I have 3 DUIs and am trying to find out if the reserves are giving out morals waivers at this time or if I have to wait for the new fiscal year and then talk to a recruiter. I have a BS with a 2.5 gpa and was thinking possibly to go in as an officer but suspect with a waiver my chances would fall somewhere between slim and none. Also if anyone could give me some guidance on what rates would even be open to me with a waiver I would appreciate it. Thanks for your patience with this post, I know I'm a bit of all over the place.

No to a waiver with the 3 DUIs and your GPA isn't even close for officer. Combine the two and no chance.

The Navy now has a policy (just saw it yesterday in Navy Times) of two DUI's and it's out. Given your history Gerry is dead on. I doubt seriously an enlisted recruiter would work with you either.

Now, as to whether or not another branch of service will talk to you is another matter.

Thank you very much for the info and your time, thought that would be the case but just wanted to verify.

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Originally posted by Boats22151:
The Navy now has a policy (just saw it yesterday in Navy Times) of two DUI's and it's out.

Been that way for a while. By instruction (OPNAVINST 5350.4-even the recently cancelled one from 1999) after 2 ARI's they are supposed to process you for administrative seperation, as a alcohol treatment failure, unless a waiver is reccomended by the command and obtained from PERS (provided even minimal treatment was given for the first incident). All ARIs were/are supposed to get evaluated for alcohol dependence via the local MTF/ATF nad treatment reccomendations given for the member.

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Originally posted by catherine0830:

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Originally posted by Boats22151:
The Navy now has a policy (just saw it yesterday in Navy Times) of two DUI's and it's out.

Been that way for a while. By instruction (OPNAVINST 5350.4-even the recently cancelled one from 1999) after 2 ARI's they are supposed to process you for administrative seperation, as a alcohol treatment failure, unless a waiver is reccomended by the command and obtained from PERS (provided even minimal treatment was given for the first incident). All ARIs were/are supposed to get evaluated for alcohol dependence via the local MTF/ATF nad treatment reccomendations given for the member.

Thanks for correcting me. Fortunately I never had a Sailor that ran afoul of this policy.

The difference, if I remember the article correctly, is now there are no waivers.

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Originally posted by Boats22151:
The difference, if I remember the article correctly, is now there are no waivers.

There are still, I just think the Navy is approving fewer of them. My hubs is a DAPA became one while on his last boat, is now the one for the unit here. We have copies of both the old and new instructions in binders !!!

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Originally posted by catherine0830:

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Originally posted by Boats22151:
The difference, if I remember the article correctly, is now there are no waivers.

There are still, I just think the Navy is approving fewer of them. My hubs is a DAPA became one while on his last boat, is now the one for the unit here. We have copies of both the old and new instructions in binders !!!

Thanks again. While I have not read the instruction yet (which is the final word) I did re-read the summary that was publicized this week.

Second DUI - no waivers, do not pass go, thank you for your service and have a nice life.

There is a waiver process for a rehab failure, but I suspect that if you get the second DUI then the waiver would not even be considered.

In any event, the OP got their answer and now has to move forward with their life.

Well, the OP doesn't have a DUI problem, he apparently has a drinking problem. Hopefully, he will get soem help, and get his priorities straigtened out.

And to think there was a day when you were looked at with suspicion if you were NON a drinker.
This is NOT to say that DUI's are a good thing!

But from what I read on these boards about oh so proper health, don't smoke, don't drink, don't stay out late at night, go to church three times a week, don't offend anyone.

Some times I wonder if I was in the same Navy.
Bottom line I'm glad I served when I did, cause I'd never in a million years make it in todays Navy. Hells bells I couldn't even get in todays Navy.

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Originally posted by Boats22151:
Second DUI - no waivers, do not pass go, thank you for your service and have a nice life.

Thing is, if the second DUI is defined as a treatment failure, which it can be under the instruction, there is a waiver. It's futher down in the instruction.....weird, because higher it does say to adsep someone with 2 DUIs or who is treatment failure. But, it say you can define a treatment failure as someone with a second DUI. Clear as mud IMO, but leaves something up to the command.

River, sometimes you're still looked at weird if you don't drink, they're just more harsh on idiots who do things like have a .278 BAC and hitting 2 parked cars while drunk at 1 am....

Catherine and others the question is about enlistment.

Three DUIs is a no go, no waivers at all. 2 DUIs requires a waiver to CNRC but are not likely to get approved. This is for active duty or Reserves. Also on another post the Army is not doing waivers for 2 DUIs either.

Try job corps and see what they can do for you.

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Originally posted by william969:
Catherine and others the question is about enlistment.

I get that. But we like thread jacks!!!!! besides, it's a related topic.....

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Originally posted by billdawg24:
Well, the OP doesn't have a DUI problem, he apparently has a drinking problem. Hopefully, he will get soem help, and get his priorities straigtened out.

I have received help for my problem and I am trying to find out options for my life, which is why I posted here to find out if this would be an option. Obviously it is not.

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Catherine and others the question is about enlistment.

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In the future I'll TRY to confine all my remarks to the Curmudgeon Forum.

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Originally posted by ccolley13:
I have received help for my problem and I am trying to find out options for my life, which is why I posted here to find out if this would be an option. Obviously it is not.

This example is a lesson for those who may be lurking and have questions about how decisions made today can affect one's future.

There are always other options out there and it does depend upon what you want to do with your life, past decisions pretty much eliminate the military possibility and also the fact the Navy and military in general is not hurting for recruits...given the economy.

I would try seeking out with the local job centers and such to see if there is a job you can do in the field of your degree, or look into a tech type of college. Green types of jobs are starting to become more apparent. There are always options.