I made a really monumental, idiotic mistake about 4 years ago. After enlisting in AD Army and completing BCT I decided to go AWOL from AIT at Ft. Huachuca. My ex-wife claimed she was pregnant and convinced me to come home the most expedient way possible... or perhaps the stupidest way.
I've never been DFRed or out-processed, as of last week I have no warrant out for my arrest, I was pulled over and issued a warning for speeding. Numerous background checks have come back with no issue.
After spending the last 4-ish years struggling with my ex-wife we finally separated, I had enough of her dragging me down and influencing my decisions.
Now, to my question...
Am I eligible to enlist/return and finish my 4 year enlistment?
Would I need to re-enlist?
I scored in the high 70's on my ASVAB and had no disciplinary issues (other than the above mentioned stupid mistake).
I am currently gainfully employed and going to school however I made the mistake of giving up my dream of being a soldier for a woman.
I appreciate any advice you can provide me.
I doubt it enough that I would probably place bets on it....and I don't gamble.
Right now, the military is being selective. Waivers are scarce. You had your shot, and decided that you would abandon your post, your honor and your word. You could have gone to your chain of command and explained the situation. There may have been something they could have done to help you figure out a solution. Instead you ran and left your battles in the lurch.
Just because they have not come looking for you does not mean they just let it slide. I doubt that you will ever get back in, but you need to turn yourself in none the less. It is good that you are making a more secure life for yourself...don't let that get upset in the future once all this really hits the fan. How would you like to me out with your family after securing a great education, great new wife, great house, great job...then end up in jail because you never took care of this. You would lose your job(more than likely....I would fire anyone who I found to be AWOL), and it would be hard to guess what else would fall apart on you at that point. Heck....I would never want my kid to see me in handcuffs.
Thalieos -- let me see if I understand this correctly. You completed BCT and took off from Ft. Huachuca 4 years ago and have NEVER returned to the Army? If that's the case, you need to duck and cover my friend. You lost AWOL status about 3 1/2 years ago when they should have officially declared you a DESERTER. I'm truly surprised that you've been able to make it thus far without someone knocking on your door. If you walk into a Recruiter's office now and fill out the paperwork, very large bells and whistles will begin to go off. When apprehended, the Army will determine your future, which very well could include jail time. If this is an accurate description of your actions 4 years ago, then you might want to get legal representation for advice.
As am I. I called on a daily basis for a year and a half trying to get some closure, and from what my lawyer (and the GI Rights guys) have told me if I go and turn myself I go to out-processing and get out-processed in about a week since I was IET.
The crappiest part of this whole ordeal is that I went through the proper channels at the time. Was referred to a chaplain and when word got back to my DSes I was stuck on crap duty, prevented from using the phones, seeing the chaplain again or going off-base. Not that any of that is an excuse, it just adds a little bit of background to my story.
I'm going to eMail a recruiter and see what he/she says. Everything in writing. If they say no I'll get a lawyer and see if I can't request some closure some how.
-ThalieosThis message has been edited. Last edited by: Retired_CG_Recruiter,
reagrdless of the awol side of things.
can i ask you in your heart if you could renlist is there nothing that would have you running at the drop of a hat again?
i understand a person telling you shes pregnant etc is a big thing, but 4 years is also a long time.
but what happens if something else big comes along or another person or situation has you change your min, what would you do then?
to me it didnt work, if your in school after sorting out the whole issue of your status as far as the military is concerned why not just finish your degree and get a job. hat way, as the mil isnt going to want to keep you around, as as mentioned could include jail time.
i would again as suggested turn your self in then take the punishment whatever it may be, then coe out with a cleaner slate and finish your schooling
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When I was in recruiting, we frequently got wanted posters for deserters. The posters were issued on the 31st day of absence.
Most of the deserters we found out were later apprehended had established new identities. One hadn't bothered, but got arrested for DUI, and that's when they found out. Can you believe it, he wasn't found out about immediately. He went to court and received a sentence for weekends in jail. When he reported for his first weekend, that was when he was found to be a deserter.
I guess sometimes it takes a little while for the papertrail to catch up.
Somewhere, sometime you will deal with this.
The sooner you do, the sooner it will be over.
As for getting back in, you must be kidding.
Ret. CG Recruiter, I believe the 31 day rule for desertion status has been long ago modified. Unless someone flees a war zone, they usually remain on AWOL status. Deserters are entered into the Nat'l Crime Information Center's data base as a warrant for arrest. They are arrested by local LE and held for MPs. This action is rare. The poster had an interaction with LE and we can presume no such warrant exists. I think the military is more interested in just getting rid of them administratively by discharge than pursuing formal charges.
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Thanks SCPD. It has been a while, I left recruiting in 1996. But the last time I remember seeing one of those posters was in early 1992.
It wasn't really a poster, per sie. It was a regular copy-sized paper with a block for a picture (which I never saw included), and a description of the deserter. It also told of some personal traits such as likes to surf, frequents bars, etc.
On second thought it does seem outdated, being that we are living in the information age.
And yeah, I would think most of the time it would be a court-martial, time served, discharged with an OTH and RE-4 reenlistment code.
We frequently run into assignments where it's claimed somebody is on AWOL or deserter status. If the subject is not entered into NCIC as a wanted person all we can offer is a suggestion they arrange a surrender to military authorities for disposition. The non-war zone policy seems practical and cost effective.
Laws are simply words that must be interpreted carefully. Just as someone cannot commit a robbery without first being a thief, AWOL is now considered violating an employment contract. He/ she is discharged, but not put in the stockade. A deserter must add on additional-aggravating factors to qualify for that ugly distinction. In my 30 yrs of public LE, I have only run into 2 deserters.
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Nope still exist once the person hits the 31 day mark for the Navy and MC the message is sent to personnel headquarters for entry into NCIC. Once they are a deserter for a certain time frame they are usually discharged by the service HQ. Tthe unit transfers after 6 months (I believe that is the timeframe) to the service HQ for final disposition. We just had a Marine arrested for desertion and returned a month ago so it still happens - pulled over on a speeding ticket.
either the service has discharged your or they never sent your info to NCIC. If discharged you can request your records from the service. However, your chances of ever serving again are ZERO.
One day it will be formally recognized that the Army still wants to have a few words with you and when it happens you will not be going home that day. Eventually you will end up at Ft Knox where it will be determined if you should be court-martialed or discharged. If discharged, expect to be at Knox for a few weeks; if court-martialed expect an address your family can send mail to.
Good luck; cul8r.
How could this guy even think about going back Active. You have to wonder where their head is sometimes.
Let him go to Meps and do that FingerPrint deal, talk about having to stay another night as a holdover at the hotel. do not think so, probally many holdover nights...
WOW..what a Brave poster and a stupid one to boot
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You're done with serving in the U.S. Military, PERIOD!
Turn yourself in, accept your punishment and finally be done with it.
"If you focus on results, you will NOT get change. If you focus on change, you WILL get results."
What a difference a few years makes. About 4 yrs ago some branches were accepting felons, drop outs, and waivers were accepted galore. Some specialties offered 40K enlistment bonuses. Potential recruits thought they were in the same league as professional sports.
It ain't that way now. I wonder if there should be a recourse for refunds regarding money spent for training. Whether it's flight school, medical fields, or anything else, the gov't invested funds to train the individual. If he quits and goes AWOL he should be court-ordered to pay for this training; in that he quit his obligation.
I've also seen where units don't turn the paper work into the PMO to get the warrant process going.
I thought the same thing.. I also thought do you really want this person serving next to you?
Going AWOL yes very dumb but this was posted...
Prior military service
a. A waiver is required for any applicant or current member of a RC who was separated or discharged from any Component of the United States Armed Forces for any of the following reasons: Waiver may not be submitted until a 2-year period has elapsed since separation or discharge. (For approval authority, see d below)
this should give you possible hope but you do need to get this taken care of.
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