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So they medically retired you for a TEMPORARY disability? Yeah, I dont understand that one either. Any way you roll the dice, you're probably done. A RE 4 from the Army pretty much seals it, as does the word "Retirement". Coupled with the fact that you still have a disability rating, I highly doubt any branch of the Service is going to take you. Asthma is generally a PDQ. You cant even take your case to the DRB or BCMR...the DRB cant reverse medical decisions, and time is up for the BCMR (3 years) You'll basically have to prove you dont have asthma down the road---if that's even possible---and hope the Army changes its policy on accepting RE 4's. | |||
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Talked to the recruiter today and he told me to search HRC St. Louis on Google and follow that page and it would lead to a place where you can print a form and request a correction and have that code changed to a 3 code. He said it will probably take a month or so. Followed instructions and i just got confused. I can not figure this thing out. It mentions a DD215 to make corrections to a DD214, but the DD215 is not available online anywhere. I have spent 3 hours trying to figure this out, and I just cant get it... | |||
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Apply to the BCMR with a DD Form 149 requesting a change to your Separation and Reentry Codes. You still have about a month left to do it before the 3 year window of opportunity closes. If the BCMR decides to change your codes, you will be sent a DD 215. A DD 215 is given only if there were errors on the DD 214. The burden of proof is on you to prove those errors. I'd get all the medical documentation possible supporting your claim, make copies and attach them to the DD Form 149. | |||
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My husband was discharged back in 1994 from the Navy with an RE4 Honorable Discharge and a JFX code. He desparately wants back in but doesn't know what to do. ANY HELP PLEASE.... | |||
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Greetings, I would like to ask the folks here for advice..maybe they has a similar experience. I want to join the Army Reserves. I am 35 and know what I would be getting into. I went into the recruiter and talked to them. I took in my DD214 and it blew their mind. I was in the Navy in 90-92. I was on medical hold after hurting my knee on the ship. While in a medical unit I was late for Muster due to being out drinking (I was 20) and got in trouble for underage drinking. I was sent in front of a Commander where I received an Other Than Honorable discharge, RE4 code, and a Separation Code of HKQ. The Army recruiters were amazed..to get a RE4 in the Army you have to hit an Officer..sell drugs..steal property..etc. They are right by a Navy Base here and said they see a LOT of Navy folks come in with a RE4 that shouldn't be..almost like the Navy says "If you aren't in the Navy you wont be in ANY branch!" They said that my OTH discharge is no biggie..the Separation code baffles them, and if I can change my RE to a 1 or 2 its best, 3 is doable. I want to join. I feel remorse for my past mistake and want to make it right with myself. I know my chances of going to war are quite good, and I know what its like there, and I want to do my part. I want my Niece to have someone to look up to. I want others to know you CAN make things right. My question is..what are my chances? Should I just file the DD293 and hope..or hire/find a Lawyer? How do I go about it. BTW..the LTCmdr that did my discharge was kicked out 6 months later for shafting people..ironic isnt it? Thanks again for the help!! | |||
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Seems everyone is asking if they can get back in and stating what their codes are. I was able to get back in, I enlisted in the CA ARNG this month. I was medically discharged from the Marine Corps in 1995 with 10% disability. I had a General Under Honorable, sep code was JFL1, narrative reason for seperation was physical disability with severance pay. RE code was RE-3P. Stress fracture was what I had. I went to MEPS passed my physical with all 1's. I went to a doctor of my own had the fracture x rayed. Doc said it was an old well healed fracture with no signs of acute lesions (what that means I dont know). That was attached to my waiver. It was about a 24 hour wait period for it to come back approved. I am going to my first drill this weekend. I really didnt know anything about the Guard so they were the last people I went to. I tried the Marines AD/res, Navy AD/res Army RES. The Marine Corps basically didnt want nothing to do with me, they went through the motions but nothing reallu every came out of it. I tried the Navy, that was a long process and in the end they were over manned. I went to the Army reserve but was told with a general under honorable I wasnt able to join. I was directed to the Guard, after 20 months and 3 different recruiters I got in. From deciding to come back in to the Marines to swearing in with the Guard was 7 years. So it is possible to get back in, but I tried to make it as easy as I could for the recruiters. I had all paper work that was required brought extra copies for them. I stayed on top of them but didnt push them. | |||
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JFX = Personality Disorder. This Separation Code covers basically all mental disorders, regardless of whether they are classified as "Personality Disorders" in the DSM-IV or not. I found that out myself, I was diagnosed with Adjustment Disorder and discharged with code JFX. So there's really two variables here in getting a waiver: 1. What type of mental disorder was he diagnosed with and 2. Does he still have it Regardless of how you answer those 2 questions, it is difficult to get a waiver approved for an individual who was discharged for a mental disorder. The military will see a liability. If it was mild and temporary and he has documentation from a licensed psychiatrist showing that he no longer has the mental disorder, he might have a shot at a waiver. Another issue here is medication. If he was ever on medication, he'll need documentation showing what he was on, how long he was on it and how long he's been off it. | |||
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Thanks for the response. I am not sure why they told me the OTH was no biggie..the only thing they said they were concerned with was the RE code and the Sep Code. If I went to a RE3 I could get a waiver, RE2 and RE1 are no waiver needed. I know I had read tonight that I had 3 years to have my RE code changed and 15 years to have my discharge status changed (I am within that as my discharge date was 1992FEB19) but that the time can be extended for certain reasons. I was 20..I was pi$$ed off at the Navy and wasnt using my head, didn't belong in there at the time. I want to do my part now. Its called growing up. I joined because my sister was in and I was told i was joining, she felt it was best for me but I wasnt ready. I had a LOT of growing up to do, and have done it. I have seen things, done things, and know this would help complete my life. It amazes me that people are trying to get out by the droves, and here are some folks willing todo their duty and its heck getting in. If this was 3 years ago for me..I would understand. Its been 14 years, I am a man now,I have people who look up to me, and I want to show them that no matter what, do the right thing. Be it the 1st time or the 20th time..do it. I wasnt exactly helped in my discharge. I was on medical hold for my knee, they didnt fix it. I wasnt even given a proper dental exam upon discharge as it states so on my DD214. I was strong armed out and I didnt know any better. When you are young, sometimes you just dont know better or you think those above you who you look up to no matter what know best. Trust me..it was a lesson I learned well from now. | |||
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Hi all, straight answer please. USNR '86-'88. Administrative discharge of OTH due to UNSAT PARTICIPATION. I received my records from NARA and they state: A DD Form 214, Report of Separation, was not issued because the veteran had no active service or less than 90 consecutive days of active duty for training. The enclosed documents show verification of reserve service. All the while I completed 8.5 weeks of basic and 12 weeks of corps school. I'm trying to enlist in the Army or ARNG. Is it at all possible? The ARNG recruiter I have spoken with double checked with NARA and they confirmed that no DD214 was issued. I would very much appreciate a clear answer as to whether I have a shot at either service. Thanks a Million. | |||
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CodyGrizz, Is there anything you've left out of your story? I cant see why you'd receive an OTH discharge unless there's more to the story that you've said. Did you ever get in trouble for anything else? I mean, it takes quite a few minor mars to a record just to warrant a General discharge, for an OTH you need some major screw-ups. Also, were you offered the option of a court-martial? If you were charged under an Article of the UCMJ, you are usually given the right to a trial by court-martial. OTH discharges are not usually given at random, and you usually have the right to a board hearing before an OTH discharge can be imposed. So here are the big questions: - Was a court-martial ever put on the table as an option, and if it was, did you accept the OTH discharge in lieu of court-martial? - How many times were you in trouble? You dont receive an OTH discharge for a night of under-age drinking. Holy sh*t, I got drunk on my 20th birthday, went to work with a hang-over and my NCOIC sent me home to sleep it off with a warning. I understand there are some differences in policy between the branches, but I cant see how a verbal warning in one branch is an OTH discharge in another. There has got to be more to the story. - Since the offense you state was alcohol-related, were you ever offered any type of treatment for alcohol abuse/dependancy? - What was the Navy's reason (if any) for not completing your medical treatment prior to discharge? How exactly were you injured? | |||
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I got in trouble one before, missing Muster on my ship, went in front of the old man, got a week of ship restriction. Thats pretty much it. I was by no means a 4.0 Sailor, nor was I the worst one either. I wasn't ready for the Navy, I went cause my sister told me to and I listen to her..its a Southern thing. And nope..didn't leave anything out, welcome to my nightmare. I wasn't given the option of Court Martial, was told I couldn't have people present to testify on my worth of staying in, etc. Its called being railroaded. Like I said I found out later that she was booted herself like 6 months later for doing this..found that out 10 years ago or so. Like my SepCode..HKQ."No Information on File"?? WTF?? You can boot me but no info? My Reason for Separation is "Misconduct- Commission of a Serious Offense". See the Navy is fun. They stockpile things. They actually have a book that says "If you can charge someone with this..then you can also charge with this". See..Underage drinking is also Disobeying a lawful order, conduct unbecoming, Failure to adhere to Military life, etc. Navy does it RIGHT!! Like I said the recruiter says they see the same crap ALL the time still, Navy giving RE4s for nothing, almost like they don't want people to have a chance to join a branch they might actually like and excel in. I wasn't offered rehab, why would I. I rarely drink at all, even to this day. I think in the Navy in 19 months I drank maybe..4 times? For a Squid thats nothing!lol . I did attend, on my own before it happened, a command drinking awareness course. Navy..as do other branches I am sure..offer classes all the time on things, and we sign up for them to break the humdrum life sometimes. I also did the USS Buttercup..a sinking ship shoring simulator among other school..THAT makes ya wanna drink!! The LtCmdr that did my Mast said the Navy didn't have to fix my knee, but if I choose to pursue them having to, which I would lose, I would be sent to the Brig until my knee was taken care of and I could be taken off Medical hold. Which could be years. Umm..think at 20 you want to live in Prison waiting for some surgury, or would you rather live with pain and be free? Yeah..my thoughts too. I hurt it on the Ship during a General Quarters. Iwas coming through a portal, another Sailor sideswiped me (we are running, General Quarters is serious to us and I was a Scout) while he was trying to don his OBD and took me off my feet. I came off my feet, leveled in air, and came crashing down on my knee and side. It instantly swelled up an they had to evac me. It was pretty big. They had to drain fluid off it and I was in a Medical Hold Unit when I went out drinking roughly a month later. They were still trying to decide the best way to fix me when I was discharged. I mean its usable..I can join the Army still..I have spent since then healing and conditioning it. It still hurts sometimes and pops, but I can do my job and duty if let in, no problem. Heck I even want to be an MP, so from what I hear I MUST be a glutton for punishment. Again, I was 20, confused, pissed, and took what was told to me as truth. I mean you are taught to listen to the Chain of Command and take what is said to be that of the word of God, never question, and perform said words to a T. If I knew then what I know now A) I would have never joined the Navy b)wouldn't have allowed myself to be railroaded, and c)wouldn't be sitting here wanting to get in as I wouldn't have gotten out. I have a nice letter I wrote to the Navy boards I was going to send along with letters from my Niece, Sister, Ex of 7.5 years, her dad, and her 12yo daughter I raised for almost 8 years. I dont bash the Navy in any way. I still love the Navy and am proud of what it taught me and instilled in me. I learn things about me all the time that the Navy made me that I wasn't aware of. Im irked off at that one situation, not the Navy, and I should have fought kicking and screaming. | |||
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CodyGrizz I know where you're coming from. There Air Force has some of the same policies. While I was in tech school I had a pack of cigarettes in my wall locker. Tobacco products were legal for Phase III and higher at my previous tech school in the 362nd, so I took them with me to the 345th at Lackland when I got there. 345th didnt allow cigarettes regardless of Phase...Roommate saw them in my wall locker, told the NCOIC, I got hit with an LOR, RMT...because I was in violation of something like 3 Articles of the UCMJ---for a pack of cigarettes. That's how they do you. Fortunately my commander thought it was BS, so when it came time to review my PIF when I was being processed out of the Air Force, I still got an Honorable discharge. I still cant seem to understand how in the hell you got such a bum deal from the Navy over this. I can see a General discharge, but not an OTH. I'm going to agree you got screwed. You should DEFINITELY take this to the DRB. The RE 4 may stick, but I dont think the OTH will. Hell, there's people with fully HONORABLE discharges who get RE 4's. Aside from an easier time getting back into the military, a General discharge will also make you eligible for VA benefits. Personally, I'd avoid telling the DRB "I wasnt ready/mature enough for the Navy"...that's not going to reflect positively upon yourself. I'd focus on promotions, awards, decorations, letters of commendation, training/duty performance scores/ratings, things that show your record didnt warrant an OTH discharge. That's what the DRB will be interested in. You were 20 years old at the time...there have been literally millions of 20 year old sailors who performed exceptionally in the United States Navy over the past 200 years. You need to show that you may have made a few mistakes, but your service otherwise met or exceeded Navy standards. | |||
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You didnt get a DUI or drinking-on-duty or anything like that? How did you get caught drinking underage?Somebody rat you out or cops show up at a party or what? Simply getting caught drinking underage really isnt "Misconduct---Commission of a Serious Offense". DUI or drinking-on-duty may be. I still dont see OTH, regardless. I've personally known guys who had 2 DUIs, a couple others who popped positive on a urinalysis and got away with a General discharge. I've known two guys who received less than a General discharge---one got Bad Conduct for popping positive for ecstacy, but he also had a DUI and several Letters of Reprimand for other stuff prior, and I knew another guy in tech school who got an OTH for popping positive for pot on a urinalysis, but once again, he also had numerous Letters of Counseling and Letters of Reprimand. Not trying to pry, I'm just baffled by how you got such a sh*tty break. | |||
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I was popped by showing up late to Muster. When the Petty Officer was in my face he smelled booze. He asked me if I had been drinking, I said yes. I wasn't going to lie, I had been. All it took. Medical Hold in Charleston is next to the Detention center, so at least it was a quick trip. I never tested positive for any drugs, nor have I in the outside world. No other alcohol related incidents, never since then even. Just caught the Commander on a bad day maybe. I had been reprimanded before, as I said, but not bad enough for a OTH I think. I have requested my 201 File plus Medical records using a Form 180 Standard. Like I said I wasnt the best Sailor, but there were far worse. I could have done better, should have, but I didnt. Yes, there have been thousands of 20yo Sailors, and many of them have done amazing. I just messed up, took what was given to me, and now I want to go back in, do my part, and help where I can. Funny..all I want to do is serve. I am no Terrorist. Dont want to overthrow my Goverment. Aint looking to sell weapons to the Commies. I am a 35yo guy who wants to join the Army, get the training I need, and PROUDLY serve my Country and be someone that my family can look to and look up to. Maybe to some that seems stupid, to me its a damn important thing. | |||
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If I were you, I'd take my case to the DRB. Showing up late and under the influence, regardless of how old you were, definitely warranted punishment, though I still think an OTH discharge is excessive. Like I said, I've known people with multiple DUI's who fared better. Getting your discharge upgraded is really going to hinge on your performance other than that incident. Awards & decorations, performance ratings, test scores, commendations, and how many other bad marks you had on your Service record will be the deciding factors. If you never got promoted, didnt receive a single award or decoration, had average or below average ratings and had other reprimands on your record, the OTH may stick. Typically, you need a long history of misconduct or one extremely serious offense to walk away with less than a General discharge. Granted, showing up late and under the influence is sort of a big deal, but its not like you were smoking crack or got drunk and flipped your car. Its worth a try, regardless. The worst thing the DRB can do is deny your request for an upgrade. | |||
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To be honest, if I didn't want to join, I wouldn't even bother as even though it bugs me, its not anything big in my life. Yes, with my OTH I cant get the VA to do anything with my knee, but thats ok. I just want to serve. I mean if I had to hire a Lawyer to change it to get it, I would. It really is that important to me. And if the DRB DOES reject it, I will hire a lawyer to fight it. Some things in life ARE that important, its just a dang shame I didn't realize it back then. | |||
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Did the Navy cite a specific regulation you were in violation of and how violation of this reg warranted an OTH discharge? For instance, when I was being recommended for discharge, a letter to my commander cites AFI 36-3208 Paragraph 5.11.9. Another thing you may want to look into is whether the Navy's regulations have changed considerably since 1992. It may be that under current policy, your actions wouldnt warrant the type of discharge you received. Its worth looking into. The DRB looks for inequities and improprieties. Did the Navy follow its own procedures and did it follow its usual trends in determining the type of discharge you were to receive---these are the main factors the DRB is going to consider. That's why I asked about awards, decorations, ratings, promotions, etc. If you were otherwise a good sailor with few blemishes on your record, there was little reason for one isolated incident to result in an OTH discharge. That is exactly what the DRB will consider. So again, check up on the reg under which you were discharged and whether that reg has changed. That could be a huge booster in your case. | |||
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I am not sure what code I was charged with. I applied for my 201 file today that should have it I assume. I was told it had all that type of stuff, hope so. Also got my medical records coming. All in all..I was a good Sailor. Did my job, showed up on time, etc. Heck even in Detention I was made a company leader for marching where the unit needed to go and actually was in charge of escorting detainees where they needed to be. The Chief was baffled when I got booted for my charges..he didn't think they were warranted either. My sister actually wants me to join the American Legion, she thinks someone there could assist me. Who knows, maybe they can..just doesn't seem likely to me. | |||
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Hey guys, just checking in. Can anyone please clear up the situation I'm in? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I've been all over the internet and have spoken with two different recruiters, but I just seem to get conflicting information. Help, please. | |||
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The American Legion is an excellent organization in terms of help for veterans like yourself in need of legal advice and assistance. I've contemplated joining the American Legion myself, not necessarily for legal advice, but because its an honorable organization to be a member of. The only thing that has held me back is my age---I dont want to be the only vet in my chapter under the age of 30! Not to mention I would hate to be stigmatized because of my discharge. I've caught the "why should anyone listen to you, you got kicked out because you're crazy" line a few times on other forums, along with the typical "there's nothing honorable about your service, you just couldnt hack it" remarks. Sort of scares me away from joining a veterans' organization. I've given up on ever getting back in. But who knows, 12 years from now I may be 35 and desperately looking for a way to redeem myself in the Service & finish what I started. Its a hell of a lot easier to get back in with past misconduct than it is if you were booted for mental problems. Past offences can often be forgiven and discharges can be upgraded. Crazy is crazy, regardless of how long ago it was. Gather every piece of paper in your possession and put together a case for the DRB. Check out the American Legion for additional legal advice. If you want a lawyer, make sure you pick out one with extensive experience dealing with military law. Frankly, if you can get a copy of the reg under which you were charged, and every document painting a positive picture of your 19 months in the Navy, you dont need a lawyer---you've got everything you need. Oh yes---one more thing: The Navy DRB doesnt travel. You'll either have to appear personally in Washington DC, or you can send off your DD Form 293, all pertinent documents and a copy of your Service record to be reviewed by the DRB without you be present. However, from what I've heard and read, you have a better chance of getting an upgrade if you're present to answer questions. | |||
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How were you given an OTH discharge, complete with Narrative, without some sort of discharge document? Were you given discharge orders? Anything? You must have been, otherwise you wouldnt know you received an OTH for unsatisfactory participation. I would imagine that in order to enlist in any component of the Armed Forces, you'd need to upgrade that OTH to General. Last time I checked, per Army reg, OTH cannot be waived. Frankly, I dont know how you get an upgrade without a DD 214. Oh yes---one more thing---you'll have to apply via BCMR with a DD Form 149, as the 15 years you're allotted to request an upgrade via DRB expired 3 years ago. | |||
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Looking..I was also worried about joining a Veterans group but as my sister said to me ..its not like you defected to avoid the war, or something like that. You are someone who served who wants to go BACK in. THAT they can respect. And she made sense. She said it will be filled with, as we call them in the Navy, Sea Lawyers. Never know..maybe someone there experienced this. Or can testify to your moral standing. Wo knows. Thats why I know recommendations from my Sister matter to the board..she was the poster child for the Navy and that means stuff to them. Believe me, as far as traveling (which by the way the Navy is the only one that doesn't travel..seems foul to me) to the case, if I have to..I will. Whats $500 when it could mean my future I want. "But who knows, 12 years from now I may be 35 and desperately looking for a way to redeem myself in the Service & finish what I started." Now THAT one hurt!! | |||
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No sir. That is what the package from National Personnel Records says. Exactly as I have written. I do not understand it either. For I have read in this forum; It seems as everyone gets a DD Form 214. I was Sitting at the ARNG's office when they were able to retreive again, my discharge orders, and the rest of my files and there is no DD 214 issued. All there is in my records is: a Form 1070/613 (Administrative Remarks of OTH due to NON PARTICIPATION) and a 1070/609 stating my drilling record. I called and my recruiter called NARA and they confirmed that no DD 214 was issued. I have no criminal background whatsoever. At the time I was told If I missed several drills, then I would be required to go back active duty. That is all I wanted. Since I had A GED at the time I was only able to enter in the SAM program, which was reserves. I was told if I went through basic and "A" school without problems I would then be able to go active duty. I received a letter from Washington D.C. stating otherwise. I stopped drilling and nothing ever happened. I always wanted to go back in, but was not sure if I could. I started reading this forum after my nephew was killed in Iraq, and decided I had to make things right.I had made a grave error 20 years ago and I want to serve honorably. It is all I've ever wanted. | |||
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I really think you have an excellent shot with the DRB. I'd take that shot and run with it. | |||
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You said you've been talking to a Guard recruiter---what was his answer? One would imagine he would have looked this up in the regs. Do you have a 1070/615 ? (Discharge document for Naval Reservists) I hope your recruiter has been asking for this stuff...otherwise, I dont think he's interested. Not that you can blame him, I mean, hell, no offense but there are probably people coming into his office with nowhere near the headache and baggage. I am no expert on Army recruiting policies, but utilizing common sense, an OTH for non-participation isnt gonna slide over well with a Guard/Reserve component. Where the heck are all the Army recruiters? I mean, d@mn, I like chatting with people and I dont mind googling stuff to help out, but these forums are usually crawling with recruiters or other knowledgable sources!This message has been edited. Last edited by: Looking_2_Reenlist, | |||
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I think you still have a chance as well. Just get good references, and meet them in person. I was talking to my sister and we agree that in person is the way to go. They can see you are sincere, hear your emotions, answer any questions. I am in the feeling that while yes your record and such are important, YOU are important as well. I mean its like an interview, you have to sell yourself. They want to know they are making a good solid choice taking a chance on you. Remember, we are trying to serve. Not just get it changed. That DOES mean something I am sure. We want to join the Military again and make a difference. Like me, I am within specs for the Army but will drop 40-50lbs before I am in front of the board so i show them I am serious. Its a big chance we take, but to me..its well worth it. | |||
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CodyGrizz I've got almost the same situation as yourself. Same code. Same sep character. No capt mast. went to VA for Alcohol Rehab and completed program before complete separation. I didn't show up for duty one night and was "reprimanded". Before the VA, I had confidential sessions with a substance counselor which the NAVY offered me. One incident occurred in which the CO of the duty station questioned me about my counseling sessions and asked me a direct question. She asked if I had used marijuana. I told her yes. Next, I was being separated from service. I never tested positive for drugs while in service. Unlike you, I was legally able to drink. However, I was told that I would get a Gen under Hon conditons. I was shocked when I got to the personnel office and the clerk typed in my type of discharge. After refusing to sign the document, the "clerk" sent a captain over and told me that I must sign the discharge paper. I also was young and nieve. I too think I got railroaded. I was a Nuke. EM4. I was at a temporary duty station where this happened. I was later told that the CO could do this to me even without testing positive for marijuana. Even without a captain's mast. At the VA, I was treated for using alcohol. I looked over the discussion board. Someone mentioned that only 5% get their re code changed. How many of those are re-4 with OTH and were those done "in person" with the review board in washington? I still to this day think about getting my discharge upgraded to honorable and reenlist to the Naval Reserves. I'm 38 years old with 1 1/2 year service. I have some letters of commendation from the CO of the base for assisting a Congressman for cleaning up the base. I also have a letter recommending reenlistment into the reserves from a reserve CO. Is there anyone out there that can tell me if I have a good chance of getting this changed? and even reenlist? Do I need to go before a Review Board? My 15 years for appeal is fast approaching also. I'm also working in the same field today as in the NAVY w/10 years experience.This message has been edited. Last edited by: wirebiter, | |||
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Hi, I have an RE code of 3 on my DD214 with a code of LBK. Who gives the RE code? My last Unit CO? I had a mental breakdown 4 months after my return from Haiti in 1995 and my unit sent me to Ft. Stewart's Hosptial for mental eval for about 3 days. Fast forward 11 years and it seems to haunt me because I am applying a a police officer and they think im crazy. I was young, dumb and drunk and stressed. Haiti is a crap place, too much poverty. I think im emotionally fine. I just want to know how to change my RE Code. Im not crazy, normal, but at the time i didn't know what the hell i wanted. Please advise as to change RE Code Thanks Chazasoreus | |||
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He got into a minor scuffle with a petty officer who had some sort of superiority complex over him. The only thing was that a couple of chiefs walked in at the wrong time. He was sent to mast within a couple of hours and was denied his own witnesses. So they labeled him with a "personality disorder" because he had a personality conflict with a higher ranking enlistee. Also in his record it states that he wasn't a burden to his command and that his "condition" is not disabling. He was on meds for the first few years after separation because he was not able to adjust back into civilian life right away so he was depressed at the time. He has not been on meds of any sort for well over 5 years now. He holds a position of great responsibility with the company he works for as well as his previous employer. I wonder if he could get his RE code upgraded and his "personality disorder" rediagnosed as non-existant. | |||
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I have been out of the Army since September 2003 for Physical Disability with serverence pay, 50% disabled, and I am able to go back in with a waiver. I want to go back in but I but my shoulder has gotten worse since I was seperated and now I have 2 screws in my shoulder. I don't have a problem of going back in but I wanted to know if I would if I would still be able to sort of place the disability on hold until I complete my Term of service and then reinstate it upon ETS. Also if I could have a predetermined amount of my pay be used to repay the severence. In addition to, if I could tried to apply and sign off on the waiver and can't make it in, do I permanately lose my disability. | |||
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Wow this story sounds unseemingly familiar. Now don't get me wrong I'm sure there are hundreds of guys in the same situation as you and I can only say this. Honor and Integrity. I know someone that did the same thing and took leave for a sick family member. Then went around telling everyone that he is now a sniper at local national guard base and make 300,000 dollars a year. Tax free to top it off. WOW!!! impressive. Anyway. I have to ask how you could think leaving for almost a year was going to get you back in? I mean I'm sure you could take a emergency leave during boot. If there was a Death in the Family, but that would only be for 3 day's. Going back after a year and thinking all is good? ummmmm no. Here is how good advice is going to help you. Regardless if you are a PT stud and in perfect shape. You left for a year. They DC'd with a RE-4 but what is your SPD code? Enough of that.... Honor and Integrity oh and btw. Lay off the disco biscuits....  | |||
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I was told to send off the paperwork to have my re-code changed. However I was also told that it could take up to 6 months for my re-code to change. Question is does it usually take that long? Thanks, afzegilla21 | |||
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RE codes alone are upgraded/changed through the BCMR, though I think the time limit has long since passed (3 years). His best chance would be applying for a review via DRB (utilize the DD Form 293). As for being "rediagnosed", I dont even know if that's possible. If he could provide documentation proving there is absolutely nothing wrong with him and an opinion from a psychiatrist disputing the original diagnosis, he may have a chance, but the fact that he was on medication for YEARS due to an inability to adapt to life changes isnt going to do him any justice. The DRB would look at his narrative reason for discharge, compare it to the years he spent on medication for adjustment issues and ask why he's wasting their time. His best shot is to go for a waiver, which would likely result in the same outcome. "Years" on meds coupled with a dishcarge for a "personality disorder" basically equals no chance, from what I've read. (And I've done my homework, considering I myself was discharged for a brief mental health issue---"adjustment disorder with mixed anxiety and depressed mood"---and was subsequently placed on anti-depressants for two years by the VA.) | |||
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What do I need to request to have a chance at re enlistment with my OTH. I have seen a few recruiters who have all shot me down, as well as written the president, and my congressman. Any suggestions? I was stupid and young when I was in the navy, now I would like to enlist with the ARMY and become a professional soilder. | |||
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Not a chance, Sorry. Current regulation specically forbids it. | |||
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Ok... I've been recently Discharged from the military. Character of Service: UNCHARACTERIZED Separation Code: JKK REENTRY CODE: NA Reason for Separation: Misconduct (Drug Abuse) I was enlisted as a member of the Oregon National Guard and i've been out of service for about 1 month. Is there any way I can re-enlist?? | |||
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Hell, the drugs may not even be out of your bloodstream yet and you want to re-enlist? You'd be lucky if you could get back in 10 years from now, and that's with a spotless post-military record. Illegal drug use is taken very seriously in all 5 branches of the Armed Forces. If you were booted out of ANY branch or component of the Armed Forces for drug use, the common sense answer here is you're not eligible, nor will you ever be (short of serious policy change). | |||
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It can actually take longer than 6 months. Also, keep in mind that applying to the BCMR/DRB does not guarantee you'll get a change to your RE/SPN codes or Narrative. Typically, the Separation Code and Narrative Reason For Discharge are *FAR* more important in terms of reenlistment eligibility...its also worth noting that if you apply for a change to your Narrative Reason for Discharge, you're often given new RE/SPN codes if the request is approved. I have personally known a guy---my sister's fiance---who was HONORABLY discharged from the Army after serving his full 5-year enlistment as a Cavalry Scout with a RE code 1, yet he will NEVER be able to reenlist due to a post-service drug conviction (he's a piece of sh** and I really wish he'd stay away from my sister) Point here is, you can have an optimal characterization of Service, optimal Separation Code, optimal RE code and *STILL* wind up being denied the right to reenlist. Its important to be realistic. Getting a RE code change isnt going to erase the reason you were given the original unfavorable RE code. It just smoothes out the waiver process a little. The BCMR/DRB are STRICT and approve few requests, so the best bet is to look into whether you can enlist WITHOUT a change/upgrade of your eligibility codes. | |||
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http://boards.law.af.mil/AF_DRB.htm This site provides a wealth of information for those looking to upgrade a discharge from the United States Air Force in that it provides HUNDREDS of case reviews and findings for those appealing everything from punitive [Bad Conduct] discharge to administrative [UOTHC & General] to Narrative Reason for Discharge. The cases involve airman ranging from airman basic to staff sergeant to captain and for myriad reasons for discharge...Looking over more than one hundred such cases, I noted that less than 10 appeals were approved, and it appeared that those who held a higher grade and those with remarkable post-military records were most likely to obtain an upgrade. I saw an OTH get upgraded to HONORABLE, another OTH upgraded to GENERAL, a half dozen General discharges get upgraded to HONORABLE, and a couple Narratives changed to more favorable reasons. However, again, I'd like to point out that the overwhelming majority of requests were denied. The vast majority of those requesting an upgrade were at the rank of A1C or below, and by far most were discharged for misconduct. Basically, from what I saw, if you had more than one Article 15 coupled with more than 2 Letters of Reprimand, the request was denied. Legal representation didnt seem to have as much of an affect on the outcome as one would expect, nor did appearing before the Board in person. * I should note that the OTH upgraded to Honorable was an individual discharged more than 15 years ago for admitted homosexuality. Hope this information and the link provided helps some of you in your search for "justice". | |||
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I left the Air Force in 1997, and was discharged, Honorable under General Conditions. My RE-Code is listed as 2b. Is there any chance that I can re-enlist into the Army Reserves? | |||
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The correct characterization of service is "General, Under Honorable Conditions", as is evidenced by your 2b RE code, which means "Discharged under General or Other Than Honorable Conditions". What was the Separation Code and Narrative Reason For Discharge? Both appear on your DD 214 and will help an Army Reserve recruiter in determining your eligibility. | |||
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It was a pattern of misconduct. | |||
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I've seens more than two dozen cases in which an individual discharged with a General characterization of service received an upgrade to Honorable through the DRB over the last 3 years. You should really consider applying for an upgrade. You've got nothing to lose if you try, and you've got plenty of time to do it. Its unlikely you'd be denied enlistment with an HONORABLE discharge, even if the reason remained "pattern of misconduct". You'd have an excellent shot at a waiver, if you even needed one. I'm not an Army Reserve recruiter, so I personally cant tell you whether you'd be eligible with a general discharge for pattern of misconduct, but I can tell you there's a better chance you would be with an upgrade. | |||
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Ok I know it next to impossible to waive an re 4 but can I try?I got it from the usmc,I want to get back in the usmc!Who do I have to talk to write to go to?I will do whatever it takes,I need the marine corps!I dont want to join the arng!Somebody please give me some good advice!Ive asked a million times and never get an answer I can do anything with!My discaharge was honorable so no problem there!I know its hard but i just want to try,Im not giving up,so can i get some info please! | |||
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My apologies...I posted incorrectly in a new thread... I am looking for guidance on how to go about getting an RE-Code changed. I will resummarize since I posted in the wrong place (lol) I was in the USN from 1992-1994. I was a big dummy and got caught using the drugs once in a unit sweep urinalysis extravaganza. I was sent to the admin board and by a vote of 3-0 was shipped out with a General under Honorable Conditions, RE-4 and a JKK (Drugs), Characterized as "Misconduct." In 2003, I got a call from a CA ARNG recruiter. He hypothetically told me that if I lost 30 pounds, he would, "get me in." I provided a copy of my DD-214 to him, the long form with all of the seperation info on it. Subsequently, somehow, I got my lazy butt up and lost the 30 pounds, went to MEPS and passed the physical. I came back and a month later was hypothetically told that a drug waiver won't work; that I need to write a story to the ARNG Recruiting Command to get a waiver about having missed movement, went AWOL or some variation thereof. Because my sep paperwork from the Navy said only "Misconduct", this story would be plausible. This scenario worked out...the waiver was granted and I was enlisted as an E-4 (SPC) under MOS 11B. I was shipped off to school for 27D and was awarded the MOS. However, as one could guess, the old reason for the Navy discharge came up and I was subsequently discharged from the CA ARNG with a General under Honorable Conditions discharge for fraudulent enlistment and, sadly an RE-4. I know I made a mistake but I think it would have been more equitable for them to grant an RE-3 in this case because that essentially would place me in the same situation that I was in before having gone in. All I wanted to do is serve my Country and Family again. Civic duty is very important to me. I am a law school graduate and currently a Social Studies teacher. I am retaking the bar exam in fact in February 2006. I know what I did was wrong but I would like to find out about changing RE Codes because, while I agree that my Navy RE Code was correct, I believe that the circumstances around my Guard discharge are a little different and warranted a different look. If anyone has some advice or pointers I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you! Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year to All! | |||
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If you're taking a bar exam, you should know better than submitting fraudulant enlistment papers to a governmental agency. Besides facing possible criminal charges for this, your future as a lawyer could be over. Is this behavior acceptable to you? Ever hear of moral turpitude? Or are you going to be that type of an attorney who's hides behind lies and half truths? You weren't responsible in the Navy. You continued to show this trait with the National Guard. For the sake of soldiers currently serving, I hope you accept the idea you'll never serve again. They deserve more. This includes depending on others who are drug free and are trustworthy. Good luck on your second bar exam. | |||
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Perhaps you misread or was ignorant of what I was looking for. I didn't request denotative explanations of "fraud" or "moral turpitude." I requested that if anyone had navigated the very few routes for changing RE Codes that they please post. I had my reasons for wanting to enter the Guard. You have no idea why I would enter in the (fraudulent)way that I did. I failed to mention that finding a job with a Juris Doctor degree and a teaching credential is extremely difficult when you don't pass the bar and teach social studies. My son also has an undiagnosed disease. I made my decision under duress. It was the wrong decision and I accept it BUT it was by no means done with malice towards my Country or the Army. I was highly irresponsible in the Navy and I totally accept that. I was highly irresponsible for entering the Guard in the circumstance that I did and I accept that too. A year or so earlier and I would not have been discharged from the Navy at all. Throwing away the lives of young sailors and marines because of zero tolerance is utterly ridiculous, particularly when many are able to be rehabilitated. I will add that no, the service would not be better off without dedicated people who are ready to serve. Not many teachers or lawyers would be willing to enlist. Never say never, although I do admit the odds are exceedingly long. Your kind of preaching and soap-boxing would be better served elsewhere. I do thank you for the best wishes on the bar. I continue to prepare but working (teaching and tutoring, as well as doing some side notary and legal work) 45-55 hours a week and taking care of a kid with special needs makes it incredibly difficult to prepare for.
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I understand the success rate in RE Code changes are between 2 and 5 percent. Good luck. | |||
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Thanks! I don't know how hard I will try to actually go through the process with all of the other stuff that I have going on; I am simply stating that it would be an honor to serve my Country again if someone knows all of the avenues (i.e. pursuing errors in the RE code versus the ARDB and BCMR). Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! | |||
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I need help with my situation... When I was 17 I joined the USAF , with a sealed juvenile infraction. Then after a few minor infractions over a short period of time I was discharged from the force, I was in only a year (with General under Honorable, RE- 2b). After a while I request for a change in the code which I received , 3k. During that period I had a minor infraction again with the law did my time and got out(age 19). After I got out of county jail I lost my apartment and mail, so moved with my parents. My dad steered me towards the USCG and I begin to process for that . During recruitment everything runs smooth I mean everything background included(age 22). Then I go to Basic and like two weeks before I graduate I get Discharged for Fraudulent Enlistment(with Honorable,RE- 4). After I due some research I discovered I missed a court date and was issued a no bail warrant due to me not getting my mail from my previous address. Now I have attended the court date and received unsupervised probation(age 23 soon 24). I realize after spending my time in the civilian world that I am not cut out for this. I really would like to re- enlist in either the USN or USCG.. I tell you this story tell give you all the details. I just need to get some advise on my options on how to proceed further with my "mission". Hopefully, I can get a chance to prove that I'm not a failure and can successful serve our country. | |||
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yes can someone who knows what there talking about post info on how to atleast try to get an re 4 changed! | |||
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Here you go, right from the VA website. Instructions for changing/correcting your military service record or changing your discharge status can be found at http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-recor...recting-records.html. If your military service record requires a change or correction, you will need to submit DD Form 149, Application for Correction of Military Records to the relevant service branch (branch addresses are provided on the form). You can also call 1-800-318-5298. If you need to change your discharge status you will generally need to submit DD Form 293, Application for the Review of Discharge or Dismissal from the Armed Forces of the United States to the relevant service branch (branch addresses are provided on the form). To obtain this form, go to http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/infomgt/forms/eforms/dd0293.pdf https://iris.va.gov/scripts/iris.cfg/php.exe/endus er/std_adp.php?p_faqid=853 - 50k | |||
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We were reading through his record this morning and found many discrepencies. One being that his discharge code should have been a GFX which states that he VOLUNTARILY separated. A JFX means he had no choice. So if he made the choice to separate, then shouldn't he have the choice to get back in?? His command suggested that he be separated with an RE-R1 but later was changed to an RE-4 under honorable conditions by the board. We also found that the reason for separation was also flawed. According to MILPERSMAN 3620200 (6203) Separation of Enlisted Personnel for Convenience of the Government, which states: Personality disorders are not, in and of themselves, cause for processing for separation. The personality disorder must render the member incapable of serving adequately; there must be documented interference with performance of duty persisting after the member has been counseled about the deficiencies and been afforded an opportunity to overcome them. Administrative counseling must be documented, along with the Notification Procedure (MILPERSMAN 3640200). Processing for separation because of a personality disorder under MILPERSMAN 3620200 requires that the personality disorder diagnosis must be established by either a psychiatrist or a clinical psychologist and that the report of that clinician's evaluation, concluding that the disorder is of such severity as to preclude expectation of adequate service, be a part of the package submitted for consideration by Commander, Naval Military Personnel Command. Previously, the instruction governing administrative processing for malperformance attributable to a personality disorder entrusted the establishment of the diagnosis to flight surgeons and other nonpsychiatrist medical officers; the current Article calls for evaluation by either a psychiatrist or a clinical psychologist. This does not, however, mean that the flight surgeon's role in the handling of such problems has been eliminated; to the contrary, the flight surgeon can contibute immeasurably by counseling the involved member and attempting to help him or her through the maturation process toward the goal of effective service, by advising the chain of command of appropriate measures which might facilitate that process, and by performing at least an informal psychiatric evaluation and advising the command of the likely outcome of formal referral to a psychiatrist or psychologist (this would be of greatest value to commands deployed to areas where psychiatrists and psychologists are not readily available). This section in MILPERSMAN 3620200 concludes with the admonition that, if separation is warranted on the basis of either unsatisfactory performance or misconduct, the member should be processed under whichever of those reasons applies regardless of the presence of a personality disorder. He was never given counseling by his command and was never given the opportunity to "grow up" as it were. Admistrative counseling documentation is required for this type of separation but one is not present due to the fact that he was never counseled. There are way too many deficiencies in his record for the RE-4 code to have been given. The fact that he was young, single and stupid does not constitute a debilitating personality disorder, it just means that he was just like any other 20 year old on the planet with alot of growing up to do.This message has been edited. Last edited by: 11356386, | |||
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Anyone having RE Code problems or other problems joining the military will be pleased to see an article like this: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2...cruiting_foreigners/ Unbelievable... | |||
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Discharged from the Marine Corps, 6/22/06 Re-3 Sep code: JDA1 (fraud, no board)(doctor at MEPs didn't speak english too well, something got lost in translation, caught way too late) general discharge Currently attending pharmacy school, basically wanted to become a pharmacist in US Army, USAF, or USN. Are these conditions acceptable, or am I just wasting my time? | |||
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I just wanna know why they talking about getting the draft going, and how the need more soliders in the military...So how come you dont wanna take back people who wanna join up again and do the job that need to be done over in Iraq...I have a re-4 code and dont no branches wanna take me, the USMC said they could cut through all the red tape and take me in but somebody up dont want to do the paper work so I got a no...So I wanna know why you wont take me when I see all over the news that you want and need more troops, man I completed bootcamp I got 3months on these new recurits and you wanna be picky....I dont understand this Government.. | |||
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Man I just read that that letter that guy got posted up and it said there looking to put recuriting stations oversea and recurit immargants but wont take back there own...Its crazy man | |||
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I am new to this so I am going to explain everything the best I can. My husband received an OTH for posession, distribution and using ecstacy. I don't want to say he didn't do it and I don't want to say he is not guilty. But, it was his first and only offense during his whole time in the Marines. He served this country proudly and was at the Pentagon on September 11. So he did serve his country. We are looking into the future now seeing as how we have two small children. And I am wondering if there is a way to get this moved to a general discharge. I know with a general discharge, you still have a shot at things. I have been doing reading and I see if you get a State Rep to look at your case, they can what? Overturn the decision? Have an influence on an appeal? I am just needing some guidance here. I also read that you can get statements from people who were involved with you. I just don't know where to start and want to resolve this so he can get the job he wants. Thanks for any help you all may have. | |||
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Alright here's another RE4 question. A RE4 with an honorable discharge code KBK after nine years in the Navy can I go into any of the reserves? | |||
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I was wondering if there is anyway to have an RE Code changed. I have a RE2B from the Air Force, and I really want to get back into service, but I have been told that it is not possible for me to get back in. The reasons for the RE2B was "Pattern of Misconduct". I only had one Article 15, and a handfull of "Letters of Reprimand" I was really excited when I was contacted by a recruiter, and I told him my situation, and he thought I could get in. I thought this would be so great, and then it was shot down. Any help anyone can provide me would be great. | |||
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The probable reason why you were shot down is because of your narrative "PATTERN of misconduct". If it was a one time deal it could have probably been worked around but because you have a recorded pattern, the services will undoubtedly refuse to take the risk of you repeating that "pattern". | |||
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So, do I just come to the conclusion that I will never be able to join the military. It doesn't make sense since they are looking for so many qualified candidates. The events that took place, took place 10 years ago. I guess I don't understand how they can take what I did ten years ago, and assume that I will be the same person now. I read the description of the re code, and it states that your not approved for immediate reenlisment or prior service enlistment. That sounds like to me that I could go in as a non prior service enlistmnet. Do you know if I get my discharge changed to an honorable, would that change my RE Code?
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Unless your RE-2 was awarded in error and all those "Letters of Reprimand" were given falsely, you're not changing your RE-2. The National Guard might be able to help you back in. They waive RE-4s on a case by case basis. Your RE-2 just MIGHT be waived. "If you focus on results, you will NOT get change. If you focus on change, you WILL get results." | |||
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what kind of RE code does someone who writes themself out of DEP get? | |||
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How long ago was it, what was the characterization of service, and how many LORs are you talking about here? It is possible to take your case to the Air Force Discharge Review Board for an upgrade to Honorable, but I still doubt the RE code would be changed. I've seen cases where General discharge for Pattern of Misconduct was upgraded to Honorable, but the Board is EXTREMELY stingey in changing RE codes. Your best route would be to apply to the DRB (use the DD Form 293, which is available oth online and at many veterans' organizations, such as the American Legion) and try to get your discharge upgraded. If you win your case and the discharge is upgraded, next apply for a RE code change through the Board For Correction of Military Records. Its a long shot, to put it nicely. I'm in the final stages of preparation for the Discharge Review Board myself. I'm just waiting for my records to arrive from St Louis to double check everything is in order. I'll let y'all know how it works out (though this should be no indication as to how your own unique cases will be determined.) Again, if you'd like to check out some of the past decisions of the Air Force Discharge Review Board, click here: http://boards.law.af.mil/AF_DRB.htm Best o' luck. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by tlaning: So, do I just come to the conclusion that I will never be able to join the military. It doesn't make sense since they are looking for so many qualified candidates. The events that took place, took place 10 years ago. I guess I don't understand how they can take what I did ten years ago, and assume that I will be the same person now. I read the description of the re code, and it states that your not approved for immediate reenlisment or prior service enlistment. That sounds like to me that I could go in as a non prior service enlistmnet. Do you know if I get my discharge changed to an honorable, would that change my RE Code? [QUOTE] I have reviewed more than 800 cases heard by the Air Force Dscharge Review Board. I have seen probably two dozen general discharges upgraded to Honorable. The RE codes, however, virtually NEVER change. They are sometimes changed to 3K, but I think I saw that happen ONCE in all the cases I looked over. Of course, that does mean its possible. You can either put your case before the Board, or spend the rest of your life asking "what if?" and saying "I shoulda..." The worst thing that can happen is they'll deny your request. Your discharge can NOT be made worse. Period. | |||
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We were reading through his record this morning and found many discrepencies. One being that his discharge code should have been a GFX which states that he VOLUNTARILY separated. A JFX means he had no choice. So if he made the choice to separate, then shouldn't he have the choice to get back in?? His command suggested that he be separated with an RE-R1 but later was changed to an RE-4 under honorable conditions by the board. We also found that the reason for separation was also flawed. According to MILPERSMAN 3620200 (6203) Separation of Enlisted Personnel for Convenience of the Government, which states: Personality disorders are not, in and of themselves, cause for processing for separation. The personality disorder must render the member incapable of serving adequately; there must be documented interference with performance of duty persisting after the member has been counseled about the deficiencies and been afforded an opportunity to overcome them. Administrative counseling must be documented, along with the Notification Procedure (MILPERSMAN 3640200). Processing for separation because of a personality disorder under MILPERSMAN 3620200 requires that the personality disorder diagnosis must be established by either a psychiatrist or a clinical psychologist and that the report of that clinician's evaluation, concluding that the disorder is of such severity as to preclude expectation of adequate service, be a part of the package submitted for consideration by Commander, Naval Military Personnel Command. Previously, the instruction governing administrative processing for malperformance attributable to a personality disorder entrusted the establishment of the diagnosis to flight surgeons and other nonpsychiatrist medical officers; the current Article calls for evaluation by either a psychiatrist or a clinical psychologist. This does not, however, mean that the flight surgeon's role in the handling of such problems has been eliminated; to the contrary, the flight surgeon can contibute immeasurably by counseling the involved member and attempting to help him or her through the maturation process toward the goal of effective service, by advising the chain of command of appropriate measures which might facilitate that process, and by performing at least an informal psychiatric evaluation and advising the command of the likely outcome of formal referral to a psychiatrist or psychologist (this would be of greatest value to commands deployed to areas where psychiatrists and psychologists are not readily available). This section in MILPERSMAN 3620200 concludes with the admonition that, if separation is warranted on the basis of either unsatisfactory performance or misconduct, the member should be processed under whichever of those reasons applies regardless of the presence of a personality disorder. He was never given counseling by his command and was never given the opportunity to "grow up" as it were. Admistrative counseling documentation is required for this type of separation but one is not present due to the fact that he was never counseled. There are way too many deficiencies in his record for the RE-4 code to have been given. The fact that he was young, single and stupid does not constitute a debilitating personality disorder, it just means that he was just like any other 20 year old on the planet with alot of growing up to do.[/QUOTE] I'm in a VERY similar situation myself. (Discharged with no formal counseling, no rehabilitative effort, Adjustment Disorder that ceased to exist 3 years ago, etc) Thing is, diagnosis and subsequent discharge for psychiatric issues is NOT "voluntary", no matter how you roll the dice. If he was discharged early and did not submit paperwork, which was subsequently approved, specifically requesting voluntary discharge, his discharge was involuntary. Nearly every separation/discharge is involuntary, even those for persons separating honorably at the end of their enlistment. The other issue is that regardless of whether he can manage to get a change to RE/SPN codes or narrative reason for separation, the fact that he spent years on anti-depressant medications is going to put some pretty negative drag on his attempt for a waiver. There's a difference between immaturity and psychological problems. Being late for duty because he was watching cartoons or playing video games would be "he had some growing up to do". Being diagnosed with a personality disorder is a whole other ball game. Since I've been down that road, I will cast no stones or pass no judgement, but its important to be realistic in one's expectations. And actually, a RE 4 can be handed out to anyone deemed unsuitable or not recommended for reenlistment, especially if that person was initially given a less-than-honorable discharge. Many persons with fully Honorable discharges end up with RE 4's for whatever cause, be it failure in physical standards or weight control, inaptitude, or what have you. | |||
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I had the same problem it can be done but it requires some work on your part... First fill out and DD 149 to request a re code change along with a nice one page letter briefly explaining what happened and what have you done since your separation to improve yourself. Hopefully, they well give you a 3k to join another branch but now you need a waiver to get in that branch of your choice that is willing to accept you. Then you need to follow that respective branch's waiver procedure. Hopefully this can lead you in the right direction.....Oh yea, it would behoove you to research the prospective branch's policies and regulations on waiver and re-enlistment.. Basically do the homework and maybe a recruiter well point you in the right direction or even help you down the road. | |||
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Thank you all for the advice. I have submitted my DD Form 149 today, and now I will wait and see. I am also looking into the Army National Guard, to see if they can do anything. Does anybody have any insight into their policies? | |||
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I've had both an Air Force Reserve and Army National Guard tell me they're willing to work with me, though that is certainly no guarantee for a waiver. I've told both I want to go through the DRB & BCMR channels before I begin the waiver process. Because I received an Honorable discharge, I'm getting better reception, but the Narrative, RE and SPN codes are getting in the way, so I'd like to eliminate as many hurdles as possible before trying for a waiver that may ultimately waste a lot of people's time. Honestly, if you were involuntarily discharged short a "1" or "3" RE code from the Air Force, your best bet is to work with the Army or Air National Guard. I am not a recruiter, so I really have no clear idea how willing a Guard recruiter is to work with someone who received a general discharge, but I know it can be done, at least in some cases. A friend of mine who was given a general discharge from the Air Force Reserve turned around 6 months later and joined the Air National Guard---this isnt a rumor, its a fact. Everyone's circumstances are different, but as a historical fact, general discharges *are* sometimes waived for reenlistment, at least into the Guard. (Up until recently, the Army National Guard was apparently waiving OTH discharges on a case-by-case basis, though they apparently stopped doing this. Again, I know this for a fact because one of the Air Force Discharge Review Board cases I was looking over was a former Air Force E-5 who received an OTH and then turned around and joined the Guard a few years later.) Look for a recruiter who will work with you, some are more willing than others, some will see anything short of a fully Honorable discharge and tell you to turn around and walk back out the door while others will have you sit down and go through your records. Just be honest and upfront, and if you're denied, you're denied. Chalk it up as a lesson learned. Some mistakes are permanent. | |||
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what about gettign a waiver for the following? (for the National Guard) Honorable Discharge Sep Code:Jkk (misconduct drug use) re code 3 | |||
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An Honorable discharge with a "3" RE code...for drug use? (Were you by some small chance the airman who received an upgrade to Honorable through the Discharge Review Board because the Air Force lacked a urinalysis and credible witness when initiating discharge procedures?) One would assume a person who receives a fully-Honorable discharge with a waivable RE code shouldnt have too many problems finding a recruiter willing to work with him, though you would likely need a moral waiver. | |||
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how can i get re-4 changed | |||
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Depends... 1. why were you discharged? 2. From which branch? 3. how long ago? 4. three letter separation reason e.g. jkk,etc? | |||
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desertion, navy,2000,dunno | |||
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desertion, navy, 2000 | |||
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i highly doubt that you change that one....mainly cause there is no good excuse for deserting your duty( which you volunteered for, mind you) what happened if you don't mind my askin? | |||
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i did 3 years and 11 months and got out with an oth and a re code of 4, is there any way i can upgrade and join the army or to get a waiver to go into the army i got out for drug abuse | |||
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OTH cannot be waived for reenlistment into any branch of the military, not even the National Guard. They were waiving OTH's on a case-by-case basis a couple years ago but current regulations forbid it. The Army DRB works similar to that of the Air Force DRB. Anyone, regardless of their former service component, must fill out a DD Form 293 for review of discharge. (This form is available online and at many veterans' organizations.) While I havent looked at any Army cases, every single Air Force case I saw in which an individual was petitioning for an upgrade of an OTH discharge was DENIED. Why? Because you waived your right to a court-martial and signed papers ACCEPTING the OTH discharge. A lot of people misunderstand exactly what a court-martial is, so when they hear "you can sign here and avoid a court-martial", they jump on it. Unfortunately, by waiving that right, you're at the whim of your commander, and it frequently results in a discharge Under Other Than Honorable Conditions. You're hurting nobody by applying for an upgrade, and the worst thing they can do is deny your request. If you are planning on petitioning the DRB for an upgrade, be sure to gather any shred of documentation that reflects positively on your service---letters of commendation, appreciation, volunteerism, etc, as well as character references relevant to your Army service, witness statements, and be prepared to research the manual under which discharge was recommended. If you've been to rehab since leaving the Army, get a statement. If rehab was required before discharge proceedings could begin and were not offered rehab, write it down. Research, document, research, document, research, document. That is the best advise I could give you. | |||
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I probably don't have any chance at all according to what I've read, but I figure I'll ask and see what happens. I was discharged from the Army last year with a KFS separation code and Reentry Code 4. I had gone AWOL from AIT back in 2004, I have no excuse for my actions, as I feel once I give an excuse, I am shirking my responsibility for my actions. I have been working on getting my life on track since that time, and finally turned myself in to get the issue cleared up. I have regretted the choice I made every day since, and I am wondering if there is any possible way I can get back in any branch of service. I am willing to do whatever it takes. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks | |||
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You should have a DD 214 lying around somewhere. Get it out, look at it... what was the characterization of service? How long were you absent without leave? These are important questions. Frankly, I dont think anyone is going to allow a deserter to reenlist, and if it truly was desertion (absence beyond 30 days), there is no way in hell a DRB is going to upgrade your discharge or change the RE/SPN codes. AWOL is a serious matter. Desertion is unforgivable. | |||
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What does your DD 214 say? Separation code KFS means "Good of the Service, In Lieu of Court-Martial". That's most certainly an OTH discharge, and most certainly RE 4. An OTH with a RE 4 for AWOL or desertion cannot and probably never will be waived, not even by the Guard who have the most lenient waiver policies. Your third strike comes from the fact that you were in the Army. Army doesnt waive its own RE 4's. | |||
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Character of Service: OTH Sep Code: KFS Reentry Code:4 Narrative: In Lieu of Trial By Court Martial | |||
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There is always the option of the Discharge Review Board. How long were you in before you went AWOL? Was there a family emergency or other demanding reason why you disappeared without leave? If you were in less than 6 months and can convince your DRB there was a reason why you disappeared without leave, they may be compelled to change it to uncharacterized/entry-level separation, but I dont see the RE 4 going anywhere. | |||
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Yeah that's kindof what I thought, I just wanted to be sure. I was in just over 6 months before I went AWOL. I doubt it makes a difference that I was ArNG either. | |||
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If you go to the Board, dont lie and dont feel sorry for yourself, but try to justify any claims you make. How long were you AWOL? | |||
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I was AWOL for the better part of two years. I had actually turned myself in 31 days after going AWOL, and was returned to the IARNG Headquarters, where I was told by the Commanding General that I was done, and I could go home. A year later I was informed that I was still on the USADIP as a deserter, but I could not afford transportation to turn myself in until this past year. | |||
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What is the date of discharge on your DD 214? Is it "31 days later", or is it last year? And why were you gone in the first place? Important questions. | |||
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Date of Discharge was last year. I basically went AWOL because I got mixed up with the wrong female, and I was following the wrong head. | |||
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The other question is if you were in the Army, went AWOL, deserted, etc, why are you interested in enlisting? One would assume a deserter doesnt like the military. (Not to mention these are still fresh wounds, I mean, hell, you just got your name cleared from the deserter list last year.) I'd still consider the DRB. Being you were a Guardsman, there were different rules, but the fact that you knew you were a deserter and did nothing for a year isnt going to help you at all. | |||
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You let a girl lead you into desertion? Gone 31 days...hmmm. Did you believe you were out of the Army when you turned yourself in "31 days later"? Really, I dont think it makes a difference. If you hadnt accepted the OTH, you would have been court-martialed, and probably would have received a BCD. You could always get a job as a GS civilian working for the Army. | |||
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Well, honestly, it's my belief that had I been processed correctly the first time I turned myself in, I wouldn't be in this predicament. I know that at the SPC at Fort Knox, they give you the opportunity to retain. I attempted to when I was there, but with the time I had been AWOL I might as well have been laughed at. In any case, I'll give the DRB a try. Thanks for your input. | |||
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Here's a link to the Army DRB website. You can fill out and submit the DD Form 293 online. Army Discharge Review Board When all else fails, there is the Board For Correction of Military Records (BCMR). | |||
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I have a question as seems like a lot has !! I got a RE1R1 from USNAVY active duty as a E3 ... I was told that the R1 was restricted and was a valued asset to military service .... what is that? I went to look at website posted and theres no info on that code. Also as a side question if I wanted to go back active duty what is age cut off - I heard that they discount years for active duty time and all kinds of bull. I have 4 years active and 8 years reserve with 2 years IRR. Thanks | |||
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Active duty cut off is 42 for Army, 34 for Navy, 27 for Air Force, Marine Corps and Coast Guard. IRR doesnt count towards prior service age adjustment. Not sure how ("ready" or "drilling") reserve duty factors in, but one would assume only active duty time is used for age adjustment when enlisting into an active duty component. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.) I have never heard of a RE 1R1. | |||
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I have a RE-3 and a Sep. Code JKA (regular Army) under honorable conditions (general) misconduct (failed drug tests) separated March 6 2002. I completed basic and AIT, 8 months into my germany duty station I was seperated. I completed 1 yr 3 months and 29 days. I have not touched any kind of drug since the use I was separated for. No trouble with the law either. Any chance I can get back into the regular army? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks | |||
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My argument and recruiters have agreed with me is that a person with a diagnoses such as his would not be capable of accomplishing what he has in his life. 1. A person with his type of "disorder" could never be in productive relationship. We have been married 13 years this April and have two kids (12&10). He was,is and continues to be a great father. 2. He couldn't hold down a job because he would have too many personality conflicts with people who don't view him as he views himself. He is a Quality Assurance professional and he attends college full time on his way to earning a Bachelor's degree in Business Management. Half of the people he works with dislike him because of his position but he could care less because he's there to do a job and make sure that these people put quality products out. Now he wants to finish his degree and return to the Navy as a Commissioned Officer. | |||
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Has he been through the Navy's DRB or BCNR? RE 4's dont often get waived. Its a statistical fact. Personality disorders with years on meds dont often get waived. Another statistical fact. Waiving both for a commission? I think the sights may be set just a mile or two too high... | |||
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Okay, For anyone else who wants to know. I joined the Navy in 2001 and served until 2005. Honorable discharge, Separation RE3P (disability). I recently have been in contact with Navy Recruiters. I loved the Navy and did not want to get out in the first place, but because of my torn ligament I had to. The recruiters have told me that I am more than egilible to get in with a waiver. Are my chances at getting one pretty good? | |||
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