What is this crickets chirping? You Bushie defenders obviously have nothing to say on point or substantive, solely another sordid serving of "Stay the Course"--- in this quagmire. Not a single person can rebut the truth in Joe's statements, solely one-liner statements fully displaying the strength of neo con intellect. All the more plain given the abysmal ratings of the Bushies.
The facts are readily available. Bush/Cheney lied about WMD in Iraq to get their hands on the oil, then the mission changed to implanting democracy, and various iterations, to now it's to chiefly eject Al Qaeda who arrived into Iraq courtesy of Bush's willingness to allow Al Qaeda's sanctuary to develop and grow quite nicely. Is it any surprise that the path to peace is Iraq's oil legislation that will chiefly enrich US companies?
Message to Bush, clean out Al Qaeda's rat nest in Wazaristan if Al Qaeda is truly THE threat you shriek about. As for me, I'm concerned the nut jobs are going to take it up a notch and go into Iran.
Originally posted by rockriver04: What is this crickets chirping? You Bushie defenders obviously have nothing to say on point or substantive, solely another sordid serving of "Stay the Course"--- in this quagmire. Not a single person can rebut the truth in Joe's statements, solely one-liner statements fully displaying the strength of neo con intellect. All the more plain given the abysmal ratings of the Bushies.
The facts are readily available. Bush/Cheney lied about WMD in Iraq to get their hands on the oil, then the mission changed to implanting democracy, and various iterations, to now it's to chiefly eject Al Qaeda who arrived into Iraq courtesy of Bush's willingness to allow Al Qaeda's sanctuary to develop and grow quite nicely. Is it any surprise that the path to peace is Iraq's oil legislation that will chiefly enrich US companies?
Message to Bush, clean out Al Qaeda's rat nest in Wazaristan if Al Qaeda is truly THE threat you shriek about. As for me, I'm concerned the nut jobs are going to take it up a notch and go into Iran.
How lamentable it is to have practically the sole platform to validate an otherwise completely incompetent administration rendered a complete failure.
Especially after blowing the better part of a trillion dollars, destruction of the reputation of the United States of America in the cause of "fighting terrorism", and destruction of our military's readiness, reputation, and equipment.
Interestingly, two reputed Libertarian op-ed writers, Galloway and Eland, keep being accused of following some "party line" or being "leftist" or being arbitrarily "anti-Bush." I read Galloway's op-ed as pro-soldier, pro-USA, anti-tyranny, anti-abuse-of-power. I read him as a constant advocate for smart, thoughtful use of American forces. To me, he sometimes gets heavy-handed but is always on top of the issue. Sadly, if my personal experience means anything, many Americans are still uninformed about "Unitary Executive Theory." It explains, the chutzpah, hubris, audacity, arrogance, whatever you want to call it of an Administration that is so self-absorbed in its sense of rightness and righteousness that it pretends to ask for support, glories in and inflates the support if received, and if the support is not received then behaves "unilaterally"... i.e. does what it wants. UN support for Afghanistan? Great! Iraq? Phooey! GOP Congress? Great! Democratic Congress? Phooey! Majority favorable in polls? Great! Majority unfavorable? Phooey! Stay the course? Great! Redeploy? Phooey! Don't you see a trend here? Traggically, the ones saying "Don't go! It'll be a disaster! You don't know what you're getting into!!! After the cheers and flowers come RPGs!!!!!!" were placed in the Phooey Column.
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In Iraq, where we have 150,000 troops and another 185,000 private contractors bogged down in the middle of a civil war at a cost of $12 billion and over 100 dead Americans a month?
This partial quote got my attention in a big way. If this is true, then we have a bigger privatized army than federal troops fighting a non-declared war that is a war in everything but official name.
Add the obscene costs and tragic, but expected, casualties, and it's hard to fathom what we're trying to accomplish. Especially since it appears that our Iraqi "allies" aren't quite up to their end of the bargain (which is..?)
Americans want to win! But win what?
Islam is the "be all to end all" here. No amount of money and military activity has changed or will change that - stalemate.
Our brave military men and women fight on with less than adequate personnel and support. It is not their fault that this situation is critical; that blame rests with the civilian leadership and its PPP.
These folks should be the next surge, right over to Baghdad. Maybe a hands-on approach and personal attention to detail could yield better results..
It still irritates me terribly that so much is not said and/or twisted to hide the gray side of our govts really terrible policies and good ol boys club rules.
It should outrage everyone that GHWB is in tight with Saudi Arabia and the royal family such that our national policies are skewed to favor these supporters and financers of world wide terrorism. GWB's admin follows the same rules.
Osama Bin Laden is not Iraqi nor is he Persian (Iranian) he is Saudi. He is the leader of the organization that is killing or going to murder millions of people. It by and large is supported by Saudi and we restrain ourselves from going into areas where we could have in the past easily snatched him. But we didnt, because of the ties with The Saudi Royal family by the Bush oil empire and their cohorts.
Now, we have commited our military might into Iraq to divert opinion away from, you guessed it, Saudi and its oil supply and its shadow over other oil producers.
So, here we go again, gotta start overt military operations in Pakistan to soothe the nerves of the naysayers and keep Tony Snowball employed to spin the new policies to us dumbarsed americans as new exec orders are mandated to shut up the opposition.
If we had been open, honest, and gone after AL-Quaida where they lived instead of creating a cesspool in Iraq to cover Saudis duplicity in this mess, we might be in a position to control events in our favor instead of using deceit and lies.
I know a lot of people will pick this post apart, but thats ok, the details may be off a tick here and there, but the gist is pretty darn close to the truth.
The whole darn mess is now such a tangle of "he said, she said" that its almost impossible for the average person to make sense of it at all. However no matter how adamant we are about supporting or opposing the war?/conflict? it is really a muddled incoherent mess that just gets worse with each passing day of PC spin and all the new reasons we are creating new policies to match the changing situation.
It seems that our ship of state has no rudder, no engine, no sails and is full of leaks that we cant stop. Reminds me of the Howdy Doody show on crack. You can bet a bag full of rocking horse poop that it wont get any better any time soon.
We are so divided now that a lot of people change sides allmost daily. Hopefully we will prevail and restore our 'land of the free' to its former self.
funny how specifically Bush gets the D grade, not the country as a whole. What have other countries gotten? UK? (attacked, and pulling out), Spain? (attacked, and pulled out), France? (riots...lots of them). If Joe thinks he knows about the subject so well, then where was he on 9/10, or 9/12 telling the military how to combat terrorism that stretches from Madrid to Manilla? All talk and all unrealistic.
Originally posted by jamesbond: funny how specifically Bush gets the D grade, not the country as a whole. What have other countries gotten? UK? (attacked, and pulling out), Spain? (attacked, and pulled out), France? (riots...lots of them). If Joe thinks he knows about the subject so well, then where was he on 9/10, or 9/12 telling the military how to combat terrorism that stretches from Madrid to Manilla? All talk and all unrealistic.
