I believe only officers have rank, like boats said enlisted have rate(IE Making rate means getting promoted) and also like he said your rating is your job.

I think of it like this. On pretty much every document that I fill out it asks this question "Rank/Rate" I always put E-3/MASN and never had a problem. In fact I am told to fill out my 1408's exactly like that.

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Originally posted by Fish82:

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Originally posted by BoatsBM1:
RANT ON

Most of you that have answered the posters question don't even have a RATE yet,just as he does not have one either.

And the Active Duty ones that answered, except for the one that put his 'rating and rate' in his signature, did not answer the question correctly either.

In the Navy "Rate" means what 'pay grade' you are,ie; somewhere from E1-E9.

"Rating" is what you job specialty is,ie; IT,STG,BM,EO,AO ,etc,etc,etc.

I have seen the above mistakes going on here on these forums more and more lately and just finally had to B I T C H about it.

If you were to be asked in Boot Camp what your "rate" was and you answered, for example,
AO, you would have just flunked the one question test.

RANT OFF

BoatsBM1

BM1="rating/rate"

BM1,
I have never heard it put like that, must be a black shoe thing.

How about it like this, there is Rank and Rate, your rate is BM1, your rank is E-6 and your Rating is Boatswainmate. So if you would as some one what their rate was and they said AO1 then that answer it correct. That is how it is taught in the aviation side.
Fish

Chief,

After I posted the above and logged off for my weekly maintaince on my puters, I realized I could have done a better job of explaining what
BM1 meant.

Taking into consideration what I posted about "Ratings" and "Rates", let me try again.

BM1='shorthand for"rating"//"rate"-E-6/Petty Officer First Class.

Now with that said, the Navy has NEVER referred to the enlisted side of the house with the term "rank".

My edition of the Bluejacket's Manual that I received in.....,do I have to tell ,states basicly the same as I have posted here.

From the Navy website;

Enlisted Rates
The use of the word "rank" for Navy enlisted personnel is incorrect. The term is "rate." The rating badge is a combination of rate (pay grade, as indicated by the chevrons) and rating (occupational specialty, as indicated by the symbol just above the chevrons).

The insignia here represents a Petty Officer First Class (the rate) who is a Boatswain's Mate (the rating). A rating badge is worn on the left upper sleeve of all uniforms in grades E-4 through E-6. Chief Petty Officers (E-7 through E-9) wear collar devices on their white and khaki uniforms, and rating badges on their Service Dress Blues.


An explanation of the the enlisted rates is hyperlinked from the chevrons in the image to the left, and an explanation of the various Navy occupational specialities is hyperlinked from the rating symbol, in this case the crossed anchors.

I know the pix referred to in the above 'copy and paste' will not display, so here is the link;
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ranks/rankrate.html

So it is NOT a "black shoe" thing.

Now a question. Do they still issue "striker" patches/insignias for those that have completed "A" school but are still an E-3 ?

BoatsBM1

Boats,

It's been years since I read the BJM so you may have me on that one. I just remember all the forms had Rate/Rank on them, Also, you know us airdales, we never follow the rules.

Almost forgot to answer your question. Yes, there still are "striker" badges for E-3 and below.

ASVAB 98

Currently E-5/IT2

lol, I agree jessNavy.

FMOL where are you stationed at right now?


IT3 Kerns

IT3,

I'm in Norfolk (with half the fleet). One of the guys from my ship came from Iceland though.

IT2

88 SECF

Alright thanks IT2.


IT3

94/AECF

BM1,
They need to tell the Reserves to get with the program then because everywhere I m asked for written identification they want to know my...

Rate/Rank

I have never heard of it put the way you said either, it is always Rate/Rank?

89, OS

quote:

Originally posted by BoatsBM1:
RANT ON

Most of you that have answered the posters question don't even have a RATE yet,just as he does not have one either.

And the Active Duty ones that answered, except for the one that put his 'rating and rate' in his signature, did not answer the question correctly either.

In the Navy "Rate" means what 'pay grade' you are,ie; somewhere from E1-E9.

"Rating" is what you job specialty is,ie; IT,STG,BM,EO,AO ,etc,etc,etc.

I have seen the above mistakes going on here on these forums more and more lately and just finally had to B I T C H about it.

If you were to be asked in Boot Camp what your "rate" was and you answered, for example,
AO, you would have just flunked the one question test.

RANT OFF

BoatsBM1

BM1="rating/rate"

Thanks for the clarification.
One the basis of this, my ASVAB score was 89, my rate is E-3, and my rating is OS

85 RATING=AV. Original rating/rate when in active reserves OS3

Score 96, Rate E3, Rating YN with the hopes of going LN at a later time and if possible OCS.

80 -> Undesignated -> striking PS (for you noobs and vets, that is the merger of PN & DK)

WANT to be AWH, but with the munchkins I don't believe I could handle the seperation for years at a time.

years?

A 'Rated' man is E-4 thru E-9. Non-Rated is E-1 thru E-3. A school grads and AN/SN/CN/FN passed but not advanced are 'designated strikers'. Your 'rate' is what you do... your 'pay grade' is the level you do it at.... more or less.

98 - OSC, with a PJ designator

Actually an E1 - E3 can be rated. Just has to go through "A" School. I was rated a OSSA upon getting to my first ship. Being rated as an E2 has some distinct advantages over being undesignated. Being on a minehunter I was needed for my OS ability over undesignated. I got to miss cranking while underway.
Seperation won't be for years. A deployment is never typical, but roughly a six month cruise every 18 months. Not set in stone and mission dependent. Also depends what you do. I hate it when my 4 year old asks me why "Do you have to go to the desert?" It hurts, but remember why you are doing it. At a little over 11 years I decided I didn't want continue being away. I had made Chief the year earlier and it was a tough decision. So I took a govt job. Will retire will my Navy years toward my pension and will retire at a higher pay rate. Remember this after you get your clearance, if you are lucky to be in a rate that has one. Typically the CT, IT and sometimes YN, OS, and a few others.