we all know the greatest empires all end up in the scrap yard , usually by defeat from a foreign power, inevitably the USA will fulfill the same cycles the other model nations have fallen into. What country do you all think will defeat the USA?, do you think it will be militarily? or do you think we will crumble from within?
Well I've thought about this a couple of time myself, and i've always answered it with this. The U.S. first off isn't an empire. If anything the U.S. will never be destroyed. It's ideas are to strong for that. The Roman empire wasn't built apon the same beliefs, neither was Alexanders, or even the more recent Spanish and British empires. The system is for the people, not the other way around so the dream will always endure. If anything, the only reason the U.S. will ever loose it's anonyminity is if it joins into a greater nation. Such as if the world unifies. Though in the last 10,000 years or so of civilization, how many times has that happened? None to my recollection. I don't think the U.S. will ever fall under somebodies boots, and I don't see it being integrated into a larger better system anytime soon, so we're here to stay.
Good point DJONES!! I agree. I think the good ole US of A will be here till the Lord comes back.
One of the reasons we are the greatest nation on the face of the earth is that during our history we have shared our God given blessings with others.
A second reason is that we are a melting pot of differing cultures, or put another way, we have a multicultural diversity as a nation. This means that as Americans of different cultures we think in different ways and bring a whole multitude of solutions to our problems to the table. Other nations envy that.
It is a legitimate question, one I have often thought about as well. I had thought that if that day came, we would bring about our own demise. The Lord knows there are many "citizens" in our country that are actively seeking to bring her down. But I firmly believe that the majority of Americans will prevent this. We are diversified, but pull together as one when tragedy happens. I am 50 years old but cannot ever remember a time that was more patriotic and unified than after 9-11. Our "leaders" are back to fighting and scratching each other but that is the American way. It doesn't mean that we won't come together again in unity if the need arises.
Rome lasted for what, 900 years? She fell from within. She rotted from within her soul. Let's pray that we never do that.
Why is that? I think the U.S has contributed lots of aid and help to other people or countries around the world. I am not going to go in a whole thing about it, cause i don't have the time, but I know that from an AMOUNT standpoint (NOT percentage of GNP) we as Americans contribute the most in foreign aid. I mean how many other countries has the Peace Corp.? Probable not too much. I am not saying we a perfect but hell we are not despots either.
Oh and as to who will ultimately defeat the U.S.A.? Machines, they will rise up and overthrow us.
So watch that toaster oven carefully. It is thinking...no scheming.
THe USA differs alot from any other country in that it is very flexable. The constitution (excuse the spelling) can be changed and altered via ammedments. Right now, and some time into the future, the USA has the strength and mobility to dispell any potential enemy, speaking from a military stand point. Also, I assume you mean who will topple the goverment of the USA or invade and take land, because in today's world simple holding your own ground against the USA is considered a victory for you and a defeat for us.
I don't think there will be a military defeat. More than likely our economy will collapse (which will affect the entire world)and some other nation will step up to fill the power vacuumn.
Why is that? I think the U.S has contributed lots of aid and help to other people or countries around the world. I am not going to go in a whole thing about it, cause i don't have the time, but I know that from an AMOUNT standpoint (NOT percentage of GNP) we as Americans contribute the most in foreign aid. I mean how many other countries has the Peace Corp.? Probable not too much. I am not saying we a perfect but hell we are not despots either.
Oh and as to who will ultimately defeat the U.S.A.? Machines, they will rise up and overthrow us.
So watch that toaster oven carefully. It is thinking...no scheming.
My aim is not to put down your contribution to the world but to look at it objectively. If you see the Germain contribution to foreign aid organisations per capita it is about 1/3 larger than that of the US.
Me too, I dont want to waste time counterarguing..but I wish would see that your nation is not always perceived as you see it. The Kyoto treaty, Nikes child-labour factories in Cambodjia, Agent Orange in Vietnam, the support of the Taliban agains the russians. Surely there are many positive deeds to be mentioned too. But stop glorifying..it sounds cheesy and naive!
quote:Originally posted by 1aSchnitzel: My aim is not to put down your contribution to the world but to look at it objectively. If you see the Germain contribution to foreign aid organisations per capita it is about 1/3 larger than that of the US.
What the heck does "aid per capita" have to do with it? A whole lot of excuse with little to show, perhaps? I'm sure those at the receiving end spend a lot of time wondering if Germans contribution is really 1/3 more than Americans, or if Americans give more as a group. In aid terms, "the more the merrier".
quote:Me too, I dont want to waste time counterarguing..but I wish would see that your nation is not always perceived as you see it. The Kyoto treaty, Nikes child-labour factories in Cambodjia, Agent Orange in Vietnam, the support of the Taliban agains the russians. Surely there are many positive deeds to be mentioned too. But stop glorifying..it sounds cheesy and naive!
Because you can't. You really have no knowledge or concrete evidences to demonstrate plausible argument regarding these topics.
Most of the above empires went down as a new, different civilization emerged with new ideas and better advances. The world as a whole has been discovered and I don't see a new civilization popping up. Now regardless what anyone says from the Muslims to the Germans..if America falls than this world falls cause no one else has the military, money or will to take the lead. Everyone coomplains and argues but they are in the cheap seats. I challenge anyone on this site to say their country as a whole has done more for good than the US...anyone.
And to 1aShnitzel..once again someone being proud of their country is neither naive nor stupid. I am sorry you are not as proud of yours and need to put others down...perhaps you should become an American citizen so you can be proud also.
One thing common to the collapse of all great empires was the corruption of its highest political office. We are well on our way. Another commonality was the loss of key territories, colonies or states, often by secession. Texas will probably be the first to go, as is stands to make dramatic economic gains and improved quality of life by going it alone.
quote:Originally posted by 1aSchnitzel: My aim is not to put down your contribution to the world but to look at it objectively. If you see the Germain contribution to foreign aid organisations per capita it is about 1/3 larger than that of the US.
What the heck does "aid per capita" have to do with it? A whole lot of excuse with little to show, perhaps? I'm sure those at the receiving end spend a lot of time wondering if Germans contribution is really 1/3 more than Americans, or if Americans give more as a group. In aid terms, "the more the merrier".
quote:Me too, I dont want to waste time counterarguing..but I wish would see that your nation is not always perceived as you see it. The Kyoto treaty, Nikes child-labour factories in Cambodjia, Agent Orange in Vietnam, the support of the Taliban agains the russians. Surely there are many positive deeds to be mentioned too. But stop glorifying..it sounds cheesy and naive!
Because you can't. You really have no knowledge or concrete evidences to demonstrate plausible argument regarding these topics.
What does per capita has to do with it? It has to with the fact that I am not hiding behind my flag but I myself pay 1/3 more for foreign aid than you.
Secondly can any german chose wether he wants to join the army or do social service which also may include foreign aid. Got it?
No clue about Cambodia? Well fact is my swiss university is has contributed a lot to the fight against child labour in Cambodia! Oh nowadays it all has changed. Workers are no longer younger than 15, only that they have to work 20 hours non-stop and if they yawn they loose their job, and of course no weekend off. They cant change jobs cause their parents depend on them. If this is the only way Nike can beat competitors? Well I doubt. Wont see that from PUMA
Probably rot from within .A unpopular foreign war with a lot of casualties and some spectacular millitary defeat bio weapon strike or maybe a small nuke on a carrier group . Econmic down turn dodgy politican found out .which allows extremists to flourish . Ask your survialists for more scenarios .Gov tries crackdown folds civil break down states secced etc etc ohh and not everyone believes USA stands for freedom and democracy .just look what you did in central south america phillipines south east asia the middle east
quote:Originally posted by campjwIII: Your Swiss university wasted a lot of money and puts out it's propaganda to justify the expense.
Exactly, campjwIII. Someone said "my" Swiss University. That says it all about knowledge in the region.
quote:If you believe that crap put out by your university you are an idiot.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
quote:Originally posted by 1aSchnitzel: What does per capita has to do with it? It has to with the fact that I am not hiding behind my flag but I myself pay 1/3 more for foreign aid than you.
And I, by standing along side with my 290 million fellow Americans give more foreign aid than your 1/3 more per capita. It's one big flag, heh? Which I am proud to hide behind, by the way.
