time PFC Smith "could have been a lcpl but non recommended for being
overweight" was also fapped out. It was suppose to be 2 months then a work up "on a ship" half a month in the then 7.5
months at sea. For the two months in the us and the work out PVT Smith did nothing but work his *** off. Did not do any *****ing. This was a different unit. the job royally sucked but he was happy. He liked the people he worked for, no one gave him **** for being over weight. The SNCOS and officers wanted him promoted. Every thing was great. I planned to work out with him every day for the long 7.5 month cruise. Then after the workup they put him back in his current unit for being overweight. That made little sense to me. He could have sweet his *** of working on the flight deck in the Persian gulf and crying in the weight room and on the tread mill for seven and a half months. but instead his work center wanted to screw him and he went back to work in the air conditioning back in the US. So I kind of want to help him out like I said I would.
When I worked with him I saw alot of motivation. Now I talked to him he seems down all the time and tells me he is depressed. I don't think it has reached the point of him wanting to shoot himself however I can see his stress level is building up. What would you do to help this Marine out? I don't really have the most knowledgeable peers to ask.
thanks, marco

I would def suggest physical training every day and let the command know your doing it, let them see you doing it. Second if that fails have him go to a base adjutants office to seek counsel would be my best suggestion. I'm sure others will respond with some good advice also.If your command sees him making effort and shows improvement while he is still seeking answers for his injury they may give him more time but i dont like to make assumptions of something that may not happen because im not there to see it for myself

Maybe the fatass ought to go to the gym more often.

The fatass signed a contract saying he would stay within the regs, he is not living up to his end of the contract. Therefore if he gets kicked out he should not be eligible for his GI Bill.

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Originally posted by MKlopf:
Maybe the fatass ought to go to the gym more often.

The fatass signed a contract saying he would stay within the regs, he is not living up to his end of the contract. Therefore if he gets kicked out he should not be eligible for his GI Bill.

I agree

MKLopf I am glad you wrote that. What is your MOS. I am not trying to talk sh** about your job but in aviation their are many days where the shifts are 12 on 12 off many times during the entire year. Their is NO SHOP PT. Their is not many good NCO and Leaders in this unit. Pt is not encouraged. I don't know how many times I have been told by CPLs when I was a PFC to come drink beer with them and don't go to the gym. This is not infantry where we pt for 1-2 hours take a mortor class and go home "until you guys get stuck in the field". This is like working for a very fu**ed up civilian job with little pay. I think after 2 years of putting up with the BS he gets working as hard as he does he more then rates a GI bill. In aviation its all about doing your part so the pilots can fly their jets to get their hours logged and their training in. The air wing pretty much revolves around the pilots flying. Every time they fly 20 things brake on these aircrafts and it all gets send to different shops to get fixed. I don't think the rest of the Marine Corps understands about the lack of PT in aviation. The more we PT at work "been in over 3 years pt at worked around 6 times total" the less gear gets sent out. the less plains get fixed. when that happens it cases a ripple effect that ends up making up work through Friday until 2 am on a Saturday. you are wasted. your body had little energy. You have to have motivation to PT after work here. His shop looks down upon him. the leadership just sucks. When i went to corporals course, it made me realize i had a whole bunch of bad leaders. In fact this unit has a large amount of bad leaders. I can Garnette I can if you take 10 0311s pfcs and lcpls, split them up, and make them work in different shops in my unit. 8/10 will have a rapidly dropped pt score. the other 2 are probably worked out at the gym after they pt with their unit. MKLOPF you are completly forgetting the recruiter. My recruited said nothing at all about any one getting kicked out for being out of shape. In fact he advertised that the Marine Corps gets people in shape and they stay in shape. I remember looking at the photos of the group of marine running with a guidon in the air. then i came here. I am like wtf happened? I still work out at the gym but for the people who wanted to change their lifestyle around and get in shape. they are pretty much f**ked. Don't get me wrong but their still people who started going to the gym but theirs a majority who have not. If you don't know how to train you will just walk around the gym go on a machine and leave because you don't know what the hell you are doing. I have scene it. I have never refused to give advise on training. I took a skinny marine in two months "with the help of protein and vitamins" he gained 20 pounds. If I can help 1 or 2 people at a time why can't other ncos and other marines do the same?

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but i dont like to make assumptions of something that may not happen because im not there to see it for myself

I am just trying to be more knowledgeable about all the possibilities. I kind of want facts on different areas because this may not be the last time something like this can happen. it could happen to one of my marines with a different scenario. 2 years ago i knew a marine "currently in Iraq" that worked so hard for me he got a hernia. the doctors found it then later they magically said it disappeared. I still saw the paint in his face when he lifted heavy objects. I don't want to let things like that slip away from me again.

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MKlopf

i must admit your post was very funny

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Originally posted by 16413526:
MKLopf I am glad you wrote that. What is your MOS. I am not trying to talk sh** about your job but in aviation their are many days where the shifts are 12 on 12 off many times during the entire year. Their is NO SHOP PT. Their is not many good NCO and Leaders in this unit. Pt is not encouraged. I don't know how many times I have been told by CPLs when I was a PFC to come drink beer with them and don't go to the gym. This is not infantry where we pt for 1-2 hours take a mortor class and go home "until you guys get stuck in the field". This is like working for a very fu**ed up civilian job with little pay. I think after 2 years of putting up with the BS he gets working as hard as he does he more then rates a GI bill. In aviation its all about doing your part so the pilots can fly their jets to get their hours logged and their training in. The air wing pretty much revolves around the pilots flying. Every time they fly 20 things brake on these aircrafts and it all gets send to different shops to get fixed. I don't think the rest of the Marine Corps understands about the lack of PT in aviation. The more we PT at work "been in over 3 years pt at worked around 6 times total" the less gear gets sent out. the less plains get fixed. when that happens it cases a ripple effect that ends up making up work through Friday until 2 am on a Saturday. you are wasted. your body had little energy. You have to have motivation to PT after work here. His shop looks down upon him. the leadership just sucks. When i went to corporals course, it made me realize i had a whole bunch of bad leaders. In fact this unit has a large amount of bad leaders. I can Garnette I can if you take 10 0311s pfcs and lcpls, split them up, and make them work in different shops in my unit. 8/10 will have a rapidly dropped pt score. the other 2 are probably worked out at the gym after they pt with their unit.

Wow, 1st off please break your posts up into readable paragraphs.

What does anything you posted above have to do with not being a fatass?

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Originally posted by 16413526:
MKLOPF you are completly forgetting the recruiter. My recruited said nothing at all about any one getting kicked out for being out of shape.

My recruiter said nothing about getting an NJP for having a check returned as NSF, but it still happened to me.

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Originally posted by 16413526:
In fact he advertised that the Marine Corps gets people in shape and they stay in shape. I remember looking at the photos of the group of marine running with a guidon in the air. then i came here. I am like wtf happened? I still work out at the gym but for the people who wanted to change their lifestyle around and get in shape. they are pretty much f**ked. Don't get me wrong but their still people who started going to the gym but theirs a majority who have not. If you don't know how to train you will just walk around the gym go on a machine and leave because you don't know what the hell you are doing. I have scene it. I have never refused to give advise on training. I took a skinny marine in two months "with the help of protein and vitamins" he gained 20 pounds. If I can help 1 or 2 people at a time why can't other ncos and other marines do the same?

Listen, I think it's great you are willing to help this kid, but hey he's an adult and responsible for his own actions or lack of.

If he's getting ready to get kicked out for being a fatass, then that means he's been counceled over and over about his weight and has chosen not to adhere to the standards of the Marine Corps. I have no pitty for him.

I wore the red stripes in boot camp and was in PCP for a week because I couldnt do pull ups. I got dropped from one plt and sent to PCP, I took one look at the sorry *** loosers there and decided I wasnt going to be one of them.

I worked my *** off in that week and and was picked up by another plt after 1 week.

My whole time in I battled weight problems. I had to do extra to stay in shape, still do to this day, So I haver no sympathy for this kid. He knows what he has to do and chooses not to do it.

Hell, all he has to do is situps and thats it and hell get his boody fat down.

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he more we PT at work "been in over 3 years pt at worked around 6 times total" the less gear gets sent out. the less plains get fixed. when that happens it cases a ripple effect that ends up making up work through Friday until 2 am on a Saturday. you are wasted. your body had little energy. You have to have motivation to PT after work here

suck it up cupcake, work 12 hours a day that's 84 hours a week say you sleep 8 hours a night thats another 56 for a grand total of 28 hours to hit the gym in the week

and I say again you english teacher should have smacked the crap out of you

It Planes Dumbazz not Plains

Hey hardcharger - here's a hint: the quickest way to drop weight is to control what goes in the mouth, not working out.

He can work out all he wants, but unless eating habits are changed it won't do any good. Try oatmeal or cereal/skim milk for breakfast, a chef salad for lunch, and a bowl of soup for dinner (or reverse lunch and dinner menu). Lots and lots of water.

Unless Medical does the medical discharge, it ain't happening.

If he gets a "general under honorable" discharge (as do most weight control failures), he'll still be entitled to most of his benefits.

Otherwise, the entire Marine Corps works long hours. Yes, the Wing works a lot - but so do many other folks. I'm retired, and I still put in 11-14 hours a day, and the Marines in my shop are frequently there longer. I usually am in the office at 0600, leave at 1730 or later. Eat some dinner, and hit the gym 4 - 6 nights a week. No one has to go with me, I do it on my own.

Advice - learn to spell a little bit better, and to break your written communications into paragraphs. It's an important skill for a leader to develop.

Lastly, ask yourself - is this Marine a "Good Marine" who you are trying to save? Just because someone may be a good person, or a friend, or a good man....doesn't make them a good Marine. Does he have potential to develop into a strong leader, who'll help keep the Marine Corps strong? Or, is he better off as a civilian? Can you see this Marine wearing sergeant stripes? If not, perhaps he may be better served by you helping him work up his resume, and help him transition to civilian life.

Again...just because someone's a good person, doesn't make them a good Marine.

Sorry, I don't remember very many lardbutts in the Wing when I was in...we took the same PFT as everyone else...although we didn't PT as much as the grunts, we had opportunities to work out on our own time....
this (what I bothered to read) is just a bunch of excuses...

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Originally posted by 16413526:
I am trying to help out an overweight Marine. I believe this Marine's NCOs have failed him.
For confidentiality reasons we will call him PVT Smith. This Marine is facing getting kicked out of the
Marine Corp because he is over weight. Now, what
I am going to try and do is work out / PT with him 6 days a week.

Ok, first off, who are you? Your profile page says nothing. Is this Marine on the BCP?? If so, he has no excuse if this program is being run correctly, which I would imagine it is. I have more to say, especially since I did the BCP in S-3 when I got out 2 years ago, but am waiting your response.

Get him a Wii Guitar Hero. Maybe he'll get some PT then.

Simple. Eat less, move around more. Or, try the Wii Guitar Hero thing BMG suggested.

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Originally posted by 16413526:
I am trying to help out an overweight Marine. I believe this Marine's NCOs have failed him.

SO its all the NCO's fault and no responsibility of the Marine himself for letting himself go.....

just a thought.....

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Originally posted by GunnyBrown1775:

SO its all the NCO's fault and no responsibility of the Marine himself for letting himself go.....

just a thought.....

Never heard anything like that before, huh?

Holy shiite GunnyBrown. I thought you were dead

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Originally posted by BMGILLEY:
Holy shiite GunnyBrown. I thought you were dead

SOB is dead. Farker don't write, call, e-mail, or pass the love around anymore.

Hope this finds you well Dave.

Semper Fi

Johnny Blaze

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Originally posted by GyJDIrwin:

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Originally posted by BMGILLEY:
Holy shiite GunnyBrown. I thought you were dead

SOB is dead. Farker don't write, call, e-mail, or pass the love around anymore.

Hope this finds you well Dave.

Semper Fi

Johnny Blaze

All is well.....and I have nude pics of your girlfriend if you need some....

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Being a Winger and one who had to watch their weight while I came down to a responsibility that I had to except to take on. It made me so mad that we had a 300 PTF'er in my squadron who could go out drunk every night and run a sub 18 minute 3 mile time after time. However, if I did not spend a few hours a week working out I know that the SgtMjr would be making me do it. Yes the hours can be ruff in the Wing, flight hours come 1st. Any yes your tired and don't want to work out but it has to be done and it's up to you to do it.