See the Sophisticated Finance blog entry Business Lessons From a Patrol.

I wonder if SkyRay knows anything about this or the parties involved.

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Originally posted by FL51D7:
See the Sophisticated Finance blog entry Business Lessons From a Patrol.

I wonder if SkyRay knows anything about this or the parties involved.

Your answers are NO and YES.

All I know of the incident is what I know of the AOR and what Bob put in the article. Black Ledge in marked at the east end by a red daybeacon "2" and this daybeacon is about a mile southwest of Marker Charley. Both markers are very similar and sit out in the middle of the bay all alone. My coxswain trainer stressed that they were easily confused, and that confusing them could be catastrophic because Marker Charley is in ten to fifteen feet of water, and Black Ledge has about two feet. Maybe we need to hit this harder in Member Training.

As for the people, I know them all. Bob's wife is our FSO-Op and I get about six emails a week from her. There were so many coxswains aboard because in a spasm of over professionalism the Coast Guard decided that the boat crews that had been doing helo operations for years needed a PQS sign off and training in helo ops. Too many coxswains spoil the stew. The most dangerous thing in the world, even more dangerous than a monkey with a machine gun, is two airline pilots in a Cessna.

I liked that blog entry - it drew some very good analogies between that patrol and running a business.

There was only one coxswain on board, the rest were crew. If there were any question about who the coxswain was, the lines should not have been taken in.

There is only one Captain on a ship.

There is only one pilot on an aircraft. The other is the co-pilot.

There is only one pilot on an aircraft. The other is the co-pilot.

I thought the expession was:

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There is only one pilot on an aircraft. Everyone else is a passenger.

The whole point of my analogy is that CRM was not being observed, and the designated coxswain was relying on the capability of a mere crewmember because in another existance that crewmember just happened to be a certified coxswain. I would ask Robin which of the two airline pilots is the co-pilot?

Since the pilot is the one in charge, the co-pilot is the other one.

On commercial aircraft, the pilot has four stripes, the co-pilot has three.

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Since the pilot is the one in charge, the co-pilot is the other one.

On commercial aircraft, the pilot has four stripes, the co-pilot has three.

And my point was that with two four stripers in the Cessna, No One is in charge.

Ask an attorney, in the eyes of the law there is always someone in charge.

That's why they have Change of Command ceremonies on cutters in the service.

I'll bet the four stripers in the aircraft knew, it's part of being a professional.

They either used ownership or seniority.

The nature of the position and its responsibility requires that someone be in command or in charge.