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Why do you think the title "captain" is misleading? And you think it distorts leadership? In what way?


Good question.

First and foremost, captains of Auxiliary divisions are not "Captains" at all. That is to say it is clearly defined in the Auxiliary manual that a division captain is not to be addressed or referred to in correspondence as "Captain Smith". The correct designation is "Mr. Smith, division xx captain."

And the spelling of captain is to be always to be uncapitalized. That's also on purpose, to prevent confusion with a "real Captain as in the military."

But the most important reason is to prevent a misuse through misunderstanding of the a perception of authority that the honorific "captain" combined with three silver stripes that ARE NOT an indication of rank or authority, can cause.

The division captain has no authority over the members of a division. The position is voluntary and division captains serve at the pleasure of the division members. Members can, at any time, disregard the personal wishes of a division captain without sanction.

Authority in the sense that he/she can compel a member to do anything. Nor can a division captain impose sanctions, or punishment, or impose their own local rules or policies, unless you consider being relieved of a division SO position a punishment. Division captains who forget these limitations are operating outside of Auxiliary policy.

The good leaders understand and thrive under these guidelines. The bad ones corrupt their office and their honor by operating in that "I'll get even with you" mode. If a division captain ever tries to insist you call him/her captain, run away! <BG> They're wrong and have a distorted view of their position.

The division captain's primary job is to motivate, support and encourage his/her members through the his/her staff officers, the flotilla commanders (also uncapitalized and also not "Commanders" in any sense of the authoratative concept) and interaction with the member.

Interestingly, I have found that flotilla commanders seem to understand their position and work in that environment better than division captains. So in some cases something happens to that perception when FC's get elected to division captain.


Joe - Going by your rationale, we have no misperceptions of authority with Commodores, since we refer to them as "COMO Jones"? And they CAN compel any of us to do anything we don't want to do? It doesn't matter what level of elected leadership you're at, good leaders LEAD and others don't, and the number of stars or stripes on their uniform doesn't have a darn thing to do with their success.

As for your observation that FC's don't seem to have that problem, I suspect it's because most FC's never wanted the job in the first place, wheras every person at a higher level actively seeks the position. You'll notice I said "position" - they don't necessarily want the work associated with it!
 
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ENGEL,

We do have a system of sorts -- but I can not take complete ownership. I am simply the lucky guy who gets to walk up to accept an award for the Flotilla.

The true success lies with the FSOs who work together to create an environment of opportunity, training, and service for the remaining members of the Flotilla.

An effective mentorship program is essential. When "older" (not necessarily due to age) Auxies take an interest in sharing their knowledge and experience with the "Newbies" -- guiding them through the process, the health of any Flotilla will flourish.

Many of us did not have that when we joined the Auxiliary. Guidance to me as a "newbie" was limited to what uniforms to buy and an old copy of the AUXMAN to read. I had to blaze my own trail to participate in my chosen progams. I vowed to help others after me to avoid some of the road blocks and pitfalls that frequently hinder an individual's enjoyment in the organization.

I wish everyone could enjoy their experience in the organization as much as I am in mine (though this FC gig may change my opinion...).
 
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Actually there is one: spend that same forty-five minutes fighting about budget items and expenditures.

I have an even better one. Spend the same 45 minutes arguing over the rules & regs (per the AuxMan and/or OpsPolMan - which the elected leadership never read) and/or the Flotilla Standing Rules (which the elected leadership never read) or Robert's Rules of Order (which the elected leadership never read either).


Or spend 45 minutes B!tcIIing and moaning about elected leadership not reading/knowing the standing rules, Robert's this or that, AUXMAN, Ops manual, or blah, blah...
 
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Or spend 45 minutes B!tcIIing and moaning about elected leadership not reading/knowing the standing rules, Robert's this or that, AUXMAN, Ops manual, or blah, blah...


Erik's right about that. That stuff will put most members to sleep, kill any newbie enthusiasm and if you have prospective members visting, you'll never see them again.

All of that stuff should be taken off-line at a Flotilla meeting and the chairperson we call an FC should be trained in how to divert away from that ad-nauseum stuff. Table it to the next meeting and then work out the details and compromises off-line between meetings so that any real procedural business can be dealt with crisply and quickly at the next meeting.
 
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I have an even better one. Spend the same 45 minutes arguing over the rules & regs (per the AuxMan and/or OpsPolMan - which the elected leadership never read) and/or the Flotilla Standing Rules (which the elected leadership never read) or Robert's Rules of Order (which the elected leadership never read either).



When I served as FC and DCP, I had a copy of Rogerts on the table or podium at every meeting just ready to really 'throw the book' at anyone who questioned the procedures. It stopped on old PRCO from saying, "We always did it this way" Big Grin
 
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Nothing is a bigger pain in the path of progress than a "sea lawyer" who constantly bickers about "rules of order" just to be a butt. Robert's Rules are a guideline but the membership may vote to "suspend" or "invoke" same during a discussion. This can speed things along, especially when some prique is bloviating and slowing down the meeting with goofy blather.
Threatening to throw the gavel works as well. Big Grin
 
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Robert's Rules are a guideline


I have to agree. Not every meeting can run accordingly to a single book. Sometimes a lengthly conversation is required on a subject where other items may need to be "tabled" for another time so that priority subject can be resolved. It all depends on the mood.

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Threatening to throw the gavel works as well.


I have never heard a threat before I got hit in the head. Am I missing something here? Smile
 
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Should'a said "brandishing". Big Grin
 
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