A few unanswered questions about the CTI rate:
1. I understand that a sailor with a family doesn't typically get stationed in Hawaii for their first tour. Does this apply to the CTI rate?
2. Also, I saw on about.com that reenlistment bonuses exist for Arabic, but not for Asian languages. Is this true?
3. Also, is there a language that typically sees more or less time in TAD?
I'm currently in delayed entry, with a ship date in October. I have a wife and child. My DLAB score was 146, so I'm anticipating no problem getting the language I request on my "dream sheet" (needs of the Navy notwithstanding). My wife, of course, is crazy for Hawaii, though I have a feeling that I would get tired of being stuck there. The other option is Augusta, GA if I go Arabic, which would put us closer to family, and might mean faster promotion/ higher bonuses over the life of my career.
I'm really excited to have a job in this rate, regardless of where I go. I just thought I'd hear your opinions on the questions above.
Thanks, and happy summer everyone!
If you get Korean or Chinese, you have a very high probability of Hawaii as a first duty station.
According to BUPERS most recent CREO listing, both Korean and Chinese-type CTIs are CAT 2 for E5 (fully manned) and CAT 3 for E-6, meaning they are overmanned at the E6 level. This is why there is no re-enlistment bonus.
Persian is CREO 1 across the board.
As for what languages don't deploy - back in the early 1990s the Navy kicked out or cross-trained virtually all the Chinese linguists and it was the Korean linguists who had all the work and TDYs. 20 years later its the Chinese linguists who are hot and the Korean linguists who languish.
Point is - things change, so who can say what will happen by the time you get out to your first duty station.
Since when? I know a lot of guys with families on a first tour stationed in Hawaii. Back in the early 90's the Navy was actually having trouble getting sailors with families to accept orders out there.
The Navy did away with the 'C' school for CTIs back around 2004, and now CTIs do that training at their first duty stations at the main NSA facilities including Hawaii and Georgia. Count on going to one of these duty stations IF you get picked up for CTI and more importantly...actually make it through DLI.
I'm in DEP. And my rating is known to be stationed in Hawaii and my understanding is that enlisted e-3 and below with dependents are not allowed to be stationed overseas, and hawaii is considered overseas.
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even if they wont send your family as a junior member because of cost.....they can always send you UNACCOMPANIED
CTIs get the 'push-button' E-4 when they graduate from DLI, which means that they are E-4s when they go to Hawaii, Georgia, etc. I had many, many Sailors who got married at DLI (including to civilians) and their families went with them after DLI.
I can't speak to how it works for non-CTIs in Hawaii though...
My hubby and I got Hawaii orders and were transferred here from a Virginia C-School. It depends on what billets come up when it's time for your class to select orders. If there aren't any Hawaii billets on the table; no Hawaii orders. It also depends on whether you pick your orders or they are assigned to you. My mister is an Aegis FC and the particular training he received was massively undermanned in Japan and Hawaii but they didn't want to send married folks to Japan if they didn't have to so the Japan billets were filled with single/dual-military married sailors. They did end up having to move one married couple to Japan, but the rest of the marrieds with a single dependent got Hawaii orders and the other sailors with multiple dependents got East Coast orders.
that has more to do with the current nuclear meltdown crisis than anything, although the exorbitantly high Cost of living is also a major factor. Yokosuka is not all that far away from the radiation zone although they are in little danger of exceeding safe levels of contamination. but to be on the safe side they do restrict accompanied orders currently. and the base is CROWDED. when we were there ten years ago there were too many dependents there as it was.. and even though you hear about all the stupid Sailor tricks that happen on and off base, in my experience a LOT of the milder ones( petty theft, vandalism, etc) were actually perpetrated by the DEPENDENTS.
additionally as far as CTI in particular is concerned, the command has actually gotten AWAY from that whole mission parameter as a whole .. DIRSUP, last I heard, was all but shut down out of Yoko and was instead concentrated in Kunia and Pearl. a far cry from what we had during our DIRSUP tour there.
of course this does not mean HI will be easy either.. CoL there is nearly as bad and housing on and off base can be hard to find( and be affordable as well as decent)
they try NOT to set baby sailors up for failure especially those with more to lose.. like a Security Clearance.
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Hawaii housing can definitely be a pain in the butt. I managed to get really lucky as far as housing went, base housing told us they had nothing available except somewhere out in the boonies (we had no vehicle on island at that point) and that we were basically SOL. So, I hit the Craigslist super hard and found a nice affordable place within a week of being there. But I can understand trying to avoid sending young married sailors who don't know the ropes quite yet to Japan or Hawaii, as let's be honest, even though Hawaii is a state it may as well still be its own country.
Right now, Arabic and Farsi are the bees knees with the Big Wigs, and you're more likely to end up in Georgia if you go to the DLI any time in the next year or so. Of course, the Navy does continue to create more linguists of all the Big 5, so you never know. Your DLAB scores are awesome, which almost certainly means Arabic, Farsi, or Chinese.
To emphasize what Squid said, we just had a Linguist's Call w/ the CHI/KOR detailers, who said that right now, all applications to convert to Arabic or Farsi/Pash/Dar/etc languages will be considered. It doesn't mean you can't get Chinese or Korean, but it implies a much lower demand at this time. This is actually a brand new development from just 1 year ago, when we couldn't get enough CHILINGs. And what you said about bonuses are true - at least for now.
Secondly, push-button E-4 is now delayed until after completion of ACLP at your first duty station. This means delays in pay, but it also means that (for the first time in years) all new CTIs will actually get a rated eval from the DLI. Oddly, since you're "auto" E-4 still, it's pretty much always an automatic MP. Another downside is there's no frocking ceremony at the DLI. Your paperwork goes through and you just put them on when you report to your division after training. It's a shame, but the Navy is caught in a vortex of doom between shrinking funds and expanding mission, so they have to save money somewhere and linguists are really expensive toys.
Also, for families: If you are an Asian linguist, your primary duty locations are NIOC HI's shore facility, DIRSUP Surface, DIRSUP Subs (both 100% in Pearl Harbor) and Misawa-based Air Crew. There are very few first-term assignments elsewhere. If you become an Asian linguist, you will have your family sent out there with you; it's not an issue for CTI's.
There is still a NIOC located at NIOC YOKO with a small DIRSUP component, but it's mostly surface CTRs and maybe a couple CTTs; no linguist billets. I'm fairly certain that overcrowding is the main reason we aren't stationed there - or anywhere else in Japan.
If you get a choice, the things to consider are:
- Hawaii is almost assured. Hawaii is not bad. COLA is super-high, and facilities are alright (base housing is usually nice, although a tad small). However, it's as remote as you can possibly be and still be on planet Earth. The local culture is annoying to some, and education is not so great (teachers are usually good, but the gov't and school board don't consider education a priority.)
Lots of people get island fever; especially spouses. My wife hates that I get to travel the world while she's stuck in HI. Road trips are limited to 30 miles. Oh, but did I mention you have the world's greatest beaches and lovely warm weather year-round? (avg high 85; avg low 68)
Middle Eastern: Usually Ft. Gordon, GA. Very low cost of living. It's 2 hours from the nearest big city (Atlanta), which means a boring locale, but great weekend trips (the beach is also about 2 hrs away). Augusta is beautiful and not a bad place to raise a family, especially if money is a concern. I'm biased to Atlanta, since I grew up there, but it's a pretty sweet place to be. Oh, and did I mention they have Chik-fil-A? There's no Chik-fil-A in Hawaii.
DIRSUP optempo for both locales is pretty heavy. The biggest difference is the ports you'll see. I've seen Japan, Guam, Singapore, Guambodia, Japan, and the Guammappines, all of which were very fun and beautiful. The Middle East is, by contrast... hot. Everyone I've met who deployed there mentions how bad everything smells.
Shore commands tend to stick nubs on the watchfloor, which others can probably lament about better than I can. However, CNO is also a recently up-and-coming job for several languages.
You will not likely be TAD (with the exception of annual language training) unless you are assigned to a DIRSUP billet. As I said, both Arabic and Chinese deploy a LOT. Don't expect to see much of your family for 2.5 years. Other languages, well it really depends on world events, but these two are pretty steady.
Overall, being a linguist is not a bad job. It's demanding, but if you don't go in with a big head or crazy Hollywood-inspired expectations, it really is very satisfying. Certainly better than, say, being a CS or an undesignated seaman (I've done both). Most importantly, it gets your foot in the Intel Door, which is where all that big $ is at.
In the long run, assuming you have a language choice, I recommend going with what is interesting. Both Chinese and Arabic are pretty obviously going to be a big deal for the next couple decades. If you hate Asia, have a fear of languages that look like hieroglyphics, and just don't like Chinese food, then don't choose an Asian language. If you're fascinated with Islamic architecture, the impending oil crisis, or the roots and causes of terrorism in the Middle East, there's an obvious choice. Ultimately, the language is an important and required aspect of your future career, but there is more to it than that. What will be important as a primary focus will be your role as an area expert (at least, that's been my limited experience). High ranking officers are always asking me for info on this or that subject, and whenever we pull into Japan, my team hangs out with me because I can read Japanese (it's similar enough to Chinese that I was easily able to learn). I've gotten many free beers that way.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Ryuko098,
Its funny how they keep changed the policy on the mandatory E4/6 year enlistment - I was the last fully trained CTISN in the fleet who didn't get busted down! (DLI, Goodfellow, Basic R/T operator Qualed) I initially enlisted only for 4 years (yes, they let me do that as a CTI in the mid-1990s), but then had to sign a page 13 to extend. I was the last 9212 of my generation who went to my first duty station as a SN and not a PO3 - ironic, because I still made CTI2 at the exact same time as all my classmates. They didn't get much of a promotion ceremony either - the biggest ceremony I got was when I promoted to E-3 at DLI because the 2-star in charge of Naval Postgraduate School officiated...
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