My aim is not to put down your contribution to the world but to look at it objectively. If you see the Germain contribution to foreign aid organisations per capita it is about 1/3 larger than that of the US....
So you resort to the argument that size doesn't matter? It's girth over length? C'mon 1/3 of squat is still 1/3 of squat. By the way how much of your so called German contribution is a direct result of moneys bled off of US foreign investment and Military aid? No matter just as in all things, you're nations contribution to the world leave it unsatisfied and wanting more.
No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney
If you read the entire piece on the link that was provided Sustainable Development aka WORLDBANKyou will find at the bottom some interesting admissions concerning the US and actual money given as charity to the world. What it comes down to is the source of the donations and who controls the source. In order for the UN and other socialist groups to control contribution amounts they must first control the source. If it is from private charity they have no way of controlling it. However if they are able to dictate to the US government the amounts that should be contributed then they have direct access to your and my wallet. Nuff said.
No matter how thin you slice it, it's still balony
My aim is not to put down your contribution to the world but to look at it objectively. _If you see the Germain contribution to foreign aid organisations per capita it is about 1/3 larger than that of the US_....
So you resort to the argument that size doesn't matter? It's girth over length? C'mon 1/3 of squat is still 1/3 of squat. By the way how much of your so called German contribution is a direct result of moneys bled off of US foreign investment and Military aid? No matter just as in all things, you're nations contribution to the world leave it unsatisfied and wanting more.
_No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney_
If you read the entire piece on the link that was provided http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.aspyou will find at the bottom some interesting admissions concerning the US and actual money given as charity to the world. What it comes down to is the source of the donations and who controls the source. In order for the UN and other socialist groups to control contribution amounts they must first control the source. If it is from private charity they have no way of controlling it. However if they are able to dictate to the US government the amounts that should be contributed then they have direct access to your and my wallet. Nuff said.
_No matter how thin you slice it, it's still balony_
pah.. you are escaping Fact is your rich country is not willing to share its wealth. No matter how you put it!
quote:Originally posted by 1aSchnitzel: "when it comes to foreign aid, your 1/3 per capita extra doesnt do as much for planet earth as 1/10 of our foreign aid, while we are out building nations you are out buying bikes for vietnamese kids."
lol, yeah? Realy? _Ignasi Carreras writes in El Pais (Spain) that the EU contributes 55 percent of total aid to world development. As for the degree of contribution by the different member states, there is great disparity - four of them contributing over 0.7 percent of GDP, while others, such as Spain at 0.22 percent, or Greece and Italy at even less, bring up the rear. _
More to come
_USA's aid, in terms of percentage of their GNP is already lowest of any industrialized nation in the world, though paradoxically in the last two years, their dollar amount has been the highest.
Most of the United States' increase in 2001 was due to a $600 million disbursement to Pakistan for economic support in the September 11 aftermath.
Commenting on the latest US pledge, Julian Borger and Charlotte Denny of the Guardian (UK) say Washington is desperate to deflect attention in Monterrey from the size of its aid budget. But for more generous donors, says the story, Washington's conversion to the cause of effective aid spending is hard to swallow. Among the big donors, the US has the worst record for spending its aid budget on itself - 70 percent of its aid is spent on US goods and services. And more than half is spent in middle income countries in the Middle East. Only $3bn a year goes to South Asia and sub-Saharan Africa. _
SEE WORLDBANK GROUP
And dont even start to talk about the UN. Funny enough the US is the country wiht the largest depth (also in %relation to their contribution)
have a look at the chart at the bottom of this HIGLY RELIABLE source. And you will be embarassed. Mr. "america is the charity of this world".
Nice of you to point out the evil practices of the U.S., but it would behoove you to read further in globalissues.org. In the U.S., annual private (non-governmental) donations to international aid organizations amount to 3x's that of government aid. The citizens of this country are the most generous in the world! And if you care to read even further, you will also learn that the EU has, as well as the U.S., some pretty unsavory terms for giving that aid. Yes, it was a very enlightening read. Here's an example: The EU sells sugar for about 3x's the international average, because of high production costs. However, through subsidies, the EU sells that same sugar to the Middle East for a fraction of its selling price at home. What does this do? It under-cuts other sugar producing countries, the same ones that receive aid, so that they can't compete with the Europeans. At the same time, these countries receiving aid are told that they cannot subsidize their agricultural exports. Real fair, huh?
[This message was edited by Lucy44 on Monday, 06 October 2003 at 14:46.]
Sigh...In the evidence you provided is the sword which you fell upon. Did YOU actually bother to read the entire piece or were you so enamored by the initial criticism of the US GOVERNMENT that you were unable to put the information into context? Your entire premise is built on quicksand. Go back and read the piece and then get back to me when you can refute the fact that the US alone gives more to foreign aid than any other nation on the face of this planet. Admit it, you have issues as to where the money comes from. Well, just so you understand the role of MY government read the "Preamble" to the Constitution of the United States. It is fairly self explanatory. I have enclosed a link for you in the event that you are unfamiliar with it and would like to research it more in depth.
twice as much as any other country? wrong 1/4 more than japan and compared to your GNP it is the lowest on this globe! Telling me that the entire country counts and not the contribution of each one of you is pretty communistic! you didnt notice..
The rest of your references just distract from the real fact: your contribution in real figures is a yoke! But in throwing bombs you are world-champions..
quote:Originally posted by 1aSchnitzel: twice as much as any other country? wrong 1/4 more than japan and compared to your GNP it is the lowest on this globe! Telling me that the entire country counts and not the contribution of each one of you is pretty communistic! you didnt notice..
The rest of your references just distract from the real fact: your contribution in real figures is a yoke! But in throwing bombs you are world-champions..
If private contributions amount to 3x's GDP based contributions, what does it all add up to? Damn near 1% of the GDP! That is not a small amount, by any standard. So get off your high horse and find something else to complain about.
The rest of your references just distract from the real fact: your contribution in real figures is a yoke! But in throwing bombs you are world-champions..
Schnitz....Seems to me that the only bombs being thrown at the moment are coming from your general direction and frankly you need to work on your aim. You still have not addressed the fact that the US gives more money than any other nation. C'mon ol' fella, either deal with it or move on and collect your bread/liquor ration and weekly stipend. I know it must really suck seeing what you thought was a really great slam against American capatilism go dowm in flames like the Hindenburg. You will get over it...
No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney
quote:C'mon ol' fella, either deal with it or move on and collect your bread/liquor ration and weekly stipend.
sORRY, you just dont know who you are talking to. Talking about capitalism? You are so proud of it but my family harvests its fruits (since more than a century). But in europe, in contrast to the US, We know how to deal with money. It is not a reason to turn arrogant, neither to feel superior nor ignorant. Maybe that is the difference between me an you. And dont even try to compare our financial backgrounds. YOu would fail! Stop that cheap discussion and back to the topic. Funny enough none of you used one of the strongest arguments why the US is a large contributor of aid to underdeveloped countries. It is called "depth relaease" where the US is very strong indeed. The deficiency of your knowledge is a clear indicator that most of you just assume that you are the greatest in everything. Time to wake up!
Schnitz, you came here to this thread and called someones statement propoganda yet when I directly challenged you to back up your own nonsense with facts you were unable to do it. I used your very own information to castrate your argument and look who resorts to making blanket statements. You are like a toy mouse to a cat. You're fun for a few hours but eventually you become boring and end up under the sofa gathering dust. I will ask you one last time to put up or shut up. The United States is the greatest nation on the face of the earth PAST PRESENT FUTURE.
No matter how thin you slice it, it' still baloney
Shnitzie- I'm sorry I don't have time to study global charity dispresion charts, my life is quite full and frankly I don't think we should give what we do.
So you say the US is strong in other areas... So what is your beef? Because we don't give everything we have to make the world a better place? Often when we give it's in blood, sweat and tears... what could you offer greater than that?
Yea... we gave to your Fatherland too... For decades... and where did that get us? Exactly.
quote:Originally posted by 11B3VB4: Shnitzie- I'm sorry I don't have time to study global charity dispresion charts, my life is quite full and frankly I don't think we should give what we do.
So you say the US is strong in other areas... So what is your beef? Because we don't give everything we have to make the world a better place? Often when we give it's in blood, sweat and tears... what could you offer greater than that?
Yea... we gave to your Fatherland too... For decades... and where did that get us? Exactly.
What that gave you? well it gave you a cold war instead of a hot one. It prevented more wars like the one you had in Vietnam and the Pigsbay conflict. Trust me..without the enforcement of Germany against the pushing east there might be no more land on this planet that you could cultivate without harvesting only radioactive fruits. It wasnt only for germany the US did it!
On the other hand it must be said that the americans were fair and friendly occupiers, no doubt about that!
Oh and Mr. Swo... nice provokation... But I have enough success in life so little kindergarden stuff like your posting doesnt realy shake me!
quote:Originally posted by 1aSchnitzel: What that gave you? well it gave you a cold war instead of a hot one.
Just think. If we hadn't occupied Germany for half a century, they would have started another war in which we would have had to kick their rear again...
And now that we are gone, they will probably try to start another one within the next two decades...
