Hi there. I'm wondering if I can join NNPS and impress everyone with amazing scores, and in doing so earn my way into an ROTC unit or possibly the Academy? Is that at all possible? Also, my recruiter told me that NNPS comes with a 6 year obligation. Is that correct? Thanks for your time and knowledge.

And when I said earn my way in, I mean basically soon after I'm done in NNPS. I want to do some program (Seaman to Admiral or something like that) so that I don't have to wait my whole contract to get a degree. Oh, and also, if this is possible, and I became an officer, would I have any obligation to stay in a rating similar to what I would get after NNPS? Or could I go on to pilot school somehow?

Definitely doable. Each year 15 or so are admitted to the Academy directly and an equal number, with not quite the academic credentials, via NAPS.

Yes, once you get into ROTC or USNA, your career path is limited by only class standing and medical conditions.

However, I would question why you ask this? If you are using NNPS solely as a stepping stone to an immediate officer program, would you be happy if you were not selected for same?

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Originally posted by owenmclean:
Yes, once you get into ROTC or USNA, your career path is limited by only class standing and medical conditions.

you can't apply to NROTC from active duty in the Navy. STA-21 yes, but what you do for STA-21 is NOT determined at all by your standing in the NROTC unit. It is pre-determined before you leave for NSI (ok, unless core, but few are selected for that)

OP-remember that the 30 total for the USNA are selected frm the entire pool of applicants. And those selected for STA-21 are only a small fraction of those who apply.

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However, I would question why you ask this? If you are using NNPS solely as a stepping stone to an immediate officer program, would you be happy if you were not selected for same?

This I totally agree with this. OP, dont use NNPS as your "stepping stone" you need to be happy with being in first and in the program first, or you'll be very, very disappointed

I see what you're saying about the stepping stone. Problem is, the only jobs I am interested in are for officers. I slacked off in school and my family is not well off, so the military is basically the only way to get a degree for me, unless I try balancing school with 30-40 hours per week of work. Not gonna do that. I sort of have to use it as a stepping stone. Either way, I hear that NNPS gives you quite a few college credits anyway, so I think it's the best bet for me.

Search for posts by Catherine for a discussion on the credits you can be granted through the nuke pipeline. She has written on this a couple of times. You may be surprised how few you will be able to use toward the degree you want.

Other than being a pilot or commanding a ship, what jobs are you interested in that only officers do? Granted, I've been out of the Navy for a while but I can't think of very many officer positions that don't have an enlisted man doing something related.

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Originally posted by TheCorps24:
Problem is, the only jobs I am interested in are for officers.

then dont do enlisted. What happens when you dont get selected? the first time you have to clean a toilet? when you cant go out in civilian clothes for weeks after arrival and are stuck in a classroom for 70-80 hours per week? Are you sure the motivation for said prestigous Officer job will keep you motivated through all that?

as mturnb said, you need to read through my posts regarding nuke transfer credits.

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I slacked off in school

what will make power school different? You have to submit your high school transcripts to the board and explain your poor grades and performance. How will you do that?

Nuke is a nice "ticket punch" toward those programs, but SUSTAINED SUPERIOR PERFORMANCE is what gets you selected.

Lol. I've cleaned my share of toilets before. As an 18 year old male, I can proudly say I've supported my family about as much as my parents combined. I'm not daunted by the challenge NNPS presents. I know I can do it. And it may sound cliche, but before I was quite ignorant, worring myself about unnecessary things. I'm ready to succeed and I know I can show the world just what I'm capable of.

I also love math and science, so I think it's a good bet.

I want to be an officer because I want to fly or command a ship...

Also, officers make more money, but that isn't as much of a motivator for me as is the prestige, responsibility, and sense of honor that being a Naval Officer is said to bring to oneself.

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what will make power school different? You have to submit your high school transcripts to the board and explain your poor grades and performance. How will you do that?

I will tell them that paying the monthly rent is more important to me than aiming for scholarships.

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Originally posted by TheCorps24:
I slacked off in school and my family is not well off, so the military is basically the only way to get a degree for me, unless I try balancing school with 30-40 hours per week of work. Not gonna do that.

So, you figure what, 60-70 hours a week total of school and work together to get through college? If you aren't willing to do that then how do you think you'll manage power school? It's an 8 hour day 5 days a week not counting MANDATORY study time. Now, as a "prestigious" officer who was always able to make the grade and never got mandatory hours that came out to 18.7 hours a week of voluntary study hours when all was said and done (they have a nice electronic tracking system to make sure you’re doing your job), though I was pulling closer to a mere 15 hours a week until the last couple weeks. And then of course there's prototype where even the officers have mandatory study hours and it's rotating shift work of 12 hours a day time 6 or so per week on average. You're good at math, tell me how that compares to balancing college with a job. Then think about what happens when you don't get picked up for officer and you go out to sea and the work day is indefinite and if you decide to cut it shorter than your supervisor thinks it should be you don't just fail a college class that you can retake, you get put on restriction (same applies in the training pipeline). You realize that if you decide something is unimportant in the Navy and don’t do it they call it dereliction of duty or violation of a general order and take you to Mast, right?

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Originally posted by TheCorps24:
Lol. I've cleaned my share of toilets before. As an 18 year old male, I can proudly say I've supported my family about as much as my parents combined. I'm not daunted by the challenge NNPS presents.

Well, you should be.

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I know I can do it.

No, you think you can do it.

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And it may sound cliche, but before I was quite ignorant, worring myself about unnecessary things.

Oh, you never have to worry about unnecessary things in the Navy... Never ever.

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Also, officers make more money, but that isn't as much of a motivator for me as is the prestige, responsibility, and sense of honor that being a Naval Officer is said to bring to oneself.

Ah yes, the prestige and glamour of a US Navy Ensign... I haven't been an Ensign for over two years and the stupid **** I saw and did as an Ensign still keeps me up at night. Prestige? Maybe if you're some staff corps weenie on shore duty, but not for a line officer on sea duty. You don't get admired by the elderly much out at sea. I’d trade all the prestige in the world for a little more sleep here and there. They could take my money to while they’re at it.

Incorrect, I know I can do it

Secondly, since I wouldn't get a penny for college, I would have had to earn enough to support myself completely; pay rent, utilities, buy food, books, and tuition. I would have had to work over 40 hours a week, considering I would most likely get minimum wage, and on top of college full time, that's about 70 hours of work and school alone, not counting studying time, which I would have done a lot. That's probably 85-90 hours a week. That, plus the fact that I'd have to bike everywhere due to not having a car, adds up to probable failure in college.


P.S. - I could care less who you are or what you did, but if you've accomplished something, be it NNPS or walking on the moon, I'm pretty sure I can as well.

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So, you figure what, 60-70 hours a week total of school and work together to get through college? If you aren't willing to do that then how do you think you'll manage power school? It's an 8 hour day 5 days a week not counting MANDATORY study time.

You see, 8 hour days, 5 days a week is what I would have to work, minimum, just to live at college. I'm sure the MANDATORY class time, coupled with working at college, puts me over the amount of time required at NNPS. But, if I were to do college too, I would have to study, just like I would at NNPS, and so you see, college with a full time job is just a wee bit more difficult, time wise, than is NNPS. Not to mention if something goes horribly wrong in college, I'm down a few thousand bucks. The financial risk isn't worth it to me.

Again, I'll make it at power school.

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And then of course there's prototype where even the officers have mandatory study hours and it's rotating shift work of 12 hours a day time 6 or so per week on average.

Ok, so 12 hours a day, 6 times a week, plus 8 hours mandatory study time, plus about 2.5 hours of voluntary study...are you saying that the average person gets about 1.5 hours of sleep per day at NNPS?

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Originally posted by AoiSonlee:

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Originally posted by TheCorps24:
Lol. I've cleaned my share of toilets before. As an 18 year old male, I can proudly say I've supported my family about as much as my parents combined. I'm not daunted by the challenge NNPS presents.

Well, you should be.

Why?

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Originally posted by TheCorps24:
P.S. - I could care less who you are or what you did, but if you've accomplished something, be it NNPS or walking on the moon, I'm pretty sure I can as well.

I guess you've got it all figured out then. You clearly don't need any guidance from the members of this forum. Good luck.

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Originally posted by AoiSonlee:

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Originally posted by TheCorps24:
P.S. - I could care less who you are or what you did, but if you've accomplished something, be it NNPS or walking on the moon, I'm pretty sure I can as well.

I guess you've got it all figured out then. You clearly don't need any guidance from the members of this forum. Good luck.

Agreed.

TheCorps since you dont need help or advice, I'm locking this. Be prepared to get your ass handed to you at NNPS, those that know it all always do (see posts written by cleonard19 for that-oh, he was a non-select for both the USNA and STA-21 last year, despite being near the top of his class and having college credits.)

trust me, with as much as you "know" and as cocky as you are, you're in for a world of hurt.