i'm letting you know that Australia has the worst guns laws around

The Duke

Most Australians would argue they are some of the best.

Makes me glad that I live in a pro-gun American state. Sucks to live in Australia I guess, but hey it's still a nice place to visit...

Farmers can still have a rifle (which is the most important thing) as can most sport shooters if they have the right paperwork and checks. On top of that, weapons have to be stored in a specific safe which can be checked at any time.

Australian police carry pistols but whenever they are taken out of their holster it is practically front page news and if shots are fired, wow, BIG news. I also like British coppers, no weapon at all but when they call SO19 (or it might be SO6 now) watch out.

It not that our gun-laws are the worst around, it that our two countries were brought up in a very different manner. Australian people are not into weapons the same way some others are. Even most soldiers don't care for rifles in a big way. Don't knock other peoples way of life just because it differs to yours. We love the fact guns are strictly controlled and kept off the streets as much as possible.

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Originally posted by AussieMedic:
Farmers can still have a rifle (which is the most important thing) as can most sport shooters if they have the right paperwork and checks. On top of that, weapons have to be stored in a specific safe which can be checked at any time.

Australian police carry pistols but whenever they are taken out of their holster it is practically front page news and if shots are fired, wow, BIG news. I also like British coppers, no weapon at all but when they call SO19 (or it might be SO6 now) watch out.

It not that our gun-laws are the worst around, it that our two countries were brought up in a very different manner. Australian people are not into weapons the same way some others are. Even most soldiers don't care for rifles in a big way. Don't knock other peoples way of life just because it differs to yours. We love the fact guns are strictly controlled and kept off the streets as much as possible.

Some of you love that the guns are strictly controlled........not all of you.

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Originally posted by AussieMedic:
We love the fact guns are strictly controlled and kept off the streets as much as possible.

600 million Aussie dollars later, how many criminals turned their guns in?

How many crimes have been avoided because the criminal could not get their hands on a stolen weapon? A weapon taken from a gun owners house during a robbery.

I bet not all Americans love the fact practically ANYONE can own a gun in the US.

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Originally posted by AussieMedic:
How many crimes have been avoided because the criminal could not get their hands on a stolen weapon? A weapon taken from a gun owners house during a robbery.

Why don't you tell us? See if you can dig up any stats as to how many crimes were prevented because law abiding citizens gave up their guns? I betc you can't.

I bet not all Americans love the fact practically ANYONE can own a gun in the US.

You are correct. Not all Americans do like it. But then not everyone likes to be a sheep to the slaughter.....But in states/cities where gun control laws are extremely tough.....crime with guns is rampant. In states/cities where gun control laws are not so severe crimes with guns are statisticly lower and in states where Concealed Carry laws have been passed, gun related crime is even lower still.

There was a huge article about this. Saying after the millions of dollars spent it didn't lower crime at all. It is the stupidest idea I've ever heard of. Think about this if you make a law who is going to listen? The law abiding citizens! Criminals are just that. The last time I checked rape, murder, and drugs were all illegal right. Well they happen every day. How many rapes and murders would be prevented if the victim was educated in gun safety and had a weapon to defend themselves with?

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Originally posted by mx918mx:
How many rapes and murders would be prevented if the victim was educated in gun safety and had a weapon to defend themselves with?

How many guns may be on the street that were ripped from the hands of a licensed gun owner? Or as I mentioned before, from their house.

As for the states that have controls opposed to others that don't, think about how easy it is for guns to be taken across a state line! Hence, uniform gun control is the answer. It will not work if everyone has a different policy.

Look, we both have different views about this but I just didn't like the first post. It made no sense.

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Originally posted by AussieMedic:

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Originally posted by mx918mx:
How many rapes and murders would be prevented if the victim was educated in gun safety and had a weapon to defend themselves with?

How many guns may be on the street that were ripped from the hands of a licensed gun owner? Or as I mentioned before, from their house.

As for the states that have controls opposed to others that don't, think about how easy it is for guns to be taken across a state line! Hence, uniform gun control is the answer. It will not work if everyone has a different policy.

Look, we both have different views about this but I just didn't like the first post. It made no sense.

Ever hear of the BLACK MARKET, it puts illegal guns in the hand of criminals. I'll bet there are a few AK's sitting arround somewhere in Australia (and I don't mean in police or military use), and post '86 machine guns in the hands of gang bangers and other criminals here in the States.

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Originally posted by AussieMedic:

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Originally posted by mx918mx:
How many rapes and murders would be prevented if the victim was educated in gun safety and had a weapon to defend themselves with?

How many guns may be on the street that were ripped from the hands of a licensed gun owner? Or as I mentioned before, from their house.

As for the states that have controls opposed to others that don't, think about how easy it is for guns to be taken across a state line! Hence, uniform gun control is the answer. It will not work if everyone has a different policy.

Look, we both have different views about this but I just didn't like the first post. It made no sense.

Again you ignore the FACT that criminals will get a gun if they want one whether they are banned or not.

Gun control laws ONLY keep guns out of the hands of LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.

And also again, you failed to provide any stats as to how many crimes were prevented because there were none to be stolen from an individuals home. You keep hammering this as your main point. Provide some stats to back it up. Again, I bet you can't.

You are correct, we do have different views.

Aussie ask your government why crime is going up in Australia?

And explain why violent crime in US is going DOWN while legal gun ownership is up??

Could it be that criminals are afraid of armed citizens?

Or do you seriously think that the police can protect everyone?

NEWS FLASH, the job of the police is not to protect anyone; they are not bodyguards. They dont prevent crimes, they arrest suspects!

If you dont believe me, ask your government about crime stats!!!!

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/cfi/cfi115.html

I actually just got back from a Overseas Ex but thanks anyway

AussieMedic
what can ya say grunts an jar heads gotta have it there way, all the time.whats your A/O here.
In AUS.

Steve

Only with my unit at the moment. Looking for any deployment I can really!

I am an American gun owner and actually like Aussie's posts: He's right, too. . .two different cultures.

I would bet tons of American armed crimes are committed with guns stolen from out of law-abiding homes, and I would bet he's also right that more folks are killed with stolen weapons than criminals deterred by armed citizens. Can't prove it, but still believe it is true.

And, yes, criminals can get a gun easily in the United States 'cause they're everywhere. I would bet a criminal would have a very hard time finding a "piece" in Japan or Australia, unless he was well connected.

And, yes. . .there are tons of Americans that would like stricter gun control, but apparently even more that oppose it: Thus the present stance.

The reason many Americans can't believe that other countries can be so different in their viewpoints is that so many Americans are so blamed ignorant of other countries and cultures. . .gets us in heaps of trouble around the globe, too, in case no one noticed.

Now, in America, the genie is out of the bottle. That's just the way it is. There are 200+ million firearms floating around this country, and you're not going to reel them in with a bunch of laws. So, in the United States, the Australian solution probably isn't one.

Secondly, there is a very strong anti-government, rather anarchistic tradition in the United States that is not extant in European cultures in general. We just don't like the government telling us what to do. For example, there is no way in h- - - that the American people would stand for their gun safes or whatever to be checked without notice by the police. We just wouldn't: I wouldn't. It's just the way we are. We would rather have our high violent crime rate than Big Brother. Is that right or wrong? It's neither. . .it's just the way we are.

But don't go telling Aussie he's full 'O crap just because Australia isn't the United States.

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But in states/cities where gun control laws are extremely tough.....crime with guns is rampant. In states/cities where gun control laws are not so severe crimes with guns are statisticly lower and in states where Concealed Carry laws have been passed, gun related crime is even lower still.

This is often rolled out as fact, but it just isn't true. The highest guns homicides per capita are in the states with the most lax gun purchase and carry laws. Here's the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

I own guns. . .I LIKE guns. . .but I won't make up statistics.

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Originally posted by n52nimbus:

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But in states/cities where gun control laws are extremely tough.....crime with guns is rampant. In states/cities where gun control laws are not so severe crimes with guns are statisticly lower and in states where Concealed Carry laws have been passed, gun related crime is even lower still.

This is often rolled out as fact, but it just isn't true. The highest guns homicides per capita are in the states with the most lax gun purchase and carry laws. Here's the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

I own guns. . .I LIKE guns. . .but I won't make up statistics.

Do those stats include self deffense shootings?