Hello everyone, some of you probably know me- for those that don’t- I am a DEP recruit- I enlisted as a GM and am currently awaiting my departure date for boot camp in a few months. However I plan on taking (and obviously passing) my PST for SO rating so that I can go straight to BUDS after boot camp, I understand that a typical class failure rate can be as high as 80% - should I unfortunately fall into this statistic what will become of me? I talked to my recruiter and he has no idea. I also talked to my SEAL mentor and what he said was first and foremost (this is to the effect of-not a word for word quote) - “don’t think about failing, you will get through BUDS, and we will send you out when you are ready”- which I found strange- does he say this to every other raw recruit fresh out of high school SEAL wannabe? And then he went on to explain that even if I did wash out of BUDS that I would do whatever the Navy told me to do, and wherever they assign me to do it- does this mean I am going to be a ship janitor in Bahrain? Does it mean I go back to my original MOS that I enlisted in the Navy with? Because my concern is- if I do wash out- I would want to be a CTI- not a GM. Do I need to re-class as a CTI before classing as a SEAL? So that essentially it would be GM --> CTI --> SO. Believe me guys- I don’t mean to offend or annoy any of you with this post, and I assure you- that I only came here after going through most other feasible options. Also I have another unrelated question- one recruiter told me that if you want to be a SEAL stick with enlisted and don’t go officer- it’s the enlisted guys who are the door kickers and guys you don’t mess with- and that officers mostly deal with administration, planning, tactics etc. and don’t see as much action or get as much field training and experience. Is this true? Because I know a guy who is going to force recon as an officer but he plans on being in the field right there with his men. To me it sounds like this recruiter was not exactly on the ball to put it in polite terms because otherwise- why would officers and enlisted train together and fraternize? In the field is it not an officer who leads the group? I am asking this question because I am not sure if I want to be an officer or enlisted. I just want to make it clear though that first and foremost I want to be a SEAL. Thanks for your help- or if you are going to lay the internet smack down on me- thanks for that too I guess :/
Believe me guys- I don’t mean to offend or annoy any of you with this post, and I assure you- that I only came here after going through most other feasible options.
Everything you ask in this post has been covered numerous times. If you'll take the time and read through the forums you'll see your questions and answers are there, both here on the Joining the Navy Forum and the SEAL forum.
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maybe I am stupid or something- but I have read through many posts- especially on the SEAL forum and some here as well- and I have yet to find information that is pertinent to my particular case. By the way- should I relocate this discussion board to the NSW discussion board? or is it appropriate to be placed here?
Since there are more drops than successful SEAL graduates there is at each stage of testing and training an assigned Navy Specialist that will intergrate the drops back into the Fleet. This is a ongoing process that will place the drops back into "A" school, direct to the Fleet, or perhaps offer up a Med Discharge for injury. It will be up to the processing specialist and the circumstances of the drop. No one answer fits all.
There's a lot more out there, but I didn't feel like searching. Good luck.
First of all MOS is not a Navy classification. NEC is what the Navy calls it. If you enlisted at a GM then you will be a GM if you pass or do not pass BUDs. I had a roommate in Submarine School that had gone to BUDs at one point. He dropped out but continued to be a HM. With the current situation with full ratings I highly doubt you will get to change your rating.
"And then he went on to explain that even if I did wash out of BUDS that I would do whatever the Navy told me to do, and wherever they assign me to do it- does this mean I am going to be a ship janitor in Bahrain? Does it mean I go back to my original MOS that I enlisted in the Navy with? Because my concern is- if I do wash out- I would want to be a CTI- not a GM. Do I need to re-class as a CTI before classing as a SEAL? So that essentially it would be GM --> CTI --> SO."
If they do give you another rate (no matter what it is) you'll probably end up for some time as a "ship's janitor" or barracks janitor for that matter. Junior CTI's who deployed with us cleaned right along side the junior IS's and other CT's. That's just the life of a junior squid.
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Originally posted by CossackWarrior: or is it appropriate to be placed here?
Wannabe posts belong here
now, do you really think they'll take the time and money to get you the DLAB, reclass you as a CTI, and then take the time and money to test and reclass you as an SO? Then again, do you think they'll spend tons of money training you in one expensive area with a high washout rate to another expensive training program with a high washout rate?
i suggest you decide what you want to do.
Why havent you reclassed yet? from what I can tell you have been in DEP since March (6 or 7 months)
They become Special Warfare Operators (SO) upon completion of a rather lengthy training pipeline and designation as SEAL. It is an enlistment option (SO) just like any other rating. If any other rating gets the school as a rating change, they will, upon completion change rating to SO.
I am old enough to remember SO as the predecessor to ST (both Sonarman). Special Warfare Operator rating was established in 2006.
If they were undesignated or if they were designated strikers or petty officers they retain that rate/rating UNTIL they are designated SEAL, therefore SO, upon completion of the training. So there is nothing to go back to if they drop during the course of instruction because nothing has changed.
If, after graduation and designation as SEAL and change of rating to SO they are dropped from the program, I would assume that those who had a rating would change back to that rating, and those who were undesignated would negotiate a change of rating via school or OJT.
If, after graduation and designation as SEAL and change of rating to SO they are dropped from the program, I would assume that those who had a rating would change back to that rating, and those who were undesignated would negotiate a change of rating via school or OJT.
SO is and of itself its own rate now. You enlist for it so there is no rate to go back to if you drop. You'de have to be reasigned to another rate.
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Your statement is true EXCEPT for those who entered BUDS from the fleet and were designated strikers or already rated. They would probably retain that entry occupation upon drop. And please use "rating" when talking about a navy occupation.
The paragraph you quoted pertains to those who have already completed BUDS, become SOs, and are dropped from the PROGRAM, NOT the course of instruction.
Within the last Class that graduated, only 9 graduates had a Rate of E-4 or E-5 within a total Class (including Officers) count of 60.
What happens to E-1 to E-3 Drops is that they are sent back to the Fleet for assignment at the Fleets discretion. That is pretty easy to understand.
Those Drops (DOR) that had a Rate of E-4 or E-5 return to their original Rating within the Fleet. Also easy to understand.
Reading all the above posts I see a lot of comparing apples to apples. NSW has a reassignment desk on site to handle Fleet returnees or fresh Boots as Drops occur. Those BUDS trainees who are slightly injured are held in a separate Division at the Strand until if possible the injury heals, then the healed trainee is placed in a future Class like a new trainee on day one. This re-placement is called being Rolled Back.
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