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Originally posted by RHYNO506:
has anyone seen a SIG assault rifle in a firearms shop? has anyone brought one?

has anyone purchased a Bersa pistol? they issue them to the Argentine military. has anyone had any experience with thier products?

how about the Czech pistols? CZ-100 etc.?

The SIG AR's are great, but much more expensive than equivalent AR15's, and you'll need a class 3, so throw in an extra $200. I've fired the SIG551, and it feels better than the M4, but I couldn't see the need for a $12000 rifle in my colection.

The Bersa line of pistols are traditional euopean models, generally similar to the Walther PP(i.e. 9mm, thin, and low number of shots).

The CZ100 and CZ101 are the high capacity full sized pistols in 9mm and .40S&W, of solid construction, good ergonomics, and modest price. An unusual feature is a hook protusion on top of the slide that allows one handed operation of the slide by catching the hook on a belt or holster.

the Coast Guard, DEA, and from wat i read tankers and armor related MOS's contracted with SIG to procure .40cal pistols. looks like they made a good deal. a compromise. and a precision weapon. you can die from a .22 as well as a .45. depends on where you get hit. not long ago SEALS had a .22cal pistol in thier inventory. look it up in wikipedia. a .22 long at close range w/suppressor, in the head? ur DEAD.

Discussion of any weapon here turns into AK-47 bashing, Comrades, how about insead of comparing orininal AK-47 in most cases worn out specimens to the most modern weapons or the newest improvement to older weapons in the west we need to be fair about it and look at the AK-101 threw AK-107 which are much improved with new metal alloys, manufacturing process, and of course plastic furniture with all the attachments.

If you compare and M4 with bells and wistles be fair and use a similarly equipped AK. That puts the M-4 in a new ball game.

The discussion is the SOCOM M-14 variant not the AK series weapons. Can some one tell me the MOA of the SOCOM at 100, 200, 300 yards please.

Also the TV show Shooting gallery they had a guy crawl threw the mud with an MIA variant and it jammed big time.


I have a CZ 75 BD pistol and it is great.

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I don't know about ur question Coastguardsman, but you have a real nice weapon there. i was mulling over a CZ 9mm that resembled a 1911. the store owner said they are good pieces. good luck!

The EAA Witness is the same thing as a CZ for a bit less money, they are good guns at a reasonable price.

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Originally posted by RHYNO506:
has anyone seen a SIG assault rifle in a firearms shop? has anyone brought one?

i will answer my own question. yes, i have seen it, held it and its a little heavy towards the front. it had qaud pic rails, and, get this...they wanted $2,200 for it. on Impact Guns Online, it says the price is $1,200 or less. i told the dealer that and he's telling me iam wrong. just some Greedy gun dealer. unreal. its the Sig 556.,5.56mm

why don't our government, who shells out billions to countries like p-stan, which is playing both sides, arm our troops with the best firearms available? how many are armed with the M-16A4? or the full auto M-4?

I think there should be a move to change to the 6.8mm rifle. hell with nato. Barret makes the 468, and the guy fired through the car door and the steel cutout went down. Maybe its time for a change in the round we use. The issue may be the number of rounds that can be carried with all the gear on ur back.

do any Vietnam vets remeber the Stoner LMG? Was it the Stoner 63? why use that m-249 if this weapon performed so well?

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Originally posted by RHYNO506:
do any Vietnam vets remeber the Stoner LMG? Was it the Stoner 63? why use that m-249 if this weapon performed so well?

Stoner 63 is it. I've read that those were mainly used by SEALs and other special ops types.

They seem like a solid choice for a squad automatic weapon. I think it'd be a waste of money to change over from the 249 at this point, though.

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Originally posted by 2moyrs:

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Originally posted by RHYNO506:
do any Vietnam vets remeber the Stoner LMG? Was it the Stoner 63? why use that m-249 if this weapon performed so well?

Stoner 63 is it. I've read that those were mainly used by SEALs and other special ops types.

They seem like a solid choice for a squad automatic weapon. I think it'd be a waste of money to change over from the 249 at this point, though.

its still on the board on impactguns.online., it shows great pics and how versatile it is. a lot of probs with the 249. when its firing its beautiful, but it jams in the desert with all that fine sand. clean it every chance you get. that weapon needs to be firinf during a contact. wonder how many 63's they got collecting dust?

the military sure is ramping up the R&D programs and some of the hardware is really mindboggling. Wat happens if our enemies, like the N. Koreans, set off an EMP "bomb"...iam concerned that this will be the main target of our enemies. Deny our forces all that computerized stuff that gives us an edge. Anybody know of way to "harden" our electronic systems?

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Originally posted by EX_BRIT_SOLDIER:
6.5mm rd, it's the future.

6.5 Grendel has a lot of fans, but the 6.8 is more practical, and should replace the 5.56.

It would be great if we went 6.8mm or caseless type. With caseless the weight would drop considerablly even on the larger calibers.

We need a hard hitting knock them on their butt's round. Maybe look at carbon fiber materials and electrical fire (Metalstorm) or new technology.

It will be expensive, but we are looking at a total transformation of a small arm DOD wide. If we transitioned to a .22 long rifle or .45 pistols it would still be expensive...bottom line is it would be better, more lethal. imagine not having to wait for an enemy to reveal himself...just shoot him through his cover!!!!!

when Hk designed the 416, they went to a former Spec. Ops Soldier, Larry Vickers for his input. I know you cannot believe all you see on t.v., but this guy Vickers says the 416 is way more reliable than the m-4. He says the weapon runs cool, he took out the barrel and bolt after firing 30 rnds. You cannot do that with a direct gas system, and there lies the advantage. there is no expansion to the 416, while the m-4 heats up, expands, cools down...the m-4 is a good weapon if you can keep it proper at all times, but wat if theres no time for clearing a stoppage? If Hk makes it in 6.8, i would love to have that. It would be cheaper per unit than Colts M-4 too. Made in the USA.

Definitively, the 6.8 will replace the 5.56.
The M4 was a great weapon platform in the 90's, but it is already being surpassed by FN, SIG, HK, and some homegrown spices.