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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
via email and ChDirAux IoI
So now we will have 3 working uniforms to mix-n-match on boat ops - the old Working Blue, what will be the old ODU and the new ODU. |
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They should just set a wear out date for the working blues and make it die. I'm finally starting to get used to the tuck-in shirt though...
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There is non-marking labeled and there are (may be?) boots that are actually non-marking. Ancora has been clear that he's had problems with at least some of the boots scuffing his finish so he won't have them aboard. My issue with boat shoes and the ODU is that if I tailor my pants to length for boat shoes they are not long enough to blouse easily and reliably. I just wear boots and have yet to be asked to stay off any facilities. |
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We do not ban anyone from our OPFAC. We request that no boots be worn on our patrols and everyone complies. The Sector commander does not allow Auxies on base without boots when wearing the ODUs so that effectively keeps us from using the station galley while on patrol.
Ergo, we do not do as many patrols as we used to, as it is a hassle providing meals for a crew of five. |
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Sounded as though there was a bit of a squabble. Squabble? They're all dead! Oh! Must have been more of a tiff then. ![]() |
Can't you carry the boots aboard & change for meals? Seems like less of a hassle than finding alternate places to eat....at a higher cost. I guess the question is, are the AD allowed to wear deck style shoes or must they wear boots on all ops? |
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The ADs must wear the boots but are allowed to take off the ODU shirt and perform duties in tees. The Auxies are NOT allowed to remove the ODU shirts and must swelter on hot days. We must also wear survival pants when the water temp is below 60 degrees. Today the water temp is below 60 degrees and ambient temp is 84 degrees. That means we would have to wear the Gumby pants today and sweat our butts off! No thanks. I sure do miss the good ol' days when the Auxiliary had a say in how we operated.
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Ok 1) When will this uniform be authorized for wear not only in hot weather. (As D1 "Never" has hot weather so Hot weather uni's are not allowed.) 2) Where can I aquire 1? 3) What shoes and socks are to be worn with it? 4) Does the entire boat crew all have to be in the Kilt? 5) And for the active duty, what is the proper wear of the side arm while wearing the Kilt? |
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That does not quite jibe with what the Auxiliary Manual has to say:
In addition, if the water temps are below 60 degrees, there are no “survival pants”, but rather exposure suits, like the Mustang suit. |
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Sounded as though there was a bit of a squabble. Squabble? They're all dead! Oh! Must have been more of a tiff then. ![]() |
In 11-07 Hudson, we ARE allowed to remove the ODU shirt. The T-shirt we wear under it HAS been authorized to be worn alone. Of course, the entire crew must conform.
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
1) When will this uniform be authorized for wear not only in hot weather. (As D1 "Never" has hot weather so Hot weather uni's are not allowed.)
Obviously you are not familiar with how uni changes occur in the Aux. First, some local group of Auxies will 'adopt' this uni and begin to wear it. Assuming no one jumps ugly on them too soon, other units will begin to adopt it. Then 1 or 2 districts will make it optional for wear in those districts. Then almost by osmosis it will spread to other districts. When the movement gets too big too stop - it will be approved for ALDIST wear - subject of course to "your mileage and district may vary". 2) Where can I aquire 1? google with "kilt" - you will find the source. 3) What shoes and socks are to be worn with it? If one has to ask then one is not quite ready for the kilt but to answer the question the shoes are traditionally Ghillie Brogues and hose. I think we need to get a hose flash made up. 4) Does the entire boat crew all have to be in the Kilt? No - see the AuxKB Wearing identical Uniforms during Ops for general guidance. Once adopted, officially or otherwise as a working uni it would be equal to all other working unis. 5) And for the active duty, what is the proper wear of the side arm while wearing the Kilt? The only proper sidearm for the kilt is the Sgian Dubh or dirk worn in the top of the right hose. |
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FL: Now wouldn't you think the two-handed claymore would be the more proper traditional sidearm for wear with the kilt? |
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
two-handed claymore would be the more proper traditional sidearm for wear with the kilt?
Wouldn't the two handed claymore be the main battle weapon as opposed to the sidearm? I see the relationship of the claymore to the Sgian Dubh as being the same as the relationship of the M-16 to the Sig Sauer P229. |
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Touché! |
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Basic Training |
I emailed these folks and they are adding the USCG Tartan this month. |
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
We have a new ALCOAST on this subject.
ALCOAST 223/07: OPERATIONAL DRESS UNIFORM (ODU ) CARE AND WEAR POLICY Extracts:
There are some cleaning and ironing tips you might want to review.
The AuxMan gives us permission as Auxies to wear both boat shoes and dress shoes with the ODU.
This gets interesting. Some Auxies wear the AuxOp and POD on the ODU. Since there is no authorized cloth version of them - off they come. There is also no Aux authorized version of pilot or air crew wings, the Trident device or the Aux cutterman device - so off they come. I don't know if there is cloth version of the Boat Forces pin or not. The only device with a proven authorized cloth equivalent is the Aux coxswain device.
So is an Aux patrol a 'tactical mission'?
So do you think Auxies are really going to remove the pilot, air crew and coxswain mini-devices from the hats or not? |
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I assume that doesn't apply to metal Aux office insignia or the Aux shield worn on the collars? |
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The way I read it, all office insignia will be embroidered. Pin on office "rank" will no longer be allowed. They have embroidered versions of all the office insignia so there shouldn't be an issue.
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There is an issue, because we have some high silver down here who get abusive if you are wearing "member" emblems instead of the office insignia to which you are entitled. The dad-blamed shirts are expensive enough that I don't intend to maintain two sets, one for working with the Coast Guard and one for Auxiliary wear. And I most assuredly do not intend to get out a needle and thread to change insignia between gigs. |
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