i would like to have something clarified for me please.i know in the navy or any other branches there are certain jobs only available to u.s citizens only.i am a legal resident and i was interested in the paralegal/legal assistant rating in the navy.is that a job only available to citizens?is there a list of jobs for non citizens?i am intersted in any computer jobs legal jobs hospital corpsman and personelman job, my first choice being the paralegal....

hopefully i can get some helpful responses
thank you kindly

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i was interested in the paralegal/legal assistant rating in the navy.is that a job only available to citizens?

Yes.
Legalman (LN)

LN (legal) and IT (computers) both require U.S. citizenship. PS (personnel) and HM (medical) do not require U.S. citizenship. This can all be obtained from the parent site of the web page that Boats referred to.

Keep in mind that lack of citizenship can restrict assignments in any rate should one need a higher security clearance.

Former YN1(SS)

futuresailor, where are you from?

Somebody correct me if I am wrong. But last I heard was that you cannot enlist as a Legalman, you have to be E4 or above and "cross-rate".

YN2

You are correct! E-4 (eligible for E-5) and above.

The rules for LN have changed so many times I'm not sure what the status is currently. I believe that it is back to E4 eligible for E5. For a while we could enlist in the TASP program and they started undesignated for two years and then went to LN "A" school.

Looking at the recruiting manual that I have (not most recent), it is available to initial enlistees. Just like MA, which was also a mistake

Just curious Lieutenant, I've heard some of the more experienced sailors share the same opinion that enlistees being able to get MA is not the best idea. I was just wondering why that view is held?

MylesBarry

Myles,
The easiest explanation is experience. Most law enforcement agencies require applicants to be 21 years old to apply. Yet we are taking 17 years old and making them military police???

Most are too young and immature to be given this responsibility. Look at Abu Grab as an example.

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Originally posted by BoatsBM1:

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i was interested in the paralegal/legal assistant rating in the navy.is that a job only available to citizens?

Yes.
Legalman (LN)

After reading other comments to this topic it looks like I should have done more indepth research other than just posting the link I did above.

So.....JAGINST 1440.1D is the controling INST related to LN.

The below link is CH 1 to that instruction and is dated 10 DEC 2007.

JAGINST 1440.1D CH-1

BoatsBM1

Boats, you may still have it right about the security clearance. The link you have is an update to pages 2 and 5 of chapter 1. I imagine there is something about security clearance on one of the other pages.

Either way, OP cannot go directly into the LN rate.

Former YN1(SS)

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Originally posted by mturnb:
Boats, you may still have it right about the security clearance. The link you have is an update to pages 2 and 5 of chapter 1. I imagine there is something about security clearance on one of the other pages.

Either way, OP cannot go directly into the LN rate.

Former YN1(SS)

I agree, now that I did more research because of other comments about it. That requirement is something I did not know about. So was just trying to correct my lack of knowledge.

Here is the entire instruction to which the other one I posted was a change to certain parts.

Jag Instruction 1440.1D

BoatsBM1

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Originally posted by william969:
Myles,
The easiest explanation is experience. Most law enforcement agencies require applicants to be 21 years old to apply. Yet we are taking 17 years old and making them military police???

Most are too young and immature to be given this responsibility. Look at Abu Grab as an example.

Indeed. I'd never thought about it that way. I will admit, being 21, there are times I hang my head when I hear about the things some of the people of my generation do.

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Originally posted by MylesB1:
Indeed. I'd never thought about it that way. I will admit, being 21, there are times I hang my head when I hear about the things some of the people of my generation do.

It's not just age, it's a maturity that being in the fleet for a while tends to give you. MA used to be duty you struck into, meaning they only took the best of the best and you had to be on the ball to get it, and have a certain amount of time in the fleet. Now, you just have to get it in contract and go to A school.

There was a 25yo MA (E-2) in GA who my DH and I got into a ton of trouble for blowing through my neighboorhood in the security vehicles doing 50. Never had problems with the E-5s and above, more the lower-rated ones. At the time also they had boat crews assisting with security duty a few weeks an off-crew, so DH got to see a ton with the MA's

Granted, what is asked of MA's has changed a lot since it was a rate you struck into. So as a result, the rate had to change.

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Originally posted by MylesB1:

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Originally posted by william969:
Myles,
The easiest explanation is experience. Most law enforcement agencies require applicants to be 21 years old to apply. Yet we are taking 17 years old and making them military police???

Most are too young and immature to be given this responsibility. Look at Abu Grab as an example.

Indeed. I'd never thought about it that way. I will admit, being 21, there are times I hang my head when I hear about the things some of the people of my generation do.

MA was still a rating which you had to strike into when I served also, so seeing all this stuff of people going to MA school etc is pretty new to me. I don't know when this all happened, if that could be answered, that could open up some explanations.

As for being more mature etc, I do have to agree. However, just looking into many police science programs, they are filled with kids right out of HS. Also, I would be willing to bet that MP is an MOS which one can choose while going into a different branch, so maybe that is why MA became available.

I also have to agree with William here though, in that I think anyone looking to go into public safety, be it police officer or firefighter, there should be a minimum age of 21. While that does not mean that a person is more mature at that age, or someone is less because they are younger, they just had a little longer to grow up some and face some life challenges.

As it is Crandon, Wisconsin had an off duty police officer, 20y/o, who killed 6 kids in a shooting. Sure left up many questions about hiring people so young and I would be willing to bet that incident will be a model for police screenings in the future.