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From NOTF:
Border Patrol Auxiliary announces first 'marine watch' The U.S. Border Patrol Auxiliary has announced the formation of the first Border Patrol Auxiliary Marine Watch in San Diego, Calif., which will hit the water on Saturday. They will be meeting at Marina Cortez on Harbor Island at 9:00 a.m., and running marine operations up and down the coast this weekend. Those wishing to participate may go directly from Camp Vigilance on Saturday morning in a car pool, or meet at the marina for the day. If you would like to participate in the Marine Watch this weekend, please send an e-mail to Carl.Braun@BPAUX.org . |
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
It looks like these guys are not an official Auxiliary of the US Border Patrol.
See Border Patrol Auxiliary Launches National Membership Drive
It looks like they plan on expanding the Marine Division:
Then there is their "lite" aviation wing and what looks like a land-mobile or 'boot' force:
At the end they repeat their non-governmental affiliation statement.
Not only is it possible competition for the Aux, but some of my SDF friends may also see them as competition as well. From the looks of this PR, they may be competition for CAP as well: Border Patrol Auxiliary Assists In Search Efforts And they have already had their first political tiff with another group: Rift opens between border watch groups |
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Just what the country needs: More Wannabees!
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Just another wannabe Minuteman group. People who would go for that probably don't need to be in the CG Aux in the first place.
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You know, this just has a very suspicious smell to it. If you were to look at all the different levels that a "Member" can achieve, it looks like their goal not wannabism but more vigilantyism. This seems scary to me. I agree with River...
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I love the statement that the lite air wing "owns the sky"...
 Can't wait until they fly over the first "weed" patch where the owner employs 12 ga. anti-aircraft assets...  The aluminum tubing and fabric will go down in flames. |
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Personally, I think they run a risk of some adverse law enforcement actions based on their use of the name. Unfortunately, the feds and their state counterparts haven't been all that vigilant against groups making illegal use of the names of actual government organizations. This has primarily been seen in groups claiming to be state defense forces and using their names when they are not actually sanctioned by the state government.
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
Unfortunately, the feds and their state counterparts haven't been all that vigilant against groups making illegal use of the names of actual government organizations.
Actually they are usually quite vigilant. What is in error is the oft repeated statements that these groups are either using names without legal sanction or wearing illegal uniforms. The law is very specific. Unless you can find a statute that states the use of "Border Patrol" is illegal for a private group then it is allowed. If the law only states that "US Border Patrol" or "United States Border Patrol" is not allowed then the name "Border Patrol" is legal to use. So where is your cite that the name of the group is illegal? For example, here is the section of the USC that prevents any group from trying to use the name of the Coast Guard or its historic parent services:
14 USC 639 |
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Impersonating a police officer would be the specific concern here.
Another example is the so-called District of Columbia Defense Force. They are supposedly the DC Defense Force Association, but the name tapes on their uniforms say DC Defense Force, which would be an official agency of that government were it to exist. |
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Check out the BPaux page on "organization and leadership" (listed under main menu.) They have a national map, which shows the BPAUX districts. Look familiar?
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
The organizational structure, which is above the very familiar map, should also ring a few bells: sectors, with districts above them and then national.
It looks like there is no flotilla or division equivalent since "The Sector is the basic organizational unit of the BP Auxiliary and is comprised of at least 25 qualified members who carry out Auxiliary program activities. Every Auxiliarist is a member of a local sector. A Sector Chief (SC) heads each Sector." Have you found any names of the officers on that site? I did spot something on several pages that might have some Auxies and even SDFers salivating. Training page
From the FAQ
Current Openings Page
On the Application page
Membership Benefits
Gun Owners of America (GOA) has been called "The only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington." It makes the NRA look tame by comparison. Looking over the qualifications, I could be a Special Agent Auxie right from the get-go. |
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I like their Marine Division photo where the PFD's they should be wearing are conveniently draped over that backs of the seats. Some of the other photos are obviously Photshop'd
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Would be good practice for early goose season. |
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I thought the blue light bar on the boat's hardtop was a nice touch too... |
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Basic Training |
I found their image library, a couple attempts at Photoshop were made before the final product, at the front of the helm it appears to say POLICE.
Also a photo of their headquarters--doesn't quite look the same as what's on their website. Not sure if it would be a violation of TOS to publish the link or photos |
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I think we need to change this thread name to "They think they are competition"
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Hey! everybody has to start somewhere. At least they are getting out on the water without being hyper-professional and regulation bound from the git-go. |
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And who needs to worry about any pesky laws either. They just get in the way.
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
Here is the web page of the parent organization, the Homeland Security Policy Institute Group Inc. Their Board Member List shows several ex-/retired members of the USCG, including one of the two Founder-Directors, Lt Thomas Barnes.
I checked the CA corporations records, the HSPIG was formed in 2003. This gets interesting. The HSDEC Homeland Security and Defense Education Consortium
Now looks and see who is listed on the Links page - the HSPIG - parent of the Border Patrol Auxiliary. And who needs to worry about any pesky laws either. They just get in the way. And what laws are you referring to? It is easy to imply some laws are being broken - it is a lot harder to prove it. |
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One of the things that got my attention is that they mention Texas and Florida as areas in need of attention. I ain't joining no organization in San Diego, but if they come to Miami all bets are off.
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