So does this mean war?

Here we go!

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North Korea threatens to attack South if ships searched

By Jon Herskovitz

SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea, facing international censure for this week's nuclear test, threatened on Wednesday to attack the South after it joined a U.S.-led plan to check vessels suspected of carrying equipment for weapons of mass destruction.

In Moscow, news agencies quoted an official as saying that Russia is taking precautionary security measures because it fears mounting tensions over the test could escalate to war.


Adding to mounting tension in the region, South Korean media reported that Pyongyang had restarted a plant that makes plutonium that can be used in nuclear bombs.


North Korea's latest threat came after Seoul announced, following the North's nuclear test on Monday, it was joining the U.S.-led Proliferation Security Initiative, launched under the George W. Bush administration as a part of its "war on terror."


"Any hostile act against our peaceful vessels including search and seizure will be considered an unpardonable infringement on our sovereignty and we will immediately respond with a powerful military strike," a North Korean army spokesman was quoted as saying by the official KCNA news agency.


He reiterated that the North was no longer bound by an armistice signed at the end of the 1950-53 Korean War because Washington had ignored its responsibility as a signatory by drawing Seoul into the anti-proliferation effort.

The U.N. Security Council is discussing ways to punish Pyongyang for Monday's test...

They have said as much before but now with a gun in their hand perhaps they intend to throw down and see what they can take down before the UN sues for peace.
Kim standing on a balcony tonight starring out to the horizon, "KIM" his mates call "what are you looking for up there?"
Kim looks back, smiles and turns again to the horizon facing east, He said "A war my friends, a war."
I think this time Kim may have found a real one.

Just more details on the escalating situation:

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Agence France-Presse - 5/29/2009 5:24 PM GMT
NKorea vows response if UN imposes sanctions

North Korea fired another short-range missile on Friday and threatened fresh steps if world powers impose sanctions for its nuclear test, amid signs it may be readying a new long-range launch.

With US and South Korean troops on high alert at the border, Chinese fishing boats were reported to be leaving the area in the Yellow Sea that was the scene of deadly naval clashes in 1999 and 2002 between the two Koreas.

The communist North, which has warned it could launch an attack on the South, vowed to respond to any fresh sanctions imposed by the United Nations.

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Tensions have been running high since Kim Jong-Il's regime tested a nuclear bomb on Monday for the second time and renounced the armistice that ended the Korean War in 1953.

In Washington, two US defence officials said that satellite photos suggest that North Korea may be preparing to launch a long-range ballistic missile.

Vehicle movements at a missile site in North Korea resemble work done before North Korea fired a long-range rocket last month, the officials told AFP on condition of anonymity.

The UN Security Council unanimously condemned last month's missile launch. In response, North Korea stormed out of a US-backed six-nation disarmament deal.

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South Korea and the United States put their troops on the Korean peninsula on higher alert on Thursday, and Seoul's defence ministry said forces were keeping a close watch on the land and sea border with the North.

North Korea test-fired another missile off its east coast Friday, the sixth this week, according to South Korea's Yonhap news agency.

There was no immediate confirmation but the agency's reports of five launches earlier this week were later confirmed by Pyongyang.

US Defence Secretary Robert Gates, en route to a regional security meeting in Singapore, accused the North of "very provocative, aggressive" actions but tried to play down the threat.

Gates said he was unaware of any unusual troop movements in the North, which has around 1.1 million soldiers, compared with 680,000 South Korean and 28,500 US troops south of the border.

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The North could also stage a third nuclear test but this would come much later than the other steps, Yang said.

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Pyongyang warned Wednesday that it could not guarantee the safety of US or South Korean ships after Seoul said it was joining a US-led international effort to stop the trade in weapons of mass destruction.

Many experts believe, however, that the North is not yet able to deliver a nuclear weapon by missile...

To quote Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto “I fear all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve.” i believe that if North Korea attacks the South this quote will be all to appropriate for them.

The North Korean government has never really acknowledged the 1953 Armistice. As far as the North Korean people know the North won the war and that their military is the best in the world. Citizens are brainwashed from birth to believe that they are living in a workers paradise and believe that their Dear Leader would never steer them wrong...

"Kim Jong-il doesn’t care if it is a no-win situation, he is a nut. He is crazy enough to believe he could win. He is also sick, probably dying. There is a power struggle amongst North Korean leadership. As has happened in the past, dictators use wars as an excuse to get the people behind them and shore up their power."

North Korean citizens have been lied to there whole lives, believing in fake ideals. They are brainwashed into believing that his birth was foretold by a Bird and heralded by the appearance of a double rainbow over a mountain and by a new star in the heavens. They believe that Kim Jong-il is more like a god than a man. The reason i say this is because North Korea is so isolated there citizens have no idea of how good people have it outside their country. At the time of the Korean War and in the years following it North Korea was like South Korea today its economy was strong and there was no end in sight thanks to Kim Il-sung's Juche Ideology. Today its the complete opposite, South Korea has thrived while the North have for years been living in poverty with the people starving to death, but the people still believe that the whole world is living worse then them.

I honestly believe that if the North invades the South the DPRK Soldiers (who are Malnourished) will see how well the South Korean citizens live and how they have been lied to for so long. I believe that after they see how they live versus them (examples being how they never have breaks in there electricity in the night. How highways and roads are filled with cars. How no one is dying of starvation, No Forced labor camps.) they are going to realize that they were lied to there whole lives. I think that a lot of there soldiers will go AWOL and try to stay in the South and eventually work against the North.

Kim Jong-il is only in power now because he established ignorance of the outside world in his country. Total isolation is the only way socialism will work, and if the people ever get wise and figure out that they are living a lie i think that the citizens will revolt. Kim Jong-il will not risk his regime by invading the South. Invading the South would mean the downfall of North Korea.

I believe with all my heart that our military is the best the world has ever seen and in a conventional war we would win. i would take 680000 ROK soldiers and our 28000 other troops stationed on the peninsula over their million malnourished soldiers any day of the week, especially with no China backing them. North Korea doesn't have the capability to make a Nuclear bomb they are trying to test our new administration and i believe they are trying to groom a successor to Kim Jong-il. Dictators use war and fear as an excuse to get the people behind them.

I don't think anything will come of this, but if it does we better pack a lunch because i have a feeling that its going to take a while. If we do go to war we have to end it right with Korea being reunified as one republic nation. I really do feel bad for the North Korean people i hope that one day they will know how it feels to be free to make there own decisions.

A notable update is at the ff. IN THE NEWS thread below:"North Korea vows to use nukes in "merciless offensive" if provoked" thread of military.com

Another notable update:

"China, Russia agree to support US on North Korea curbs" IN THE NEWS thread of military.com

Here is am excerpt from a story that I started several years ago


The passive wait and see live and let live, US government had just been taken over by what they called themselves the New Social Democrats, in a highly contested election that took months to determine the outcome. The republicans lost by a mere 12 votes and 1 college electorate
Chapter 4
MR Social President SIR we are hearing that up in North Korea the Supreme Dictator President has said he is going to build and test long range multi warhead ballistic missiles. HE says this is to ward off an attack by the US.
Oh they will be good as long as we only limit their ability to do business in the world through sanctions, I don’t think he would be so rash as to actually try and develop a ballistic weapons delivery system such as that.
But SIR! This is the approach of School girl thinking both by our congress and other governments around the world for the past 30 years we are to blame for any escalation in NK’s nuclear activities whether we want to admit it or not. I suggest we stop one of his ships on the seas just outside of NK’s territorial waters do an inspection then detain it the maximum amount of time allowed by UN policy. To try and Force that sawed off fat slope head to make a stand. Then when he does and if he has any bits between his legs he surely will, we take every wrecked car in the scrap yards and bail them up into square blocks with 200 pounds of explosives inside each one load them all on the bellies of every long range bomber the US has fly them over NK at the highest altitude they can climb to and just open the bomb-bay doors ant let them fall, we should do this until every scrap yard in the US is empty or NK becomes completely covered in shrapnel a foot deep near and around all of its military facilities. I say we Stop *****footing around with these pipsqueaks, and when some weak in the knees liberal squawks about killing innocents. We respond by dropping a smart bomb on their head no matter if they live in Zurich, Geneva, and Washington DC, California, Chicago, or bugaboo land. When it is all over with South Korea will have free access to the largest scrap steel deposit in the world.
But general we can’t

This excerpt was written by Frank Surber all right’s reserved

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Originally posted by galloglas:
They have said as much before but now with a gun in their hand perhaps they intend to throw down and see what they can take down before the UN sues for peace.
Kim standing on a balcony tonight starring out to the horizon, "KIM" his mates call "what are you looking for up there?"
Kim looks back, smiles and turns again to the horizon facing east, He said "A war my friends, a war."
I think this time Kim may have found a real one.

I doubt if Kimy or his son soon to take over has much to worry about with the Obeyme Administration that Mutt (his words)doesn't have the cjoes to do much more than appear on Saturday night live or Jimmy Kimble,I"ll leave it at that, not to get into a rawl over what I suspect was not a legal candidate anyway.

We the (usa) will be at war by the end of the year with N.K . I just hope BHO wont let them kill too many of us before then....ps y stop people from inlisting just becsuse of an GED I made an 75 on the asvab at meps .But cant fight for the place i love..I wish Bush was back in office.........

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Originally posted by 18235646:
We the (usa) will be at war by the end of the year with N.K . I just hope BHO wont let them kill too many of us before then....ps y stop people from inlisting just becsuse of an GED I made an 75 on the asvab at meps .But cant fight for the place i love..I wish Bush was back in office.........

when I joined we still had the draft but I knew that I would never be able to afford to finish high school My dad Had been a Marine in WWII and in Korea I wanted to be a Marine but couldn't see myself ever completing High school I knew you had to have a HS diploma to get into the Corps but at that time you could get into the army even without your GED I could have waited another couple of years and probably been drafted but I saw an opportunity to Better myself by joining the Army instead of waiting to see if I would get drafted. I managed to receive some extremely high scores on my AFQT this enabled me to name my MOS selection by taking night exams I got my HS equivalency during my first AIT and several hours of college credits during my next subsequent AITs over the years I have now received a PHD in engineering
in my personal opinion the policy changes about joining the Military in the past 40 years have been more of a detriment in filling the ranks with quality personnel than an advantage.

If the door is not closed and locked to you joining then I would suggest you speak with a recruiting counselor there may be a possibility they may be able to help you If you scored high enough on a GED there is always the possibility that your previous High school can convert it to a regular diploma.
I believe that everyone who is willing to step up and serve should have every opportunity extended to them that is available
Even to the point of bending or tossing out a few small minded bureaucratic rules if quality willing persons desire to fulfill their obligations of being a Citizen, for that is the way I feel about it that no one is a full citizen unless they have served their country.
Yes this will raise a huge rawl over such a statement but I firmly feel that no Man or woman should be a full citizen of the US without having served in one of the selective services.

At war with NK??? And just who do you think in the BHO Administration /dictatorship will have the cajoles to go to war with them NO! this is puffing of the pinfeathers on NK’s part to play chicken it is a game to him he knows from past experiences that if he huffs up enough the rest of the world will whimper like little lost puppies then he will say he will reduce this or that to entice them to loosen trade restrictions of pad his pockets with money that they think will be going to humanitarian aid. The Best thing to do with him is just exactly like a chapter from a story that I wrote and be shut of his or anyone like him for good. Yes people will die but how many die every day anyway.

Another notable update:

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Agence France-Presse - 6/15/2009 8:35 PM GMT
SKorean leader in US as NKorea tension soars
South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak on Monday started a visit to the United States to plan action on North Korea, which staged a giant rally in a defiant show of support for its nuclear drive.

The US Congress approved a resolution supporting Lee against the North hours after he arrived. Lee was due to meet late Monday with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton before a summit Tuesday with President Barack Obama.

Lee was expected to ask Obama for explicit security guarantees after North Korea tested a nuclear bomb, stormed out of a six-nation disarmament accord and scrapped six decades of accords with the South.

The North's ruling party newspaper Rodong Sinmun said Monday that Lee's request was "intolerable" and said that such commitment would be "virtually formalizing a provocation for nuclear war."

Dennis Blair, the US intelligence chief, said Monday that a scientific analysis concluded that North Korea "probably" carried out its second-ever nuclear test in May with a yield of "a few kilotons."

The UN Security Council last week tightened sanctions against North Korea over the test, including calling for stricter inspections of cargo suspected of containing banned missile and nuclear-related items.

North Korean state media said that some 100,000 people rallied in Pyongyang against the UN Security Council resolution, blaming Washington for organizing it.

North Korea is ready to "deal telling blows at the vital parts of the US and wipe out all its imperialist aggressor troops no matter where they are in the world," military officer Pak Jae-Gyong was quoted as telling the rally.

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The destructive capacity of North Korea's nuclear test is 2 kilotons. Her first test was 1 kiloton. 2 kilotons was the one used in Hiroshima. The Communist Party of USA condemned the test. CPUSA invoked having fraternal relations with the Communist Party of the Philippines-New People's Army when prompted by AFP journalists to also conndemn the heinous crimes of CPP-NPA but CPUSA invoked fraternal relations with communist parties of the world. How come he did not come up with this argument. Nuclear testing is as heinous as the crimes of CPP-NPA like recruiting minors, use of land mines, arson, murder, bribery, torching of buses, co-principal to frustrated and atttempted wrongful dismissals.

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drop some stealth bombers in on his little a.. and unload some some g.p bunker killers on his grubby little monster.

Yahoo News: NKorea warns US of 'thousand-fold' military action

SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea warned Wednesday of a "thousand-fold" military retaliation against the U.S. and its allies if provoked, the latest threat in a drumbeat of rhetoric in defense of its rogue nuclear program.

Japanese and South Korean news reports said North Korea is preparing an additional site for test-firing a long-range missile that experts say could be capable of striking the United States. Russia's deputy defense minister reportedly said it would shoot down any missile headed its way.

The warning of a military strike, carried by the North's state media, came hours after President Barack Obama declared North Korea a "grave threat" to the world and pledged that recent U.N. sanctions on the communist regime will be aggressively enforced.

Obama and South Korean President Lee Myung-bak met in Washington Tuesday for a landmark summit in which the two leaders agreed to build a regional and global "strategic alliance" to persuade North Korea to dismantle all its nuclear weapons.

Pyongyang claims its nuclear bombs are a deterrent against the United States and accuses Washington of plotting with Seoul to topple its secretive regime — led by the unpredictable dictator Kim Jong Il who is reportedly preparing to hand over power to his 26-year-old youngest son.

"If the U.S. and its followers infringe upon our republic's sovereignty even a bit, our military and people will launch a one hundred- or one thousand-fold retaliation with merciless military strike," the government-run Minju Joson newspaper said in a commentary.


(you can read the rest on Yahoo.news)

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Originally posted by Canuck_Centaur:
So does this mean war?

Technically, they've been at war for 60 years.

In almost all previous wars the US has been involved in Leaflets were droped even candy has been dropped.
I doubt if the US still has any long range ballistic missles and wouldn't want t oshow its hand if there is. after th edescelation of the cold war.
but The US has Subs patrolling every Sea on the planet take one of those missles replace the warheads with leaflets
on these have these words
<( This was just a friendly test.had this not been a test all of you would be dead. To the good people of North Korea you might want to consider the outcome of your leaders actions of his recent rantings to the world. trying to prevoke a war between the US and himself Be rest assured his insane actions has been noticed throughout the world and no one is in agreement with the way he chooses to force you to live.
We understand this is difficult for you to comprehend these kind words. Please rest assured that there are 6.5 Billion people on this planet it is a whole lot bigger than you can know. and we The people of the US do not desire in any way to harm any one of you, we never have wanted to harm any of you, we don't aske you to take our words for this you will find inclosed in this note a US $5.00 bill use it to give to your minders for access to the Internet,incase you have never heard of it it is a global cummunications medium by which people all over the world can enjoy and talk to other peoples.If your leader continues about his insanity you might want to find a place to hide because he is going to get some of you killed.
MR Kim jong Il cease and desist your childish actions and join the rest of the world that we may all live together in peace rather than die in pieces.)> I think a dozen or so of these should do the trick one way or the other. One way the peasants of NK possibly could rise up against him in which case the US could go in and effect an act of humanitarian aid to help the NKs in their plight without making scene.
the other would be he out come I would expect, the screwball would try to overtake SK again in which case the US already has the right of deffence as SK has been under semi protection from the US for 55 years.
Either way the world is shut of him and his ILK. MY only hope is that the preseant administration has the intestineal fortitude to do anything.

Is Kim-Jong a narcissist?
Yes!
Are the people of North Korea brainwashed?
Yes!
Is Kim-Jong crazy and or stupid enough to use a nuclear weapon to start another shooting war on the Korean peninsula?
Sadly YES!
The only way to deal with people of his ilk is to bring them closer to whatever god they worship and if his son is anything like children in the USA he will do his damndest to prove that he is better than his father and is very likely to do something infinitely more stupid than his father or grandfather ever dreamed.

One of the things wrong with my previous post is when dealing with a people who have never known any other form of leadership other than absolute tyrany for much or all of their lives . You cannot expect them to ever rise up from within or to follow any power from without who is trying to help them.
because their way of life is all they have ever known. It is much the same way as when a group of persons are taken hostage during a bank robery the longer they are hostages the more they start to sympathize with the criminals after a period of time many will even refuse rescue
brainwashing can be carried out in a relitively short time.

If Kim Il were killed by any outside force such as a black OPS then the people would respond in a totally negitive manner of the planned desires of the wouldbe liberating force.
Much the same as what the colalition forces faced in Iraq after Sadam was removed.
Any change has to come from within and until suffiecent numbers of North Korean people become thinkers and desirous of a new type of leadership the rest of the world sadley is stuck with these Self agrandized tyrants who believe everyone is out to get them.
Look at Iran for instance We the outside world are pretty much for the most part I believe are convienced that the past election was a fraud.
What can anyone do about it ? Absolutely nothing. Fortunatly and hopefully the many hundreds of thousands of young Iranians not only question this but are continueing to mount pressure on their government and the real leaders of Iran. I beleive we will see a major change there in the next few years.
I know several people from Iran and none of them are anything like their Government is.
I have met a few North Koreans who no longer live in NK they are regular folks like everyone else, and hate their leader While rightfully so still love their homelands.

should we take action against N.Korea for the Nuclear crisis? I believe so yes, i believe that we should give them an option and stick to it firmly this time. Either they dismantle their nuclear weapons program and only persue nuclear power which i dont see as a bad offer. The second part though is the fact that the United States has the most Nuclear weapons out of all countries in the world, so who are we to tell someone they are not allowed to have nuclear weapons just because we deam them to be "wmd's" (weapons of mass destruction). It is just a thought to pass over thats all, because i agree that they are not a nation to be trusted with these kinds of weapons.