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It seems everywhere I look the numbers for active members is different. In Auxdata its
29,974. lots of other quotes are lower some as low as 22,000. Anyone have anyone have any insight? Thanks Bruce Cohen |
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
In Auxdata its 29,974.
That figure is the AuxData figure for the number of bogus 'active' members. The number is bogus since it includes 1,001 Applicants (AP). At one time the 'active' number also included the honorary members but the honorary members were recently moved to the "Other" category. The APs should be placed there also since APs are not members. The easiest way to get to the real number of active members is to take the count of active members from AuxInfo and subtract out the applicants or AP members. That would leave you with 28,973 active members. The 22,000 or 23,000 number is what the active membership had fallen to after the last Great Disenrollment from the "P thing that shall not be mentioned'. |
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The AP status is essentially a member who is awaiting their PSI determination. AP's are allowed to attend meetings, qualify in programs, wear uniforms, and participate in all activities except for actual flights for aviation. To say that they should not be considered in the membership count isn't correct when the new definition of what an AP is.
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
To say that they should not be considered in the membership count
If nothing else it is a legal defintion, until they pass the "P thing that cannot be mentioned' they are not members - plain and simple. And no 'new defition' changes the legal one. APs aren't members and should not be included in the count. However, we could be splitting hairs since they only account for about 3.3% of the bogus Nat 'Active' membership number. |
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It depends upon what your definition of "active" is...
There are many "dues paying" members who have not been truly "active" in many years... I'd be willing to bet the old 80/20 rule applies - 20% of the membership performs 80% of the work - wheras the converse is true where 20% of the membership are responsible for 80% (or more) of the griping, whining, and complaining...  |
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AP's are considered Provisional Members now...
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
AP's are considered Provisional Members now...
Do you have an official source for that and if so what does that mean? The last official document I can find is from ChDirAux and is dated 06 Aug 07. I don't see 'provisional member' in there. And if APs are really members then how come the following restrictions apply:
An AP can't run for office, hold a staff office and the real key to their status - their checks aren't cashed.If your check isn't cashed then you haven't paid your dues as a member and you aren't a member. More stuff APs cannot do but Real Members can.
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A bad day on the water beats a good day at the office. |
Regarding the CAC, have ANY Auxiliarists been issued one?
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Hal,
That's great that they can't do some things like run/be given an office or have an ID card, but the amount of stuff that they can do is a great improvement over the past. Maybe you should realize the impact of the message on getting new members more involved in the RBS activities and PE. I'm not gonna copy/paste the 5 pages of fairly good stuff as it relates to AP status, but i will go with Para 1 (c) of your source document states: Auxiliarists in AP status shall be regarded as any other Auxiliarists in IQ, BQ, or AUXOP status in terms of counting on Auxiliary membership rosters at any organizational level. This includes counting toward Flotilla membership requirements and for the purpose of meeting minimum membership thresholds to establish a new Flotilla or Flotilla Detachment. |
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At first they thought we needed them to access our USCG email accounts, but they came up with a way for us to not need them. Some people might though... |
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US Mail. --M |
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But an AP member can vote on flotilla matters, and is authorized to wear an Auxiliary uniform. Strange that a "non-member" can show up at meetings in a uniform and vote. Also, they can hold a staff position, but only if granted a waiver. |
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US Mail. Hehe.... I meant the cards... I still have a USCG email account.  |
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hehe  The reason we "need" the cards was a little more than for email. The why, when, etc. just not the how part. --M |
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
the real key to their status - their checks aren't cashed.If your check isn't cashed then you haven't paid your dues as a member and you aren't a member.
For further evidence of that is the way the Aux got rid of the those who refused to do the P-thing but sent in their checks anyway. Instead of disenrolling them for failure to do the P-thing, the check was returned and they were disenrolled for non-payment of dues. If you're dues are not paid, you aren't a member. No fancy unofficial 'provisional' provisions changes that one simple fact. BTW - why do you think the status is AP - Application Pending. What is 'pending'? The membership decision based on the outcome of the P-thing and then the cashing of the check. Pass the P-thing, deposit the check and PRESTO you are a member - until then you are just a applicant for membership. This message has been edited. Last edited by: FL51D7, |
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