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Originally posted by eirikr1:

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Originally posted by Dog_show:
NJ Auxie....This maybe why they do not issue firearms to the Aux.

How do you get that from NJAuxie's post? I didn't see any linkage between boat licensing and firearms??

lol, don't you know? After every post by anyone, you are supposed to chant "and firearms for AUXIES." (just kidding...)

e.g. The weather is nice today. "and firearms for AUXIES". or, Your wife is a good cook. "and firearms for AUXIES".

lol.

--M

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Originally posted by Dog_show:
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and who cares, whats the big deal. Go get the friggin license.

Dear Dog_Mouth:
You must not have read the FL’s post and the Admiral’s quote before you put your foot in your mouth – there is not yet any “friggin license” to get! This is still just a proposal that has been put forth for debate. Besides, since I hold a higher level commercial mariners license, it wouldn’t affect me anyway.

I am concerned that if we are going to make national changes, then let’s do it in a thoughtful way that brings real safety to the waterway, and not do a knee jerk fix that doesn’t really address a problem.

Mandatory boater education makes a lot of sense in bringing safety to our waterways. Wherever it has been implemented, fatalities have decreased. However, but what do you think the additional benefits could possibly be to extending that to include a “license” (besides of course what it would do to extend the state bureaucracies and annual tax revenues).

It's not really feasible if you think about it.If you're from New Yawk,and go to Florida for a week,and rent a 20' boat.Do you need a 25 ton license?No...ID...maybe,I suppose at least a safety course cert.All sound signals??Lights,You can have a 20 footer and go out in the shipping lanes with it and not know your sound signals.Do you need to know lights for under 12 meters,over 12M but under 20M etc.Will there be CFR part 33 questions.Some boats don't have radio's.If they did, do they know how to use it?

"Where are you AT Sir?...where you AT?" "ah...ah...well...ah" Do you have to learn GPS?.

My point is...How much is going to be required?
BOATING can be quite IN DEPTH!

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It's not really feasible if you think about it.

It is feasible. There are licenses for cars, trucks, motorcycles, airplanes . . . .

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How much is going to be required?

Setting knowledge and practical standards would be difficult; where to draw the line? And once they set some standards, you know half the boaters will say its not enough, and the other half will say its too much. But I think something is better than nothing.

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There are licenses for cars, trucks, motorcycles, airplanes . . . .

Try getting your scuba tanks filled without your certification card.

The opposition is all based on "Tradition" -- not a bad reason, per se, for maintaining the status quo.

As far as I know, there is also no license required to ride a horse. And licensing for the possession and use of firearms is the subject of much debate.

It's interesting to see the Federal Government's Coast Guard, which gave much of the regulation of the recreational boating sector to the States several years ago, now seemingly wants to take some of it back.

...gjd

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Originally posted by TybeeBM1:

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There are licenses for cars, trucks, motorcycles, airplanes . . . .

Try getting your scuba tanks filled without your certification card.

Try getting O2 tanks filled without a note from God.

--M

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Try getting O2 tanks filled without a note from God.

I haven't communicated with God lately, and don't know if he/she approves, BUT the truck comes to my house every other Wednesday with a dozen or more O2 tanks.

I owned and drove my first boat when I was about 10 - and back then NY didn't dare require any boating courses (much less any tests) for anyone on Long Island regardless of age.

All this regulation of individuals, but not big companies, must be a recent phenomena.

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As far as I know, there is also no license required to ride a horse.

Point taken.

But you know that if horses were a major mode of transport, then there would be countless examples of dufus equestrians: reckless riding, speeding, RUIs etc . . . and the public would be discussing training and licensing.

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Originally posted by CaptainBosco:

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As far as I know, there is also no license required to ride a horse.

Point taken.

But you know that if horses were a major mode of transport, then there would be countless examples of dufus equestrians: reckless riding, speeding, RUIs etc . . . and the public would be discussing training and licensing.

just depends where you are... NYC

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just depends where you are... NYC

Not to get picky but:

It looks like that NYC license just applies to Horse Drawn Cab Drivers, much like those needed for other commercial vehicles, and just like the CG requires a license for certain commercial vessels.

Riding a horse for recreational purposes, like operating a boat for recreational purposes, does not require a license. Therefore, I stand by my original statement.

...gjd

Note: I would have responded sooner had not the military.com "discussion" server apparently being down for several hours.

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Not to get picky but:

I knew I could count on you! I could probably find a more relavent example but I am not THAT motivated to do it.

--M

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I am not THAT motivated to do it.

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The best motivating is self-motivating.The guy says,"I wish someone would come by and turn me on." What if they don't show up? You've got to have a better plan for your life.
--- Jim Rohn

...gjd

ouch.

The saga continues:

New Terror Threat? Small Boats

Extracts:

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The nation's 17 million small boats are facing increased scrutiny from the Homeland Security Department, which fears they could be used in a nuclear attack or a lethal explosion at a U.S. port.

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Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said this month that he had ordered agency leaders to "raise the protection level with respect to small boats." Attacks this decade by terrorists ramming bomb-filled speedboats into a U.S. battleship and a French tanker are worrisome, Chertoff said.

First mistake. The USS Cole (DDG 67) is a guided missle destroyer - pretty much on the opposite end of the size spectrum from a battleship.

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The Coast Guard is seeking a new federal requirement that all boat operators carry identification wherever they are on the water so it can build a database of boaters found in restricted areas. The agency also wants to require state boating courses to teach security protocols such as avoiding cruise-ship terminals and military facilities.

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Next month, the Coast Guard will give Chertoff a plan to better oversee recreational boats and small ferries and fishing boats with "additional surveillance, monitoring and information systems," said Dana Goward, director of the Coast Guard's Maritime Domain Awareness program.

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Boat operators, represented by the Boat Owners Association, support the effort as long as they don't have to get separate ID cards or install costly tracking devices

The editorial in the current issue of BoatUS Magazine addresses this issue. The editorial begins as follows:

"November 2007

Those attending the annual meeting of the National Association of State Boating Law Administrators in September report hearing Rear Admiral David Pekoske say in a speech that the Coast Guard was no longer advocating operator licensing. Pekoske is the Coast Guard¹s Assistant Commandant for Operations."

From the article above:

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Although new mandates would apply to operators of state-registered boats — usually those with an engine — the Homeland Security Department is focused on protecting major ports near large cities.

It might be a good idea to closely monitor the sales of these:

...gjd

It's about time they picked on the small boats for a while -- it'll take some of the ridiculous attention off of the small GA aircraft...

We've got to deal with frequent restrictive TFRs -- even though a fully laden twin engine aircraft barely makes a scuff against a residential dwelling as seen here:




Ooooooh -- such an effective weapon...

From the website of the Royal Military Academy of Sandhurst

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The story of Operation Frankton . . . . one of the most daring and innovative special forces raids of the Second World War . . . was a CANOE RAID raid on German merchant shipping in Bordeaux harbour in December 1942.

The British commandos paddled 70 miles up the Gironde River, and sank 4 cargo ships at the busy docks of Bordeaux Harbor. They also damaged a German minesweeper.

The event was reenacted by Officer Cadets from the Royal Military Academy, in April of this year. Return to Op Frankton

Ah yes, immortalized in the 1955 WWII flick -- The Cockleshell Heros...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049083/