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Because of the increased traffic in the area of Background Checks and Security Clearance questions, we have decided to make this a featured topic.
This Topic will stay open for a period of time to allow recruiters and experts in the area to share thier knowledge and specific information about thier branch of the service. After this time, the thread will be closed and left featured for future reference in order to help others. Background Checks and Security Clearances are almost one in the same. But since background checks first start off in the area of Morals (aka Law Violations), I will start here. Law Violations: If a person has ever had any kind of law violations, they need to let thier recruiter know about it. Law violations of any sort can creep up and bite you deep into the process. I have had people look me dead in the eye and tell me "NO, I have never had any law violations", only to get pulled aside in week three of basic training and get grilled or thrown out because there was some. But people think they know it all in regards to the violations, or because they were told by a lawyer or even a judge. This is not a slam on either, but its outside thier areas of speciality. No matter if the case was Unconditionally Dropped or Dismissed or even found not Guilty, you must disclose. Even if they told you it was Expunged, Nolled, Sealed, Burned, Vaporized, Oblitorated, or made to disappear by David Cooperfield , YOU MUST DISCLOSE. Violations that were Unconditionally Dropped, Dismissed or found Not Guilty , are not big problems to get into the military with. But Sarge, I had a case and it was "Dropped" or "Dismissed". The next question we recruiters would have is "Did you serve probation or Did you pay a fine ? " If the answer to that is yes, then this is not UNCONDITIONALLY DROPPED OR DISMISSED, because the probation or fine is a condition. If you get a Continued Without a Finding (CWOF), this is not UNCONDITIONAL ! A CWOF is the judges way of saying "Stay out of my court for the next X months or I will take those old charges with the new stuff you are here for and throw you under my jail !" Henceforth, A CONDITION. The military is looking for everything above a misdemeanor, traffic violations fall below a misdemeanor. Unless it was a Reckless Driving or a Suspended License, so if you want to take the chance and not disclose these, well thats your butt if they some how find out about this. I say this because although they won't show up, they still tell you they want to know about all of your past incidents involving traffic citations. For the AF , if you have more than 6 tickets in a year, its like you have a misdemeanor and this would probably need a waiver. Now I am not telling people to not disclose this stuff, I am just telling you what I have heard and should you not disclose this and be found out, they can toss you for this. This is rope to hang yourself with. Continue..... |
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Now that I think we have beaten this law violation thing to death lets move on to the Security Clearance aspect of things.
Security Clearances: At some point in time, your recruiter will give you a packet called and SF 86, this is general information about you like , where you have lived, worked, gone to school and info about family and people that know you well. It also includes some general type questions that most people laugh about like, " Have you ever used drugs before ?" (That was not the funny one, but the following one is), "Have you ever used drugs as a law enforcement officer?" If the answer to the first one is "NO", I sure hope the second one is "NO" also !!! All this information is important and Folks, do you recruiter a favor, with todays computer age, there is not much reason for people not to be able to fill this out other than being lazy. We recruiters know this form is a pain, but its mandatory and no way around it. If your first job was 4 years ago and since you had 18 other jobs, we understand you don't remember the street address (heck some of the applicants we have met can't remember thier home address). But if you can't remember the address of the McDonald's you worked at 4 years ago, pick up the phone book or hit the internet and get us that information. While you are there, get a phone number too !!! All this information you fill out will eventually be stuck into a computer system and this begins your background check. For the AF, each person that signs up will get at least a Secret Clearance. For other branches like the Guard, I will let them speak on thier own behalf. Once the SF 86 is initiated, it goes to the DoD and an investigator will look at it and make some checks on thier systems which I am not privy to. Some of the common things they look for are court checks, nationwide !!!! For the AF, the recruiter does not do Police Record Checks on every person, unless they disclose something. I believe the Army does one on everyone that applies. Sometimes , we recruiters go do court checks or police checks and they come back with nothing or we are told we cannot gather that information. But when it goes down to DoD, SURPRISE !!! Not so often for Secret Clearances, but more ofter for TS Clearances, a DoD investigator will come out to your area or at least call and touch base with folks you have left for a reference. So, if you left a bogus phone number for a POC for School or Work and they can't reach them, the next step is for the investigator to come out and see if they can reach them live !!! Don't lie about being fired, I had one guy who was getting a plain old Secret clearance, get in trouble for a job firing him and he said nothing about it. This brings the person into question. And the last part (Yay, we never thought you would stop Yukon !!!!! ), the CREDIT AREA !!!! If you have bad credit, bills that are unpaid at 90 or 120 days overdue, you need to say something. Credit checks are simple to run and they can mess up your Clearance. As far fetched as it seems, they kinda look at credit problems as though in the future, your history of not paying your bills and getting into financial debt could make you suspect to selling the secrets you are entrusted in order to get money to pay your way out of trouble. You can do something about your finances though. If you are behind or things have gone to collection, my suggestion to you is to contact the agency and get a name and number of the person you spoke to and set up a payment plan. An agency can't dismiss any attempt at payment. Lets say you owe 3K on a credit card and all you can afford is 20 bucks per month, they can't say no. If they do, there is people in the government to contact, but at this time I can't remember who that is, lol. This will however show the Govt that you are trying to make good and you are not a bum who is trying to shrug thier responsibilities for thier bills. You see, people look at the military in a different light and the light that we don't want cast is that we in the military don't pay our debts off. When using references on the Security Clearance, its advised that you use people that are in good standing. Nothing like a DoD investigator coming out to a house and finding your reference drunk or stoned, this would speak such great volumes for your character !!! LOL Here is a quick story for those that don't understand where I am coming from: Growing up, I had frequented my Aunt's house in my home town. I had met the next door neighbors, there was a girl that lived there that was about a year younger than me. Now, I never really hung out with her because the family was a bit strange. They were very strict and never really let thier kids play outside thier yard. Anyway, years later, I join the AF and after about being in a year or two, I was home on leave and my Aunt contacted me about something military releated ? She kept this almost a secret, like she was concerned about something. Upon speaking to her more, she told me a guy had stopped by the house, with a badge and said he was with some B O P or D . I said "the DoD", yeah she thinks ! She stated that they were asking about the girl next door and what she knew of her. (Now I will let you in on my Aunt, she is the sweetest old lady, reminds me of one of the women on the golden girls-Betty White. She always has a smile and a hello waiting for people, rarely has anything negative to say). When I asked my aunt what he told the investigator, she said that he told her that she was a nice girl, was very pretty. Ok, I said and what else ? Well I said she was pretty, until she had cut off all her hair one day, she used to have hair down to her lower back but one day came home bald. I don't blame her though, she probably lost her mind with all that yelling that goes on in that house, she says to the investigator. Yelling, he asks ? Oh yeah, screeching all the time, the mother is deaf and so is the sister. The mom yells and its the most god awful noise you have ever heard. The girl might as well be crazy, I know I am partially due to having to hear this noise as well. Maybe this explains why the girl is such a snob, she further states ! Snob ? Oh yeah, I always wave and say hello or good morning to the girl and she always has this look like I have three heads and never says a word to me, not even a smile or head nod. The girl has issues I tell you, but other than that I cannot tell you more. I about fall down after hearing all this, albiet the truth, I explained to her what the DoD was out there for. My Aunt had told me that she had talked to the dad who had stated she was applying to the USCG Academy. You can put two and two together, but needless to say , she never got into the USCG Academy. Alright, other recruiters put your two cents in, I am tired. |
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Brother-in-law wants to join the Army but he has some issues that could hold him up. DUI six years ago and some speeding tickets I believe and last year he was charged with unintentional neglect which falls under the child abuse statute where he lives. His 3yr old daughter snuck out of the the house while he was napping with their other child. Either way some neighbors called the cops and he was charged. The charge was dropped after completion of a parenting class because the court mandates that anyone that comes under those charges must take the course. To my knowledge there was no guilty plea. He was not arrested but there is an arrest record of the incident eventhough it was dropped.
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Yukon, you got to be a recruiter
 no one else is that long winded.What you wrote is correct. The Marines do it pretty much the same expert they will do a police report. The best advice is to fill in everything. If it dose not apply to you put N/A but don't leave black spots. The more info you can provide the better. And if you think that something my be "iffy" or that they will never know. Put it down. Because they will find out. This isn't cards, Its your life. Don't gamble. |
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You know it York ! LOL
One more thing I thought of (and you thougth I was done lol), is the questions about medical information. When you sign the clearance package, there are two forms on the back, one is the authorization for release of MEDICAL records and the other is the release of information (kind of general huh). So as it pertains to MEDICAL HISTORY Questions, Uncle Sam does not make a habit out of looking at your medical records before you join. However, lets say you join and you now claim to have breathing problems or anxiety or lower back pain, etc etc. With this form they can look into your previous medical history and if they found prior cases that you didn't mention, they can now throw you out. |
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RR and any others,
This is not going to be a post that is specific to every situation that is out there, but one that is general in nature to help everyone out. RR, since your post didn't ask a question, I don't know what to tell you other than he needs to divulge it. If you are looking for a "What are the Chances" type of answer, your best bet is to talk to a recruiter. And this goes for all people asking the , " I have this....." or "Can I get in with .....". ASK YOUR RECRUITER !!!!! |
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So when do they start your background check? Is it when you are in DEP or do they start it when you have left already. And also if you need only a seceret clearance do they just do the NAC or do they do more?
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Hello, I am writing because I am planning to enlist as National Guard Military Police, and eventually want to become an officer.
When the PERSCOM Security Interviewer interviews me for my Military Police confidential level security clearance in the future, will I be asked something like "have you ever dishonestly filled in timetables" for my work history? Because I HAVE dishonestly filled in timetables during a job several times when I was seventeen years old, I am now twenty, and I am afraid it will impact my chances of getting into the military. Even though nobody knows of this reprehensible deed, I will not lie. I am determined to live a moral life. If I admit to this, will I get disqualified from the military or from a security clearance? (If it is clear I am going to be dq'ed, then there is no point for me in enlisting). Another caveat is that I have answered "no" in a previous background history interview/check I passed with a local law enforcement agency when verbally asked "have you ever dishonestly filled in timetables." I honestly did not remember of this incident when I was verbally asked the question, and hence, answered "no" at the time. So my new answer would be inconsistent with my old one. Does this inconsistency disqualify me from the military or from a security clearance? I am unwilling to lie and really want to do my part in the military. Please let me know if: 1. If the "have you ever dishonestly filled in timetables" question will be asked for my security clearance or any potential future clearance I may apply for. 2. If I can get dq'ed for dishonestly filling in the timetable in the past 3. If I can get dq'ed for misrepresenting the truth (accidentily) in a previous background check 4. Waiver? Thank you so much. |
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I have been recently trying very hard too get into the military. I had a class 3 felony with intent too sell for marajuana. This happened to me when I was 17 yrs. old I was a young punk kid at the time. I'm now 25 with 2 children an a soon to be wife. I have been trying too find a way for me to be able to join the military. It would benefit myself allowing me too have a good career and also help me take care of my family. I was wondering if their is anyway I could get into the military with this charge from my past on my record.
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soooooooo what if i got a DUI recently and im still on probation and will be for the next year and a half....and i have to pay a very large fine. but i want to join the marine corps right after i graduate high school.... will that be a road block for me joining on time???
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Being on probation is a problem. Not stating where you are makes it a bit difficult to answer, however, you should be able to have the attorney representing you in your case contact the presiding judge. It is not abnormal to see the judiciary release an individual contingent upon their enlistment into the armed forces. Best wishes. |
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Though a recruiter may provide different information...one question comes to mind...were you adjudicated as a juvenile? If so...I don't see an issue here! Talk with your local recruiter. |
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Can someone answer my question. |
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I can shed a little light on this as I am going through the same thing. It doesnt matter if you were an adult or a juvenile when the charge happened. It is treated the same. They may be a little more lenient for the juvenile but not much. It really depends on the person as a whole! It also depends on the branch that you want to go into. I know the Air Force, Air Guard and Coast Guard will not touch you without a congressional inquiry. The Marine Corp says in black and white that possession with intent has to be under 35 grams or it is non waiverable. You would have to go for and exception to policy and those are hard to do in the Marine Corp. In the Navy it is waiverable. However, your chances of getting a waiver are somewhat slim as they really dont grant alot of waivers for that. In the Army it is a non waiverable offense. You would have to get an exception to policy. However, I hear that the Army has granted these more so than other branches. I met a guy at MEPS that was shipping with this juvenile charge. I had this charge as a juvenile and had to pass a physical before I met the Company Commander for an interview. He signed off on it and now I will interview with the Battalion Commander. If I get their blessing then it will go to the USAREC level. I was told by a recruiter that the Guard has a 3 year sunset rule and I would have no problem getting in. I do know that the Navy and Army look at the person as a whole and what accomplishments they have made since. I had to get all of my college transcripts, honor society certificates, letters of reccomendation from professors, my pastor, my judge, employers, a doctor I did volunteer work for and even some retired officers I know and work with. My packet it 2 inches thick and 75% of it is good stuff that I have done since my charge. They said my chances look good because what I have done since. I hope some of this helps you and others with this problem. It is alot of work and very time consuming but if you really want in it can be possible. Just make sure you find a recruiter that is willing to go through the very long and difficult process. Also, remember that this info may vary depending on your location and battalion. |
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If your records show anything that relates to being dismissed or let off of probation for any reason pertaining to military service that DQ's you from all branches permanently. It cannot say anything on your record about joining the military. This happened to a friend of mine. He later got it changed to let off of probation for the greater good of justice and was allowed in. Also, if you are on probation, you cannot join any branch. The Army has a 30 day waiting period after probation before you can process. Air Force and Coast Guard is 90 days. The Marine Corp and Navy is 0 days. This is what all of the recruiters told me. |
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Can someone please answer my question. Why is their even a sticky if no one is going to answer questions in here. |
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Got into some fights and crap back in middle and HS (2 i was charged for) never served anytime and its not on my record when i had to get a background from S.L.E.D. i was like 15-16 teenager stuff. how will it affect me?? because i was told its not even on my record i can not find it and really don't know how.
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1789, why don't you try searching for an answer to your question? People get tired of answering the same questions over and over. They start doing the check when you submit the packet. |
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I dont know if this post is still live, but here goes. 4 Years ago i got charged with Attempted Burglary, Withheld Judgement. I was sitting on the roof of strip mall/plaza thingy, smoking a cig. The kid I was with, unknown to me, was already on felony probation for burglary. Hence the charge I received. I to this day feel it should have been a trespassing charge, but thats aside the point.
I'm about to be off probation, just have to pay the rest of my fines, and have been waiting this entire time hoping I will be able to enlist. The charge will be reduced to a misdemeanor. I understand the fact that they will still see the felony charge. My goal in life since I was a child was to go into the Special Forces (planning on going the army path, hopefully in time be able to make delta force, but thats idealistic). In every other aspect I am qualified for this position. I am the ideal candidate for this position. And if this wont hinder me, I will not fail at achieving this status. I am 24, have a 4 yr old son and am soon to be married, delayed do to financial reasons, and have weighed this decision with a lot of thought, and research. I know its the right place for me, and the ideal career for me, but if I am not able to achieve my goal do to a mistake I made as a young dumb a**, I see no point in wasting my time. Wear does the military stand on this. |
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I am no expert but what I am in a similiar situation. I was told that I would not be able to start out with special forces in my contract because of my charge and my credit report is not really good. I have to pay off a couple charges and then it will be good.
I was told that for special forces or anything else with a secret clearance would require me doing a regular enlistment and then I may qualify again in a couple years. I was told this by a few different recruiters. So I dont know how true it is? Good luck and to all you kids out there remember that the mistakes you make today even as a juvenile WILL haunt you forever!!! |
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Hello!
Im interested in joining the military (haven't decided on air force or the army). When i was 20 (currently 22) my roommate at the time accused me of stealing 100 dollars from her. I didnt do it, but i was charged with the crime. when it went before a judge it was thrown out for lack of evidence. no fine. no probation. will this hurt my chances, should i tell my recruiter? just looking for a little guidence. |
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I live in kiss. FL. I joined the army in 1993 and was released on a re3 discharge from the army. In 1994 i was charged and pleaed out to a felony burglary charge. and then in 1999 i was charged with d.u.i. my credit sucks also . I told my recuiter about my d.u.i. but did not tell him about my felony what should i do thanks
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Read the next sticky below! |
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Anybody got an answer for this one ?? will it factor in? |
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13770418
I can only assume that you are asking about the impact of your juvenile offenses on obtaining a security clearance. Absent any other problems, two juvenile offense that happened (in your case)2 or more years ago, will have minimal effect on a security clearance. For more information see Guideline J (criminal conduct) and Guideline E (personal conduct) in the Adjudicative Guidelines for Determining Eligibility for Access to Classified Information, which is available at http://lastpostpublishing.com/resources.aspx |
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will I know if I got my TS Clearance yet?
how long will it take, an investigator stopped by my folks house as well as mine but that was about a month ago and haven't heard anything since! I assume no news is good news but hey, i'm not too worried about it. thanks in advance! |
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benwolk,
Average turnaround time for a standard SSBI (used for TS clearances) by OPM is about 1 year. OPM has standard, accelerated, and priorty service. Priority is the fastest and most expensive. Average adjudication time is about 30 to 40 days. Generally, once an OPM investigator starts working on a case, that portion of the case will be done in 2 to 3 weeks, if there are no problems. If you lived, worked, or went to school in other locations during the past 7 years, then investigative work is also being done in those locations, and there is no way for you to determine if that work is done. Once your clearance is granted, you will be notified by your employer's security manager, called in to sign non-disclosure statement, and given a security briefing. |
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Do disclosures affect re-enlistment in the Marine Corps?
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Hello,
I have recently become seriously interested in joining the military but have been curious about it for the past few years. I've spoken with naval and marine recruiters this week and will speak to the airforce and army next week. More than likely I will go into a delayed entry program for a few months so I can get in good shape and tie-up any loose ends, financial or otherwise. My field of interest is linguistics, though I haven't decided on a language just yet (though I'm leaning towards arabic). My biggest concern about joining right now is my background check and acquiring a moral waiver. I am currently 25 years old and have few misdemeanor and traffic charges. I have one DWI that is two years old. I have been told that this is usually no problem but I was also caught driving outside of my limited driving priviledge and got my license suspended for a year on a PFJ. It will be reinstated in January of next year. Also, I have one marijuana possession charge against me as well. However,The county I was charged in was not where I resided. Having no lawyer, I pleaded guilty and was sentenced to community service and an abuse assessment both of which were completed. A few weeks later, however, two cops showed up at my appartment and tood me to appear before the local magistrate. Apparently, I failed to appear for a "review" since I was an out of county resident. I was set free without the incident going on my arrest record. I called the DA and was told I would get a new date. Nothing, however, happened and I have since moved. I have always been a bit concerned that there may be a warrant for my arrest but have never known how to approach it. I have worked several jobs and qualified for leases and loans since then but I am still confused about my criminal record. I have discussed (very briefly) my record with both of the recruiters I've met with and both seem to be confident about a waiver but I am still in the very early stages and have not had a thorough background check done. So, should I ask the recruiters to do a background check now before I go any further? Can they do one before MEPS? Can a Judge look more favorably if I do go into the military? Will I qualify for the security clearance I need? Will these incidents disqualify me for my MOS? How will it affect my DEP? I really don't want to waste my own time or the recruiters' time so I really want to get this resolved as early in the process as possible. I'm extremely nervous that something I've forgotten will come back to bite me or if I'm misunderstood or ignored. I am, however, very willing to commit my best efforts to this if I can get everything taken care of. Thanks to all in advance, Jim |
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can I enlist in the military while on unsupervised probation?
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Jim (aka: prospective_recruit),
There are 5 automatic disqualifiers for security clearances: 1)served one year or more in prison/jail for a felony offense, 2) dishonorable discharge from military, 3) mentally incompetent, 4) current drug user, 5) possess and use foreign passport. Otherwise, no one can tell you in advance whether or not you will be granted a security clearance. However, only a small percentage of clearances are denied. You can make an intelligent appraisal of your chances by reviewing the Adjudicative Guidelines referenced in an earlier post on this thread. The "background checks" done by a recruiter are limited to some police records checks, credit report, and education record. Your recruiter will attempt to do some or all of these checks on you before you go to MEPS. The law enforcement checks done by recruiters are not comprehensive. Not all law enforcement agencies respond to name checks requested by military recruiters. The real security investigation starts after you submit your security paperwork at MEPS. Most court dockets are public records, and you can go to a courthouse and review any record on you. Under state and federal laws, you have a legal right to receive a copy of any criminal justice record pertaining to you. It sounds to me like the informaion you are interested in can be found at the courthouse(s) you appeared at. Eligibility for an MOS is based on military recruiting regulations. Your recruiter determines whether your circumstances make you eligible for certain military specialties with or without a waiver. If you are nervous about something you may have forgot, go to each police department and court in your area and ask them for a copy of any information they may have on you. Also get a free copy of your credit report online. |
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ok, here's my case. I went to join backin Dec2006 and then i didn't ship. They discharged me with a re-3f and jdt1 code. My recruiter has waivers on everything for me except for the most recent charges and when i was in Rehab for 6 months a few years back. I talked to another recruiter about my discharge and explained the situation, he said that i should have only gotten a none shipper bonus out of the DEP or something. Then i talked to an Air Force Recruiter which told me that i wouldn't be able to get into the air force even if i wanted to because of the discharge that i got. I guess someone went outta their way to make sure i couldn't get back in or whatever. ANyway, my original recruiter is having a waiver done on me now, it's been a few weeks and i just talked to him today and faxed him some more paperwork. what i'm asking is, should i disclose the rehab stuff?
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For what charge? |
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i also am on unsupervised probation for an adjudicated underage DUI. I have court coming up here in a few days and then i plan to just tell the judge about me going into the service and if he can dismiss my probation in lieu of me enlisting. That's the best thing i could come up with. Either that, or a recruiter has to go up there and vouche for you. But the recruiters don't like to go unless you're already off. Sort of a catch-22
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if everything is how you said, then there is nothing to worry about. and yes, tell your recuiter. |
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and if you're on any probation or anything, you have to get off before you can join. You cannot have any charges or probation pending. |
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Have a question? I just re-enlisted to the air guard. Got out of the marine reserve honorable. I do have a couple of credit cards in collections. They are in the process of being payed off. Will this hurt my security clearance.The debt total is only $2500.
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Acutally, there are a few minor charges you can enlist with while still on unsupervised probation (Army). They are: Curfew violation Damaging road signs Disorderly conduct Dumping refuse on or near a highway Jumping a turnstile Wayward youth Littering Loitering Purchase, possession or consumption of alcoholic beverages by a minor Robbing orchard (My PERSONAL FAVE!) Vagrancy Violation of fireworks law Violation of fish and game laws Violation of leash laws |
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Probably not too much as long as they're current and didn't go over 180 days. |
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I AM AN EX. navy seabee. I GOT ARRESTED FOR A FIGHT AT A CASINO. I discharged from the Bees with an honorable discharge. whats my chances of re enlisting? I was a cm3.
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I have been trying to get inlisted into th Army for the past six months or so. I was told by my recruiter that all of my traffic tickets had to be completely paid off in order for them to even send me to take the ASVAB. Is there a way for me get around this and go ahead with the inlistment process while I am paying on these tickets? If some one sould email me with info @ rmybtch@yahoo.com I wouldreally appreciate it.
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does anyone know how long waivers usually take to go through.???
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It depends on the branch, what the waiver is for etc. |
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it is a moral waiver. for the air force. because of a dui
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A friend of mine wants to join with me as a buddy team in the Navy Reserves. In high school, years ago, he smoked a joint. He was never caught, no one ever said anything and it was nothing more than experimenting in high school. Does this need to be disclosed on the SF86 or on the medical records? It was probably over 15 years ago and he hasn't touched it since.
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i'm 16 and was charged as an adult at 15 and have a felony on my record when i get out i will be 19 probably i go to court and will be sentenced in october can anyone tell me if i can join the coast gaurd
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I would talk to a lawyer and see about getting your charges reduced or reverse certified as a juvenile. A juvenile record is the only one that can really be expunged from the military and clearance checks. My friend is a lawyer and he was told by JAG lawyers that an expungment of juvenile records not only seals records, anyone associated with the juvenile could rely on the fact under statute that no case ever existed. Meaning if the military called up the juvenile probation officer...that officer could basically say...who the ? is that person. Thus, in the military an expunged case for adult is still recoverable if sought out. In a juvenile expungment the only way the juvenile's history can be uncovered is if there is a pending criminal investigation going and a request is made to unseal the records. Security Clearances or enlisting for the military is not considered a "criminal investigation". If it is on your adult record you can pretty much count out CG and AF and maybe even Marines and Navy. Depending on what it is, the Guard and Army may give you a waiver but dont count on it. |
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Ok, this one's for Yukon im sure you'll love my question.
How many waivers can one need before the recruiter says NO GO. 1. I volunteered for rehab for a nervous breakdown in 2004. I was in for 3 days. At that time I had a 6yr old, a 11 month old, and found out I was pregnant. All while living with an abusive husband. So I have 3 kids and hubby relocated with girlfriend. So that's 2 waivers so far right? 2. Credit is horrible, no other way to describe it. That makes 3 right? 3. Case where I was accused of punching dent in roof of a car. I weighed 105 at the time, case dismissed, but anyone can look that case up. 4. No health insurance so cant afford therapy. 5. My visions 20/600 in my right eye w/o glasses...how many jobs does that knock me out of? 6. I have a reckless driving charge from 2003, no fine, just had to take DIP classes, havent had a ticket in almost 3 years, I need to disclose that right? ****7. I know you are probably going to say, ask a recruiter, but I want to know if I should even attempt b/c I have a feeling I'll get laughed at. By the way, I was in contact with a recruiter in high school. I think I got a 98 on my ASVAB and he was saying something about nuclear power until he realized I had a child. I wasnt to happy about my mother taking care of my son...she was an addict at the time. I wanted to go into the Navy b/c I know they offer radiology. Since then (1999), I have been slowly working my way through community college and have been regretting not enlisting every since. If you dont think the Navy (my first choice) will work for me, maybe you can suggest another branch that might better fit me? Thanks! |
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Just thought I'd throw this out there to check that some of my future plans won't be affected by my birthplace:
Right now, I'm a born and bred British Citizen with a Green Card. When I get my US Citizenship, I will renounce my British one in order to show my loyalties are 100% with the US. Let's say I then want to work in something which requires a Top Secret/SCI Clearance (e.g. Space/Missile Ops with the USAF). As my birthplace was in Britain, will I be ineligible for such a clearance? I have spoken to ex-pat Brits who have successfully obtained Secret Clearances after they got their US Citizenship, but I wanted to see if Top Secret/SCI would be a possibility too. Although I've heard through various sources that it would be fine, they've all been "friend of a friend" type of information, so I'm trying to get a more concrete answer now to help my future career plans. Thanks for any help or advice given! |
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I personally know of at least 2 people that had TS/SCI clearances and weren't born US Citizens. Both are current citizens, and had been for several years, though.
My step brother is an Iranian (in the US since age 2) with a green card, and he was cleared to Secret level, so if there's a will, there's a way. For all we know, they are processing Ahmadinejad's SF-86 form as we speak. It's alphabetical, so they'll have to get to it before 'B'in Laden or 'C'astro. |
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take a look at these...aproval and disaporval of SC cases
http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/2007.html |
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Got a quick question for any recruiters(ARMY) on here. I went and talked to a recruiter the other day and I felt like like I was told a bunch of BS about a few things but I'm not knowledgeable about the waivers. I have a DUI for 02. I was basically told I need a waiver and this I understand, however, he said that I couldn't apply to any MOS that required a Security Clearance. He said I would have to get some other MOS and that once I was in I could put in a request for a clearance and it would be granted almost automatically, and then I could transfer or put in an application to whatever i wanted. I said what's the point of a waiver then? I'm not signing up for anything unless its what I want. I don't think that the Army is in a position to be that picky especially now. Plus this guy didn't really want to talk about anything other than becoming a medic. Any guidance guys? Appreciate man.
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There are lazy recruiters that don't want to do any extra work, then you have recruiters that will go the extra mile to get you in, write up a statement and do all the leg work for waivers.
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WieSchatten That is BS. Your criminal conviction is just one part of many to the equation that grants security clearance. Find another recruiter that will agree to help get you what you want.
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Wanna bet? Yeah, the Army has loosened up a bit on some areas, but they're not going to loosen up on everything. If you have ONE DUI (I'll take it on good faith that you do), then I can see your frustration, because they should be able to waive your DUI. On the otherhand, whether the Army needs folks or not, it is still NOT Burger King. There are some rules and regs that still have to be maintained. You maybe able to get waived to get into the Army, but some MOSs might be off-limits to you because of your DUI waiver. To be sure, you should ask your recruiter to see those regs in writing just to see if he's BSing you or not. |
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Yukodogg is exactly on target. Let me add something to it...I was TS/SCI. The "fence jumpers" drom DIS (?) and OSI interviewed my neighbors in person as well as a few girlfriends (this was back in the mid-70's). They have a good technique whereby you give 4 references (for example). They will contact 1 or more of them but will then ask them for secondary lists of people they know that knew you!. In short - if you have skeletons be upfront and they will work with you and you preserve your credibility.Honesty is not always comfortable but it is the best way.
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Futureamerican - My children's godfather was AF OSI Counterintell. Born in wales. His TS/SCI clearance took longer but he was vetted out nevertheless. be patient and be persistent.
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I don't know anything about getting waivers to enter the military, but I can tell you that military servicemen with DUIs in their background are regularly processed for Top Secret clearance with SCI access and are ususally successful in getting the clearance, if there are no complicating factors or other suitability issues present. I've conducted hundreds of clearance investigations on initial entry trainees who had a DUI.
Istgnfghtr comment about his step-brother who is a green card holder having a Secret clearance is incorrect. Only U.S. citizen can be granted a security clearance. There is something called a Limited Access Authorization (LAA), but it is only available to non-ciitzens with exceptional skills that the U.S. Government needs desperately for some project. Useful information for military applicants regarding security clearances can be found at http://lastpostpublishing.com/resources.aspx This message has been edited. Last edited by: SCMAuthor, |
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Not exactly correct, because the medical release form you are talking about only covers mental health treatment and counseling. |
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I have been instructed that no background check will be done except for law violations unless my MOS requires any security clearance. This is for a supply slot with the Gaurd. So, I am wondering if it is sometimes better to "forget" some things knowing that it will not likely ever be checked on, or do they pull credit and medical on everyone for any MOS?
I am skeptical of this whole process at times and I am wondering if my recruiter may be leading me into a bad situation for both of us. I admit to having awful credit, some medical history but nothing really major, and disclosed my law violations. Any general advice would be greatly appreciated. |
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Disclose everything, regardless. Do not be influenced to lie by anybody. This is YOUR future you are dealing with. Uncle Sam has ways of finding out. |
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I know Uncle Sam has ways of finding anything out, but will any kind of comprehensive background check be done if you DO NOT need a security clearance? I have no problems laying low until I straighten out my credit, but I don't want it to be an issue just to get a damn Supply job in a NG unit...
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I am going to MEPS soon and I have no police record at all other than a few minor traffic tickets. However, my WIFE has a felony on her record from a few years back. No where does it ask about her criminal record, but if I need a security clearance for my job (I wish to be a Storekeeper for the Navy) would her record affect my career? Should I tell them at MEPS that I am clean but my spouse was arrested and convicted once? Does it matter?
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I have no idea if a Navy storekeeper needs a security clearance; however, all Navy enlistee are subject to a NACLC (the type of investigation required for a Secret clearance) even if they don't need a clearance. The Adjudicative Guidelines for issuing security clearances (see my earlier post) list only one potentially disqualifying condition for your situation: "association with persons involved in criminal activity." However this condition generally only applies to recent conduct and by extention the probability of future conduct.
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Hi, I am dep'd into the Marine Corp under data/electronics field. Pretty much all the jobs require a secret security clearance. I needed (and obtained) a waiver for 2 DUIs from 4 years ago. My recruiter told me that I would be given a secret security clearance on good faith after I get my MOS and be able to keep it as long as I keep my nose clean. Is he just telling me what I want to hear and am I gonna end up kicking doors in sunny Iraq? Thanks.
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Well according to my recruiter and my own research a Navy Storekeeper does not need a security clearance. My wifes crime was committed in 2005 and was non violent and non drug related, so I hope if the Navy conducts a background check on her it does not cause her any trouble.
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For my juvenile offences 6 years ago, where and how do i find the info about them so i can list it? all i remember was being told at 18 i would have it sealed, however i have had few background cheaks for the last 3 years and nothing has come up. My currenty job is security, so i guess i must have a clean record. because when asked on app i put NO.
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HEy.. it doesn't matter if they told you that it was sealed or not on your record. The military sees it all man.. you need to be straight up and tell them. because if there is something to find and they want to then they will. I had something like that where i was under age and didn't get finger printed or anyhting but still got in trouble ya know. i jus told the recruiter and he had me write up an a essay thing explaining what happend and al. I told him what happend and told him that i didn't have any paper work cause i never had to go to court or anyhting ya know. but he found it, so deff don't lie and tell them everything
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You just got to report it. If you don't, when they find out you'll be in a world of hurt. You can be charged with Fraudulent Enlistment, discharged, fined, imprisoned, and stuck with the felony forever. IF THEY WERE LITTLE THINGS, they may be able to waiver/allow you to join anyway, by chalk it up to "Dumb Kid" Syndrome and begging for forgiveness from whoever is in charge for LYING on your App. Worse comes to Worst, since you're DEP or just haven't left yet, you can get out without any trouble. Hiding it only makes it worse. The background checks for Security Clearance go through everything. I had a recruiter tell me once that, "Not even the FBI can look at your sealed records." It's not the FBI doing the looking, it's the God-Almighty DoD. |
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Here is one for the recruiters. I am prior service got out in 1982. Am thinking about going back in, I have 2 felonies, from 1985. I meet the age criteria, but do not know about the felonies. Any thoughts?
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Thank you very much for this information. I plan on going into the army and trying for 37 (psy ops). I have heard tales of DoD talking to people you went to elementary school with, but passed it off as nonsense. glad I read this first. thankfully I got alot of rferences that were military. Including former psy ops, seals,a PJ and a combat controller. And with my families history in the military hopfully this will work in my favor as being dark skinned in a perdomatly white neighborhood was not kind to me growing up and I had rumors of all kinds spread about me. the only thing I can think off that won't work in my favor is credit, but I've already started a payment plan.
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I do have a dumb question though. in florida if you say your going to hurt yourself or do anything that may seem even the remotest chance that your going to hurt yourself (in this case hurt being suicidal) someone can call the sheriff and have you bakeracted. I had this happen in 2006, got stupid drunk and apparently took way more asprin than I needed to to get rid of my headache. one of the people I partied with called the cops I guess thinking it would be funny.. Needless to say I woke up with a bad headache still and locked up in a hospital. I wound up in a mental health place after they observed me and such. I had no intention of hurting myself and am a generally happy person. (I'm a dad, how can I not be) I was released on my own accord. never went back to the counceling crap cuz I honestly don't need it. will this affect me in some way getting the necessary clearences? if so how can I fight it or get past it? I have a clean record except minor traffic offenses, and because of that incident I have maybe a glass of wine with dinner but stay away from drinks and parties. I also have done volunteer work of all kinds sine I was a teenager, would that way things in my favor?
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I served six years in the Army, the last one in Iraq. When I got back I was a little messed up and got Baker Acted three times in the first six months I was home. I was released from the hospital each time the next morning. I am fine now and have had no problems for nearly two years. I am trying to join the Air Force Reserves (Security Forces), will this this affect me getting a security clearance.
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Hey guys, I'm not in the military, but I found the information listed in the Adjudicative Guidelines very resourceful. I'm going through HELL right now with DHS over something that is ridiculous. The guidelines give me some perspective on what the process is and what the disqualifiers are (which I feel arms me a little in my defense of this situation). However, when it comes down to it, the government, and particular adjucator on your case, can basically do whatever they want. And there's nothing you can do.
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if you did any drugs in the past and you tell them the truth would this risk your chances of joining, or should you just lie?
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I have read through some of these posts and would like to offer a little advice to those trying to enlist in a cleared job. I held a Top Secret, SCI clearance for more than 4 years in the Navy. I saw some guys get washed out for clearance issues and think I have some useful information.
First, this isn't high school. Your SF 86 isn't a test to pass. They don't deduct exactly deduct x amount of points for an offense. What the DOD is looking for is simply whether you are going to give secrets away. One of the main concerns and easiest way to lure people to give away secrets is money. If someone is short on money, they are more likely to sell secrets. That is why the credit check is important. Another concern is general mental health. They need to know you are in control of yourself and won't inadvertently give out secrets. Another concern is general disregard for rules and authority. Someone that doesn't care about following the law may be less likely to care enough about their country to keep its secrets. Above all, they are looking to make sure there isn't something someone can hold against you and get you to give up secrets. This may be a secret affair or juvenile detention records, drug habits, etc. The DOD is looking to make sure you don't have secrets/ habits that can be used against you to make you give up state secrets. That is why it is so important to DIVULGE EVERYTHING! If you went to counseling as a kid, divulge it (that one cost our class honorman his clearance). I'm not saying divulging something means it won't disqualify you. However, I am saying that not divulging something can cause you to get disqualified for something that would've been minor if you had divulged it. As for admitting drug use. That is a tough one. I don't know what the status of waivers are now. When I went in, there were no drug waivers for clearances but also no lie detector tests. I seriously never did drugs but I know of more than one guy that had and simply lied. However, I've also known guys that were granted waivers and were given a lie detector test. I think again that it is best to tell the truth. You may not want to tell them you smoked a ton of grass a day though- no need to hang yourself. One thing to keep in mind when going for a clearance is that you weren't as sly as you thought while you were engaging in questionable acts. Although most people will give you the benefit of the doubt and not be out to get you when questioned, the DOD will find out about some of your escapades. If you were somewhat of a partier don't try to act like you were in the Christian Reading room every Saturday night. |
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Well i don't hide the fact of my past actions when i was 15-16 years old. I never spent any time in jail for any of it,also it was almost a decade ago. I just don't want uncle sam saying iam a risk using old juvenile records and not looking at the one that counts the 18 and up stuff. If you was looking at my history from the age 15-now you would think after 17 i droped off the face of the earth. Also NONE of my actions as a teen was drug related nor theft.
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That recruiter was FOS. Sealed records are sealed to prevent PUBLIC access to the records. LE, including the FBI, most certainly can access sealed records for official purposes. |
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hi, im considering joining the marines, and i was wondering whether i would be able to join the marines if i have ADD. i have overcome it in my opinion and i know it is the most disdiagnosed disorder in the world. if anyone could answer my question, that would be great.
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I just recently enlisted into the Navy with a DUI on my record. I am currently in the delayed entry program and I just recieved an underage drinking citation while in DEP. The Navy had offered me a special operations contract to be a swick, and I was wondering how this citation is going to affect my job and my enlistment. I know I'll still be able to go but I just don't want to get stuck with a crap job when I know I could be doing something better.
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Stephen,
So how did that booze taste? You may have well negated any promising contracts. Ethics and moral plan a large part in granting security clearances. When I was active duty and carried a clearance, being on subs, you had better have kept your nose clean. You may be able to salvage your situation by talking to your recruiter..because they will find out, and ask about suggestions. They may say to enter into a alcohol treatment plan, or simply start attending AA meetings, or they may just say pay all your fines or delay your active date until you can prove to them you aren't a risk. If this would have happened while you were already active duty you would have gone in front of the old man and been looking at a possible bust. Odds are it would have been a suspended and forfeiture of pay for X amount of months. so, you may be looking at a suck job, or maybe you aren't. Just ask....but in any rate, GOOD LUCK |
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Judge said NO...no problem, but be sure to tell your recruiter and supply him with the court record, just go to the court clerk, they can give it to you. The recruiter will probably have to disclose it anyway....so what did you buy with the 100? |
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An SSBI can take a year or so, then when it renews when you are active it takes a month or more months. When I received mine I was just entering A school. The first time you go home on leave and stop in to see your old teachers etc, they'll tell you, "Yep, they came in and asked about you, I knew they were Feds" |
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Future American: Like you, I am a born and bred Brit (London) and served in the USAF with a TS clearance. Not a problem. Good luck! |
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I have a question for anyone that could give me some advice.... I'm going to the MEP'S to take my physical on thursday and I was wondering if they do a security check that day...I have bad credit and I I dont want this to DQ me from the AF... It will all be paid off by the time I Leave for basic but I dont want it to be a problem now...Should I even go on thursday?
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i would deff stil go on thursday. your recruiter should have asked you about all that stuff already. just talk to your recruiter and tell him whats up. good luck
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Hello everyone. I also have a couple of clearance questions. The MOS that I recently signed for requires a TS Clearance. I have no criminal history other than a speeding ticket about 7 years ago, but my former girlfriend does have a record. We are still good friends, so I am using her for a reference. I had no involvement in anything that she did other than helping her out with money for her restitution. I was wondering if her past would cause any issues with my clearance.
Also, there were a few things that I forgot during my security interview, namely one parking ticket and to mention a friend of mine who I believe is a German citizen. Will I have a chance to mention these things later or should I try to call MEPS? Any advice with either of these things would be appreciated. Thanks. |
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Hello All
ROTC Cadet here with a few questions. 1. I tried to enlist in the USMC about 16 Months ago. My mother had different plans. She called up the recruiter and told him that I had been taking ADHD medicine 6 months previously. Will this come up in the background check that goes on before contracting? Will this cause more extensive back ground checks? 2. Module 19: of EPSQ asks about Medical History. What should I put down for this. Should I put down that in high school I was on anti-depressant medicine and ADHD Pills? Will this cause a more extensive back ground check? My father was affected by 9/11. We went to family therapy. There is an option to circle saying that the counseling or therapy was not related to violence by you. Technically it wasn't. 3.Module 30 : After I went out and got drunk in high school my parents made me go to some treatment for a short amount of time. What should I put for this Module. My PMS has a strict no under age drinking policy and because of that I no longer drink during school. Any advice is very much appreciated. I very much want to be commissioned and I don't want to void my contract. Thanks for responses ahead of time. |
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mumblesxx; Your speeding ticket will have no affect on a TS what-so-ever. As to using you ex that has a previous record - it could and cou not do any damage. More than likely none also but it solely dependent upon who the interviewing deems her record. I would not be concerned terribly but if you have another option and very good friend, I would suggest using another name to be on the safe side. Also, an investigator will not only look at your background, but also whom they interview and also interview others that know your reference. People will be interviewed that might not even know you! Unless they bring up the fact you had not mentioned some minor violation as a parking ticket, dont bother. Happens all the time. And are you implying you cannot have a friend whom has citizenship of another country!? Preposterous! Keep your mouth shut when in doubt. Answer what they ask and keep it simple. Good Luck! |
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14223468, As far as I know, from what I have read and been told (I am no expert), everything you have spoken of is automatically a disqualifier. Talk to your recruiter about waiver possibilities, but they may not even want to bother, so they'll probably advise you to lie. If you ever go for any high clearance jobs, it is sure to come up and really turn ugly for you. Good luck. |
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I cannot speak for navy, airforce or marines, but in the army Posession with intent to distribute is a Non-Waiverable offense (as per regulation AR601-210 4-24q) which reads: q. Subject of initial court conviction or other adverse disposition for sale, distribution, or trafficking (including “intent to”) of cannabis (marijuana), or any other controlled substance. Any recruiter can request a meritorious case for you as per AR601-210 4-24p2 which reads: (2)Applicants with juvenile serious criminal misconduct offenses who have had no offenses within 5 years of application for enlistment may be considered for a waiver in meritorious cases. A meritorious case is not something that they just give to anyone, you really need to demonstrate, in many areas of your life, that you have turned yourself around completly and you cannot, under any circumstance, have charges more recent than 5 years. Your best bet is to go to a police department and ask for your rap sheet, then bring it to a recruiter and ask if they can work you. Just a heads up, before they will start working your moral waiver, you are going to need to get married. Single parents with custody are also disqualified under the dependents portion of the army's enlistment criteria. I think its great that you want to serve your country, but just remember, if they should decide that you are not qualified there are still many things you can do to better your country. Work in your community or just be a good and honest citizen. |
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My son is enlisting in the Army soon with an 25S MOS {Sat. communication} that requires a TS clearance. He has never been in trouble of any sort, no drugs and no arrests. His mother however is currently in Federal prison for fraud after stealing from an office she worked at, before her arrest she was considered a piller of the community. Will this prevent my son from getting his TS clearance?
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No problem for your son even though the family situation will be investigated.
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I am looking at enlisting and am curious what my credit will do to me. I am 18, and have taken out a bike loan and paid it off, giving me decent credit. I was however, in an accident that resulted in $90k in medical bills, since the insurance company denied me coverage after I had been assured I had it, and the companies refuse to take payments. They have not hit my credit yet, but may be soon. Will this be looked at like any other type of unpaid debt?
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you probably won't be denied entrance into the Army or NG, but you may have trouble with other branches due to security clearances. Look at the Army MOS that doesn't require much clearance. If that is all you have on your back, you should be able to get in. I am certain people with worse situations are getting waivers, but you need to pick the right MOS to avoid clearance issues. By the way, I am not a recruiter and not trying to pose as one, just speaking from my own experience and information I was given.
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Hey everyone, I know it must get old seeing the same questions over and over again! So I apologize in advance because I'm sure this question is somewhere in here as well. I read through a few of the other replies in here to see if I could get my answer but I didn't see anything that was really what I needed.
I am writing on behalf of my boyfriend, who has had plans to join the Navy for quite awhile now. He recently decided to go for it and has been speaking a lot with his brothers (both navy) and also to an ex recruiter. (He never thought to ask this question until last night when his brother brought it up) My bf is young but unfortunately has quite a bit of debt-- probably about $20,000. Some came from mistakes he's made, and some is from being a cosigner on a family members behalf. :\ He is terrified now that he won't get in because of this. He IS trying to pay it off, but he can't afford it right now. Him and I are working on a plan to make SOME kind of payment plan. The debt is probably a year old and I'm sure it's on his credit report now. Do you guys, honestly please, think there is a shot of him getting in with his credit needing help like that? Thanks for reading this, and again, I am sorry for being so repetitive. But I appreciate any help!  |
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pebbles, you are right, this question has been answered many times. The military certainly does not want debt ridden folks, but that is not an automatic NO. It all comes down to security clearances with credit and debt. It shows a person's trustworthiness and it is a risk to give clearance to someone who may sell secrets to pay debt. That being said, have your boyfriend submit an application and go for a low security job until his credit is fixed. The Navy might say NO, but another branch may say OK because it depends on what jobs he can qualify for. Does that make sense, yes, it does. Good luck.
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Hello,
I was looking at the SF-86 today and I would have to say that the majority of the people I have worked for/with I have no contact details for and as far as I know they no longer work for the company. I have job history going back to my first job but I would have to say other than the last few companies none of them are in business anymore. Also, I don't know who knew me when I lived in half the places I've lived. I guess it doesn't help that I've bounced around a lot. So, is it a big deal when there are a bunch of blank spaces on the SF-86? Thanks. |
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