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why do we give these back-stabbing traitors $1 billion a year to fight "terror"? for Christs sake parts of thier gov. are in on it. the ISI is protecting people we want, Mussharraf has run up the white flag along the border tribal areas, and there has been reports of p-stani troops firing on afghan troops, and firing mortars supporting t-ban and A.Q. fighters. $1 billion. Bush is bankrupting our country. he gives money to a gov. who hates us. we are fools.
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Simmadonna RHYNO.
 They are still working more with us than against us...once the scales are tipped in the opposite, then we'll take appropriate action. |
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YOU hear that flushing toilet sound? know wat that is? its the $1BILLION per year we give the Pakistanis to "fight" terror. Dubya, love to have you and Rummy come over to play cards with my gang some nite...please bring ur fat wallets. if some camel jockey can get over on you, my boys will pick you clean. you are worse than LBJ. DISGRACE. yeah, i said it, don't like it, move to P-STAN!
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With all due respect Sgt., we are being taken. for a long while now. when we drop into, or air-assault into W-STAN, i'll believe we had enough. there are reports of p-stani soldiers giving t-ban indirect-and direct fire to help them. read www.billroggio.com 4th Rail, alot of info. |
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Some of it, I'm sure, is accurate...but its not wise to put all our eggs in one basket. ------------------------------------ On an unrelated note, how come you never commented on this thread? |
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Well, you are right about Musharraf and his W-stan sell out... "Meanwhile, Army Maj. David "Tim" Williams, an operations intelligence planner for the U.S.-led coalition, said peace agreements in Pakistan's tribal border region last year have enabled militants to cross the Afghan-Pakistan border more easily. Those peace agreements saw Pakistani troops pulled back to their barracks in the region in exchange for a pledge that militants would halt attacks on security forces and raids into neighboring Afghanistan. Williams said the most important fight that Taliban militants are waging is in southern Afghan provinces like Kandahar and Helmand. He said the insurgents are trying to isolate the major southern city of Kandahar by conducting operations on three sides around it." source link |
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Pervez is losing control of his country every day he does not use his military to enforce order. Iran is trying for nukes. P-stan has them. which makes them more dangerous. we better not sell them ANY military hardware as long as this situation remains as is.
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Thousands demand Pakistani leader resign
source link ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Thousands of lawyers, journalists and opposition activists staged a sit-in protest in the Pakistani city of Lahore, demanding President Gen. Pervez Musharraf resign for suspending a popular Supreme Court judge and enacting restrictions on the media. Some of the 7,000 people gathered in front of the provincial assembly in Lahore shouted "Go, Musharraf, go!" while others taped their mouths shut to protest alleged government censorship. The protest was the latest in a series of demonstrations in recent weeks against Musharraf, who critics say has become increasingly authoritarian as he seeks to extend his nearly eight years in power with a new five-year presidential term this fall. The media have also been under pressure by the government since March, when Musharraf suspended Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry for alleged misconduct, triggering nationwide protests by lawyers and opposition parties. Chaudhry has challenged his suspension before the Supreme Court, and private news channels have broadcast his rallies, showing tens of thousands of people chanting slogans against Musharraf. Critics claim Musharraf has tried to sideline the independent-minded judge in case of any legal challenges to his bid to for a new presidential term. The government has denied any political motive, with Musharraf saying he has evidence that Chaudhry abused his office. The president's office had said Musharraf would make a televised address to the nation late Thursday, but arrangements for the taping were later canceled without explanation. |
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well Sarge, looks like the poop is getting ready to hit the fan here. maybe the Pentagon should re-think its decision to sell an enemy, and really thats wat they are, military hardware. i think 1 billion is enough already don't you? really i think they should get nothing. not now thats for sure. Pervez looks like he's going down. by the way, how did that meeting at the border turn into the OK Corral? they HATE us. i hope we cross that border anytime we want, and use watever means neccessary to kill or capture men we want. DEAD or ALIVE. why do we respect that border bull? AQ is there. t-ban is there. kill them. its all gone down the toilet in p-stan. islamo-facists will be in power soon enough-if Pervez don't clean house soon...
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That's a good point...plus, we won't be running into any P-stan troops there anyway, since they have "pulled back", right? |
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Sarge, from wat i been reading, those border areas are chaotic. iam not there, so i can just speculate. even if we did run into P-stani troops, either they drop thier weapons, or they can join thier weapons on the ground. wat happened at that meeting on the border that turned into the OK Corral? i can't believe wat i was reading. look, there leader sings one tune, but other organs of his gov. sing another. if there are HVT's within our reach in p-stan, i say f-'em, go for it. the p-stani's have no control of that area. its like the wild west...so i have read. that sux. i read so much different stuff, who really knows? i say only the troops on the ground. until it's said from them, i guess who knows? this is spiraling out of control, and some NATO members still have thier heads far up thier rectums. damn shame.
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Pakistan Builds Third Nuclear Reactor For Bombs
Agence France-Presse | Jun 25, 2007 source link Islamabad: Pakistan appears to be building a third plutonium nuclear reactor to significantly boost its production of atomic bombs, a US research group said Friday. Satellite images show work progressing rapidly at Khusab, 100 kilometres (60 miles) from Islamabad, where the other two reactors are sited, the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) said in a report. Pakistan carried out its only nuclear tests in May 1998 after similar detonations by rival India, alarming the world. The Islamic republic is now a key ally in the US-led war on terror. The construction work would "imply that Pakistan's government has made a decision to increase significantly its production of plutonium for nuclear weapons," the institute said in its report. "Almost all of the third reactor construction visible in the June 3, 2007 image has taken place in the last 10 months," the Washington-based group added. Pakistan's Foreign Office said the report was based on speculation. "Off and on there are speculations of this nature. Pakistan has a nuclear weapons programme and Khusab is a declared nuclear site, that is not a new revelation," spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam told AFP. A Pakistani defence source told AFP that there was "an expansion programme in Khusab" but would not give any other details. Pakistan is fiercely protective of the security of its nuclear sites. Another Pakistani government official defended Pakistan's right to a defensive atomic programme. "The nuclear programme is a cornerstone of Pakistan's national defence strategy," the official said on condition of anonymity. The first reactor at Khusab began operations in 1998 while the institute reported that a second was being built in July 2006. The third reactor is several hundred metres (yards) away from the second and appears to be a "replica", although building work is progressing more quickly on the latest version, the ISIS said. It reported earlier this year that Pakistan had resumed construction on its second plutonium separation facility at Chashma, around 80 kilometres away from Khusab. It said this was "likely related" to Khusab's expansion. The report said that neither the reactors nor the separation plant were safeguarded by the UN's nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency. After three wars and decades of hostility, Pakistan and India launched a slow-moving peace process in 2004 which has led to the introduction of several bilateral nuclear safeguards. The two countries, whose enmity focuses on the divided Himalayan territory of Kashmir, still regularly carry out test launches of nuclear-capable ballistic and cruise missiles. Pakistan, the world's only known nuclear-armed Muslim country, remains at the heart of an investigation into an atomic black market headed by its disgraced chief nuclear scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan. Khan confessed in 2004 to passing atomic secrets to Iran, Libya and North Korea. He was pardoned by President Pervez Musharraf but remains under virtual house arrest in Islamabad. |
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when, not if, the T-ban takes power in P-stan, i never thought i would hope US airpower would use the carpet-bombing tactic again. based on the overwhelmingly hostile population, p-stan's complicity in the emergence of the t-ban, its support for it, and the possesion of nuclear weapons, we should turn every major city in p-stan into rubble. p-stan is a prime target for an islamo-facsist takeover. everything the rags need to destroy whole cities is right there. better start talking to India, coz they are right there, will be a target, and should strike pre-emptively. it would send a loud [BOOM!] and clear message to islamo-fascists around the world. carpet bombing P-stani cities will be the right thing to do. we are in the early stages of WW-3, and we are gonna make up the rules as we go along.
 its either that, or a mushroom cloud over Berlin, Paris OR...Rome? the heart of Christianity, they would LOVE that... |
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looks like musharraff has decided to go down swinging. its unavoidable. there are reports of "thousands" of fighters in north waziristan. this problem is the result of the Generals appeasement policy. how can you talk to people who are hell bent on killing you? now, they are maybe too strong to be run out of these areas. even if the US gets involved or not, its the same result-maybe. a islamofacist takeover of pakistan.
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Pakistani forces kill 10 militants
Agence France-Presse | Aug 17, 2007 source link ISLAMABAD (AFP): Pakistan's armed forces killed 10 suspected pro-Taliban militants in clashes while a bomb left two soldiers dead in fresh violence Thursday in the troubled tribal territory bordering Afghanistan. Troops backed by helicopter gunships battled militants after a military convoy came under attack in volatile northwestern Pakistan. "Ten miscreants were killed and 12 were wounded when security forces retaliated using gunship helicopters," top military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad told AFP. The military convoy had come under attack on the Jandola road near Wana, the main town in South Waziristan tribal district. Arshad said the helicopters were called in after militants took up positions in the surrounding hills after being engaged by security forces. "They are still holed up and firing at security forces. The operation is continuing," Arshad said. He said gunfire was also coming from some houses along the mountain slopes. "It is tough terrain, we are exercising maximum care to avoid any collateral damage," Arshad said. Earlier, at least two soldiers were killed and four wounded when a bomb rocked an army convoy in neighbouring North Waziristan district. The explosion occurred at Spinwam, about 30 kilometres (20 miles) northeast of Miranshah, the main town of the troubled district where Pakistani forces are battling Al-Qaeda and other Islamic militants holed up in the lawless region. "Two soldiers were martyred and four others were injured in the attack," Arshad said. In a separate incident in another tribal district a pro-government tribal chief was killed Thursday in a bomb attack, officials said. The bomb, detonated by remote control, blew up the car of tribal elder Shamsul Wahab Khan, critically injuring him, his driver and two guards in Bajaur's Khar district, a local official said. Khan and his driver died later died in hospital, the official said, adding that authorities were investigating the motive behind the attack. Khan's brother Daud Khan was among hundreds of tribal chiefs who last week attended a landmark tribal council in Kabul involving tribes from both sides of the volatile Afghanistan-Pakistan border. The incident comes a day after an anonymous letter distributed in Bajaur threatened tribal elders with reprisals for attending the talks in Kabul aimed at ending support for Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants in the region. "Your participation at the jirga was not a good decision," officials quoted the letter as saying. "Action will be taken against you," it warned. Bajaur district is one of seven semi-autonomous tribal regions in volatile northwest Pakistan. Violence has spiked in recent weeks since local tribal militants scrapped a controversial peace deal with security forces on July 15. US intelligence reports say the troubled region shelters Al-Qaeda and Taliban fugitives. The deal, under which the militants promised not to shelter foreigners and launch cross border attacks, was scrapped after Pakistani forces stormed a radical mosque in the capital Islamabad to dislodge pro-Taliban gunmen last month. Pakistan has deployed 90,000 troops along the Afghan border to hunt down Taliban and Al-Qaeda fugitives, and deal with the upsurge in militancy. Meanwhile, in the southwest of the country armed tribesmen attacked a police station Thursday and freed two suspected Islamic militants arrested just hours before, officials said. Two policemen were injured in the attack by dozens of tribesmen in Musakhel tribal district in Baluchistan province, local administration chief Asmatullah Khel said. Police said the two arrested men had come from neighbouring South Waziristan tribal district and were picked up from a mosque over suspicions that they were planning attacks, he added. A notorious Taliban commander Abdullah Mehsud was killed in the same region when he blew himself up to avoid arrest last month. |
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Rule change favors Pakistan's Musharraf
source link ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - The Election Commission announced a rule change Monday that would apparently allow President Gen. Pervez Musharraf to seek a new, five-year term while still serving as army chief. Opposition parties insist the U.S.-backed Musharraf is ineligible to run, but the commission said it had changed a rule so that a key article of the constitution no longer applied. "The chief election commissioner of Pakistan has made the requisite amendment, with the approval of the president," the commission said in a statement. The rule change drew an outraged response from opposition leader and former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. She also accused Musharraf's allies of leading the country toward a dangerous crisis by refusing to restore democracy and share power. Bhutto predicted the decision would enrage the same lawyers who led the campaign for the restoration of Pakistan's independent-minded top judge whom Musharraf tried to remove from office in March, sparking a pro-democracy protest movement. The Supreme Court later reinstated the judge. "All political parties, irrespective of whether they were moderates or religious, regional or national, came together to back the lawyers and their movement and I think the same would happen again," Bhutto told The Associated Press late Sunday, when Pakistani media first reported the rule change. She said her party may join other opposition groups in resigning from parliament. She said that for Musharraf to seek re-election in uniform would be "illegal." Pakistan's political turmoil is deepening as Musharraf, who took power in a 1999 coup and became a key U.S. ally after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, tries to extend his rule. He wants lawmakers to vote him back in by mid-October, but faces tough legal and political obstacles. Musharraf's term expires Nov. 15. The president is elected in a vote by all members of Pakistan's provincial and national assemblies. Musharraf's standing has plummeted since March, and he is also struggling to contain a surge in attacks by pro-Taliban militants near the border with Afghanistan. On Monday, militants attacked a Pakistani security post near the border with rockets and gunfire, starting a battle that left 14 militants dead and 16 soldiers missing, said army spokesman Maj. Gen. Waheed Arshad. Officials also said the army has agreed to a cease-fire with militants holding some 260 soldiers hostage since Aug. 30 in the South Waziristan border region. The cease-fire was established by tribal leaders acting as mediators. Last week, Musharraf sidelined his chief political rival, former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, sending him back into exile. But in doing that, he set up another showdown with the Supreme Court that had earlier ruled that Sharif could return to Pakistan. Bhutto has been in talks with Musharraf on a pact including constitutional amendments to defuse the legal challenges to his re-election and let her return and seek a third term as premier in parliamentary elections due by January. Negotiations have snagged over Musharraf's reluctance to cede his sweeping powers. Monday's announcement by the election commission, however, seemed to remove the need for such a pact. |
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yeah, while he was pissin' in the wind, the t-ban/AQ refit and re-loaded and set up shop in those areas. Musharraff did NOTHING. why do we worry about wat they say, or if they kill him? he's dead man walking alraedy. they should hit every target they know of, and follow it up with quick air-assaults and even paratroopers dropped in and either chopperd out, or make thier way across to a-stan. our inaction is frustrating. the hell with p-stani territory. there is no government control there. you can say its a nation of terrorists and hadjis. we should STRIKE.
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NWFP are ruled by the t-ban and AQ. we know Musharaff will do nothing. why don't we strike? we give Musharraff too much respect and trust. just like that intel we had on camps and HVT's that ended up in the ISI's hands and passed on to the t-ban and AQ. sell them military hardware? that is STUPID! when they kill Pervez, and they will, P-stan will be our mortal enemy. thats wat happens when you let politicians run a war. Deja Vu all over again....
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well, sounds like Pervez has grown a set. heavy fighting along the frontier involving P-stani troops and border tribes, AQ, all kinds of hadji's...thier taking a beating too, since they are an inept, cowardly bunch. iam talking about the p-stani army. let them kill each other...
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well, Benazir Bhutto has come home, and she was greeted by..2 car bombs, a suicide attacker, but many supporters. She knows names, who's doing wat, and the first thing they should do is purge the ISI, coz thats the people who are gonna kill her AND Musharraff. She says she will allow US troops, air cover iinside p-stani borders, and i pray to God almighty she lives to see the day when OBL's head is on a plate.
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