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via email and ChDirAux IoI

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To: ALAUX
From: CHDIRAUX
Subj: Info on the new ODU -010/007

1. "For years Coast Guard members have requested that the ODU be enhanced
by un-tucking the coat. The dilemma was that the current ODU coat was
designed to be tucked in. Another significant concern was the large amount
of current ODU inventory on hand and how to deplete it if a new uniform
(un-tucked version) came on line. Last summer, Admiral Allen and MCPOCG
Bowen began conversations with the Uniform Program to move to an un-tucked
version of the ODU." - ODU Fact Sheet

2. The new ODU is currently on schedule, with availability at the UDC on or about 31 March 2008.

3. For pictures and full information, the Master Chief Petty Officer of the
Coast Guard (MCPOCG) Bowen website contains the information you need.

http://www.uscg.mil/comdt/mcpocg/uniform/untuck_ODU/

4. The purpose of this list is to keep Auxiliarists as well as all other
interested parties abreast of current developments, policies, manuals, etc.
All information contained herein and linked is OFFICIAL policy and
information.

5. Internet Release and Distribution is Authorized.

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So now we will have 3 working uniforms to mix-n-match on boat ops - the old Working Blue, what will be the old ODU and the new ODU.
 
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They should just set a wear out date for the working blues and make it die. I'm finally starting to get used to the tuck-in shirt though...Smile Darn..Smile
 
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Ancora, boat shoes are authorized to be worn with the ODU under prescribed situations. Have you tried working with the unit that issues your orders to prescribe boat shoes as appropriate?


There is non-marking labeled and there are (may be?) boots that are actually non-marking. Ancora has been clear that he's had problems with at least some of the boots scuffing his finish so he won't have them aboard.

My issue with boat shoes and the ODU is that if I tailor my pants to length for boat shoes they are not long enough to blouse easily and reliably. I just wear boots and have yet to be asked to stay off any facilities.
 
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We do not ban anyone from our OPFAC. We request that no boots be worn on our patrols and everyone complies. The Sector commander does not allow Auxies on base without boots when wearing the ODUs so that effectively keeps us from using the station galley while on patrol.
Ergo, we do not do as many patrols as we used to, as it is a hassle providing meals for a crew of five.
 
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Sounded as though there was a bit of a squabble.
Squabble? They're all dead!
Oh! Must have been more of a tiff then.
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Originally posted by Ancora:
The Sector commander does not allow Auxies on base without boots when wearing the ODUs so that effectively keeps us from using the station galley while on patrol.

Can't you carry the boots aboard & change for meals?
Seems like less of a hassle than finding alternate places to eat....at a higher cost.

I guess the question is, are the AD allowed to wear deck style shoes or must they wear boots on all ops?
 
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The ADs must wear the boots but are allowed to take off the ODU shirt and perform duties in tees. The Auxies are NOT allowed to remove the ODU shirts and must swelter on hot days. We must also wear survival pants when the water temp is below 60 degrees. Today the water temp is below 60 degrees and ambient temp is 84 degrees. That means we would have to wear the Gumby pants today and sweat our butts off! No thanks. I sure do miss the good ol' days when the Auxiliary had a say in how we operated.
 
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Originally posted by usefulguy:
We'll I want an ODU material kilt.... talk about a great hot weather uniform. I would want buttons, not failure prone Velcro, to save potential embarrassment.


Ok
1) When will this uniform be authorized for wear not only in hot weather. (As D1 "Never" has hot weather so Hot weather uni's are not allowed.)

2) Where can I aquire 1?

3) What shoes and socks are to be worn with it?

4) Does the entire boat crew all have to be in the Kilt?

5) And for the active duty, what is the proper wear of the side arm while wearing the Kilt?
 
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Originally posted by Ancora:
……………… The Auxies are NOT allowed to remove the ODU shirts and must swelter on hot days. We must also wear survival pants when the water temp is below 60 degrees.

That does not quite jibe with what the Auxiliary Manual has to say:

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Auxiliary Manual, Chapter 10, H.3:
Local prescribing authorities may authorize use of the Coast Guard blue crew neck T-shirt stenciled with the words “USCG AUXILIARY” across the front left chest in white ¾ inch tall block-style letters. When T-shirts are authorized, then all must be stenciled identically to promote unit identity and professional appearance. This uniform is considered an optional work uniform and falls under the same guidelines as the Working Blue or OD uniform for traveling to and from work.

In addition, if the water temps are below 60 degrees, there are no “survival pants”, but rather exposure suits, like the Mustang suit.
 
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Sounded as though there was a bit of a squabble.
Squabble? They're all dead!
Oh! Must have been more of a tiff then.
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In 11-07 Hudson, we ARE allowed to remove the ODU shirt. The T-shirt we wear under it HAS been authorized to be worn alone. Of course, the entire crew must conform.
 
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1) When will this uniform be authorized for wear not only in hot weather. (As D1 "Never" has hot weather so Hot weather uni's are not allowed.)

Obviously you are not familiar with how uni changes occur in the Aux. First, some local group of Auxies will 'adopt' this uni and begin to wear it. Assuming no one jumps ugly on them too soon, other units will begin to adopt it. Then 1 or 2 districts will make it optional for wear in those districts. Then almost by osmosis it will spread to other districts. When the movement gets too big too stop - it will be approved for ALDIST wear - subject of course to "your mileage and district may vary".

2) Where can I aquire 1?

google with "kilt" - you will find the source.

3) What shoes and socks are to be worn with it?

If one has to ask then one is not quite ready for the kilt but to answer the question the shoes are traditionally Ghillie Brogues and hose. I think we need to get a hose flash made up.

4) Does the entire boat crew all have to be in the Kilt?

No - see the AuxKB Wearing identical Uniforms during Ops for general guidance. Once adopted, officially or otherwise as a working uni it would be equal to all other working unis.

5) And for the active duty, what is the proper wear of the side arm while wearing the Kilt?

The only proper sidearm for the kilt is the Sgian Dubh or dirk worn in the top of the right hose.
 
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[The only proper sidearm for the kilt is the Sgian Dubh or dirk worn in the top of the right hose.
FL:
Now wouldn't you think the two-handed claymore would be the more proper traditional sidearm for wear with the kilt? Cool
 
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two-handed claymore would be the more proper traditional sidearm for wear with the kilt?

Wouldn't the two handed claymore be the main battle weapon as opposed to the sidearm? I see the relationship of the claymore to the Sgian Dubh as being the same as the relationship of the M-16 to the Sig Sauer P229. Wink
 
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Wouldn't the two handed claymore be the main battle weapon as opposed to the sidearm? I see the relationship of the claymore to the Sgian Dubh as being the same as the relationship of the M-16 to the Sig Sauer P229. Wink

Touché!
 
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The closest I can find is the Sport Kilt Commando Kilt in Navy Blue (click the View Fabrics to see the swatch).


I emailed these folks and they are adding the USCG Tartan this month. Smile
 
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We have a new ALCOAST on this subject.

ALCOAST 223/07: OPERATIONAL DRESS UNIFORM (ODU ) CARE AND WEAR POLICY

Extracts:

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THE ODU IS A GENERAL PURPOSE EVERYDAY UNIFORM THAT IS INTENDED FOR WEAR IN ANY SITUATION THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A DRESS UNIFORM. IN ADDITION, SINCE THIS UNIFORM MAY BE WORN IN MANY OPERATIONAL SITUATIONS, AND IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN SAFETY AND CONSISTENCY IN APPEARANCE, METAL DEVICES OR ATTACHMENTS WILL NO LONGER BE AUTHORIZED.


There are some cleaning and ironing tips you might want to review.

quote:
THE ODU SHALL BE IRONED WITHOUT MILITARY CREASES.


quote:
THE ODU UNIFORM WILL BE WORN WITH 8 INCH SAFETY BOOTS, WELL-BLACKENED AND WHEN WORN IN AN OFFICE BOOTS SHALL BE POLISHED TO A SHINE. TUCK AWAY EXCESS LACES SO THEY CAN NOT BE SEEN.


The AuxMan gives us permission as Auxies to wear both boat shoes and dress shoes with the ODU.

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AFTER 15 JULY 2007, ALL ACCESSORIES WORN ON THE ODU SHALL BE EMBROIDERED.


This gets interesting. Some Auxies wear the AuxOp and POD on the ODU. Since there is no authorized cloth version of them - off they come. There is also no Aux authorized version of pilot or air crew wings, the Trident device or the Aux cutterman device - so off they come. I don't know if there is cloth version of the Boat Forces pin or not. The only device with a proven authorized cloth equivalent is the Aux coxswain device.

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THE BASIC RIGGERS BELT (NSN: 8415-01-526-5551), ALSO KNOW AS THE BATTLE DRESS UNIFORM (BDU) BELT, CAN BE PURCHASED THRU THE UDC AND MAY BE WORN AS AN OPTIONAL ITEM ON THE ODU . THIS BELT IS A 1

3/4 INCH BLACK NYLON BELT. WHEN WORN, THE BITTER END SHALL EXTEND 2-4 INCHES PAST THE BELT BUCKLE ON THE WEARERS LEFT. (THIS WILL REQUIRE THE BELT BE PASSED THROUGH THE BELT LOOPS FROM THE RIGHT, THE OPPOSITE OF OTHER MENS BELTS). THE BASIC RIGGERS BELT COMES IN

ONE LENGTH AND NEEDS TO BE CUT TO SIZE. TO DETERMINE THE CORRECT BELT LENGTH, LACE THE BELT THROUGH BELT LOOPS, PASS IT BEHIND THE BELT BAR, THEN FEED IT BACK THROUGH AND OVER THE BELT BAR. FINALLY, PULL TO SECURE. NEXT, MARK THE BELT SO THAT NO MORE THAN 4 INCHES EXTEND PAST THE BUCKLE. MAKE A STRAIGHT CUT ALONG THIS MARK. SINGE THE BITTER END TO AVOID UNRAVELING. THE "BLACK HAWK" RIGGERS BELT IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR GENERAL WEAR, BUT MAY BE WORN AS ORGANIZATIONAL EQUIPMENT DURING TACTICAL MISSIONS.


So is an Aux patrol a 'tactical mission'?

quote:
I. THE STANDARD OR UNIT BALL CAP[/b[ SHALL BE WELL-FORMED AND IN GOOD CONDITION WITH NO SOILING, FADING OR TEARS, [b]NOR WILL IT CONTAIN ANY DEVICES OR PINS BEYOND THE COLLAR INSIGNIA OR CG SHIELD AS APPROPRIATE FOR RANK. ALSO, NO ADDITIONAL WRITING ON EITHER THE FRONT OR REAR OF THE CAP IS AUTHORIZED.


So do you think Auxies are really going to remove the pilot, air crew and coxswain mini-devices from the hats or not?
 
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METAL DEVICES OR ATTACHMENTS WILL NO LONGER BE AUTHORIZED.

I assume that doesn't apply to metal Aux office insignia or the Aux shield worn on the collars?
 
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METAL DEVICES OR ATTACHMENTS WILL NO LONGER BE AUTHORIZED.

I assume that doesn't apply to metal Aux office insignia or the Aux shield worn on the collars?

Cool It is posted on the Chief Directors site and it does not say, ' Does Not Apply to USCG Aux' So goodbye metal devices & attachments on the ODU, come July 07.... Cool
 
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The way I read it, all office insignia will be embroidered. Pin on office "rank" will no longer be allowed. They have embroidered versions of all the office insignia so there shouldn't be an issue.
 
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The way I read it, all office insignia will be embroidered. Pin on office "rank" will no longer be allowed. They have embroidered versions of all the office insignia so there shouldn't be an issue.


There is an issue, because we have some high silver down here who get abusive if you are wearing "member" emblems instead of the office insignia to which you are entitled. The dad-blamed shirts are expensive enough that I don't intend to maintain two sets, one for working with the Coast Guard and one for Auxiliary wear. And I most assuredly do not intend to get out a needle and thread to change insignia between gigs.
 
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To: ALAUX
From: CHDIRAUX
Subj: OPERATIONAL DRESS UNIFORM - AUXILIARY POLICY CLARIFICATION -012/07

1. ALCOAST 223/07 issued by the Coast Guard Personnel Management Directorate (CG-12) recently updated guidelines for the wear of the Coast Guard Operational Dress Uniform (ODU).

2. The ALCOAST principally targeted ODU wear by Coast Guard active duty and Reserve personnel. Having reviewed the provisions of the ALCOAST with the Coast Guard Uniform Manager, its guidance applies in terms of general maintenance and wear with the following noteworthy clarifications for
Auxiliarists:

a. The optional boat shoe may still be worn in accordance with section 10.H.4. of the Auxiliary Manual ("Operational Dress Uniform");

b. The basic riggers belt described in the ALCOAST may be worn as an optional item on the ODU;

c. Metal Auxiliary accessories remain authorized for wear past July 15, 2007 if embroidered versions do not exist. As embroidered versions are developed and made available through the Auxiliary Center, they will become mandatory.

3. Section 10.H.4. of the Auxiliary Manual will otherwise be updated in the next manual change to address provisions of ALCOAST 223/07.

4. The purpose of this list is to keep Auxiliarists as well as all other
interested parties abreast of current developments, policies, manuals, etc. All information contained herein and linked is OFFICIAL policy and information.

5. Internet Release and Distribution is Authorized.

6. CG-3PCX, sends
 
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