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RE: http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,153107,00.html
The fact that this plan is proposed to benefit only those seperated or retired following the Oct. 7, 2001 invasion of Afghanistan just goes to show how far removed from military service those deciding these things are. There are Marines, Sailors, Soldiers, and Airmen out there without whose help the operations in question never would have been fulfilled. They worked as hard as anyone else involved to protect our nation from terrorism and should not be left out in the cold simply because certain individuals out there don't realize that. I suggest putting this piece of legislation through with a date that would allow all those who served to protect our nation from terrorist attack to receive the same benefits, regardless of when they left the military. |
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This administration, Dole, Shalala, Sha na na, and anyone else who signs on to this bill are idiots!!! Women and soldiers working in support are not considered combat. If they are injured then tuff sh#@*t. There are to many uncertainty about this legislation. Way to many loopholes to come back later and screw all veterans. It's just like this administration to use these soldiers as pawns to hurry up and let's get this passed. Createing this smoke screen as if they really care for these soldiers and veterans. Trust me anything you try to hurry up and push through Congress get the grease ready. THIS IS GOING TO HURT FOR A LONG TIME.
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Ok I think that this issue is like "Crap coming out of a gooses ***". I am a combat disabled (FEMALE... 15140708
Basic Training FYI) Vet... Any I believe that if you are going to waist this time and money for the new Gen of vets after such and such time and is not applicable to all the war vets from this war its a crying shame. PUT THE MONEY INTO THE VA SYSTEM OR GIVE US INSURANCE SO WE CAN GET A REAL DOCTOR THAT IS WORTH A ****. I am sick and tired of just being medicated. AKA The Phoenix VA system. TAKE CARE OF ALL OF US VETS AND NOT JUST A SINGLED OUT GROUP. WE ARE ALL ONE! TO THE OLDEST VET TO THE YOUNGEST VET. TAKE CARE OF US ALL...This one really urks me. |
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On the plus side, Veterans Health Care Issues are starting to receive some attention, but as Leah J. Spencer Rosetti appropiately states: "Take Care of Us All"...A premise that should be the bottom line of any new Legislation concerning Veterans. Many new recommendations make sense, such as the VA making Disability Determinations and DoD only determining suitability for further service. Concerning the VA, Hospital Administrators and Managers should be evaluated only on patient care and support and not on how much money they may have saved. The VA must be funded adequately to hire and pay quality Health Care Providers...Not Trainees looking to move on or Deadwood that can't find a job elsewhere. The current Executive Branch proposals smacks of a Divide and Conquer Campaign. If the President truly cared about Veterans Health Care issues, he would have nominated a replacement for Mr. Nicholson long before he retired! |
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I do not have a problem giving combat vets more help, they stuck their necks out and deserve it. But there also needs to be some drastic changes in the current system. One thing I have noticed is that each VA facility is ran differntly, depending on who is in charge. Also, VA regions are also differnt, in one area you get a good deal, in others, you get shafted, depending on who is looking at your claim. This all should be uniform and each vet treated with respect. I do see some changes coming, and I do not see them as all good. When it comes down to it, Iam afraid that us older vets are going to get the shaft on this one. They will have to have some money to pay for the new vets, and I believe it will come from taking away benifits from older vets. as noted in this report, this is all geared for newer vets, We older vets will be left in the lurch.
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That quote is so true. I can understand they want to help but they are not going about it in the right way at all.
I mean I know that are still vets now that can't get there disablity pay because the government lost there medical records. And when they sign stuff over to the congress man to help find them its months if you even here a peep. I think before they start passing bills and seperating us vets they need to focus on the ones who are already home and suffer from things as PTSD, severe body damage, permant facial or body scarring and so on. I mean there alot of vets now who dont get anything for what they did for there country. Me personally I think that is the issue they should be dealing with and stop trying to seperate us. Because as that quote above says " old or young we are all one." |
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Does anyone see this as an attempt to devide older and younger Veterans? A bill of this nature can affect past,present and future Veterans, and the Government, The military and The VA would like nothing better than to have infighting among Veterans.
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This is a bunch of crap, our country should not divide new veterans and older veterans two systems will put undue stress on those trying to adminster it as well as those trying to naviagte it. This bill will cause hard feelings between old and new veterans. I spend at least two days out of every month sitting at the VA hospital and I can arguments and even fights.
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I agree with all of the above. The following quote from the article illustrates why the bozos in Washington just don't get it:
"The VDBC [Veterans Disability Benefits Commission] meanwhile is drawing quiet criticism of its own on Capitol Hill with some key staff members expressing frustration that it endorsed almost every costly idea floated by veterans’ advocates in recent years." Wow! What arrogance. What drivel. They are mad because the commission had the gall to endorse almost everything we've been telling them we need for the last several years. And just what is wrong with that??? The pencil-necked and pin-headed geeks in Washington need to hear from us. |
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It's already happening. 84% of the Vietnam Vets have a life threatening disease which the VA disavows is service connected. Can only assume they are waiting for us to die to use our retirement and Social Security to pay for this new prejudice system. Don't get me wrong any vet deserves some form of compensation, but evenly and justly. |
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This legislation is "crapp". Its a slap in the face for all pre-2001 Vets. Once again Viet Nam Viets are labelled as less important. The same old story. Expendable resources designed to proliferate the wealth of temporary occupants of the White House. Bush and all those who think this is a good idea, desire each other. Any time a patriot toe's the line for his/her county, they should not be deemed less important because it wasn't a popular stance. All service members took the same oath and made the decision to put themselves in harms way in defense of their country. Just because it wasn't popular in the govenmental -controlled media, his/her disability shouldn't be considered less important. Shame on you Dole and the rest of you money grabbing politicians.. You are all idiots............
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New Member ------------------  Proud Member Derelict Veterans Group ------------------  |
They are telling us " Just because you were in Vietnam, Bosnia etc you don't count". Only post 2001 Veterans need apply. We as a single voice of all veterans (i e VFW, American Legion, Amvetsand VVA) must take the leas and fight for all veterans. Don't allow them to screw us again.
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One way I found to beat the VA Health system, I moved 100 miles from the nearest VA. I can now see any doctor I want, and the VA pays for it.
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I knew that this sort of trash was going to become commonplace when they started changing the retirement amounts depending on when we joined.
The retirement changes caused hard feelings between older and newer service members and along with this was a rift in the support of one generation to another. Then they shafted the younger people. Now they want to treat the older ones differently, giving preference to the younger ones. The next wedge in the wall of vets supporting vets was the changes to concurrent reciept. Excluding some from the required loss of money has a tendancy to cause those that didn't get the benefit to resent the ones that did. Now they are playing the vets against vets game again. While I thought the retirement change was wrong, I could reason that at least the change came when a person joined. New members knew what the plan was up front and it wasn't changed to their detriment after joining. Bad reasoning. There should be no difference in the benefits for any vet. If the ones that were hurt in the middle east today deserve an improvement in the benefits that were in effect when they joined/left, then every vet deserves the same. There should be no division between combat and non-combat. Service members damn seldom get the choice to go or not go into a combat zone. Just because a member didn't get hurt in combat doesn't mean that the disability isn't just as detrimental to their life. Every member is required to get the job done. There is no way that a DI that is injured while training recruits or the recruiter that is injured in a auto accident at 2300 on an icy road is any less valuable to the country than the guy hit by an IED in Iraq. Any disability compensation should be decided by the impact that it has on the persons life, not where/how it happened (before the angry retorts happen, as long as it is detirmined it was in the line of duty). I know that there are a lot of people that will say take what you can get now and hope to improve on it later. This was part of the arguement about the changes to concurrent reciept. Has there been any improvement to that? We will end up settling for the scraps and bones the congress and president throw us, but we should resist this destruction of our support for one another with every bit of our will. |
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Also, don't forget that these guys will be reevaluated every 3 years by the VA...
And from my experience that means a reduction... |
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Here Here I am a young vet and the older vets have Helped me out with everything. How to get things done and ways to go about them. As a new young vet from the Iraqi war 2003 I am disgusted with this whole idea. All vets young and old are no different. In point of fact its Discrimination.  WE ARE ALL EQUALS YOUNG, OLD, BLACK, WHITE, MAN, WOMAN. WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS. WELL MAYBE NOT THE POLITICANS!!!  |
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WHEN IS WASHINGTON GOING TO GET THEIR HEAD OUT OF THEIR ASSES. THIS IS NOT AN "I'M MORE EQUAL THAN YOU ARE" SITUATION. SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, AND OTHER VIET NAM VETS, I'M JUST WAITING TO SEE WHAT ELSE THEY CAN FIND THAT IS AGENT ORANGE RELATED THAT IS WRONG WITH ME. 4 OUT OF THE BIG 7 SO FAR. THERE MAYBE DIFFERANT CAUSE AND EFFECT WITH EACH WAR, BUT THE END IS STILL THE SAME. A VETERAN'S LIFE IS TRULY ****ED. I CAN AGREE THE OUR NEW VETERANS NEED HELP, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENCE OF THE OLDER ONES.
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I see You and stewamart among others picked up on the driving the wedge thing... My first reaction was to call in Zippo and light up everything in sight. For once my better judgment prevailed, and I read a few other posts that calmed me down.. A salute to "flea2825 and MGYSGTLee" among others.. UNITED WE STAND |
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