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Originally posted by 11647622:
Ken,

I'm not trying to create a major discussion or issue as seems to be happing in regard to your organization but I would kindly request that you create your own District Geographic Image instead of copying the Auxiliary's directly. Below is from the National Website. I hope you see this as a reasonable request from a member of the Auxiliary.

Thank you -

This website's design, text, graphics and all other content and the selection and arrangement thereof are the creation, and copyright of United States Coast Guard Auxiliary (hereinafter referred to as the "Auxiliary").

For the avoidance of doubt, any other use of any of the materials on this website including reproduction (for any purposes other than those authorized herein), modification, distribution or re-publication without the prior written permission of the Auxiliary Department Chief of Information Technology (DC-I) is strictly prohibited.

Consider it done, Image removed, and we will create our own. Thank you for point that out.

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Originally posted by RiverAux:

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TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 43 > § 912. Officer or employee of the United States

Whoever falsely assumes or pretends to be an officer or employee acting under the authority of the United States or any department, agency or officer thereof, and acts as such, or in such pretended character demands or obtains any money, paper, document, or thing of value, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

I believe that using the name Border Patrol Auxiliary violates the spirit and probably the letter of the law. Whether or not anyone goes after them for it, is another matter and as I said earlier, I doubt any Republican administration is going to.

There are also statutes in most states relating to impersonating a police officer and I also believe that they could run the risk of violating those depending on the specifics of the situation and the state law.

This was looked into also, we are clear on it, but thanks for checking it out.

Thank you...

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Originally posted by kdreger:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 11647622:

Consider it done, Image removed, and we will create our own. Thank you for point that out.

Ditismity-

Since you think you are such a great Christian, I would then expect that you would own up to the lies and falshoods that you are posting here about me personally.

"Sorry FW...I only live by, read and study the Holy Bible as do 86% of Americans.

Christianity 86.2%
Nonreligious 7.5%
Judaism 1.8%
Agnostic 0.7%
Islam 0.5%
Unitarian Universalist 0.3%
Buddhism 0.4%
Hinduism 0.2%
Native American Religion 0.03%
Scientologist 0.03%

Gee...I take it from your comment that you are probably an agnostic or atheist and believe that the Holy Bible is a book of fairy tales. Oh well....to each his own."

As well as many other posts where you claim to be such a man of God.

Well, here is the opertunity, step up and face the music and with draw all of these comments AND make a public apology here online about your mistake and lies or face the possable legal results of your postings.
Your choice

Consider it done, Image removed, and we will create our own. Thank you for point that out.

That was nice of you but it was completely unnecessary. The Aux web site is the private property of a private non-profit corporation (much like the BP Aux) the Coast Guard Auxiliary Association Inc. If it creates something and puts it on that web site then it owns it as private property. However, it cannot take something from the public domain and/or a public document put it on that site and then claim ownership of it.

A graphic from a public document belongs to all of us and is freely useable by all of us. So where did the Aux lift the graphic that now it is trying to claim it created?

Take a look at the USCG Auxiliary Manual M16790.1F page H-7 pdf page 533. The Auxiliary manual is a Commandant Instruction (COMDT) and anything in it is freely useable by anyone.

Or you can go to the CG Units web page and take that image. Your taxes and those of your members helped pay for that so feel free to use it.

RiverAux,

The law you are citing:

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and acts as such, or in such pretended character demands or obtains any money, paper, document, or thing of value, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

requires an overt act before impersonation occurs. Since you cannot prove any such overt act has occured then you have no basis for claiming the BP Aux is violating the law. Whether violating the spirit of the law is happening or not is immaterial since (a) reasonable people can disagree on whether it is happening or not and (b) you cannot be convicted of violating the spirit of the law - only a real breach of the law is prosecutable.

Beside, why are you trying to hold the BP Aux to a higher standard then the USCG Aux. We both know that such overt acts as claiming to be CG officers happens on a regular basis in the USCG Aux and unless the CG gets embarassed then nothing is done about it. Actually something is sometimes done about it - the perps if well-connected get to run for or get appointed to even higher office. The NACO Swordsman being just the most recent and public example of this.

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I believe that using the name "Border Patrol Auxiliary" is an overt act that would violate this law. Whether a federal prosecutor agrees with me is another story. Heck, even if they did, I'm sure that the BPA would disagree with them and fight the case. So, the fact that whether or not a violation of the law has occurred can be disputed, doesn't mean that the violation hasn't ocurred. Just about everyone charged with a crime says that what they did didn't violate the law.

You're right that you can't be prosecuted for violating the spirt of the law and I didn't suggest that they should be for that. However, it is something that anyone considering joining the organization should consider. Do they want to associate themselves with an organization that has chosen a name and uses terms commonly associated with a federal law enforcement agency that very clearly could lead a normal person to believe that they are part of that agency, when in fact they are not?

Who said I'm holding them to a higher standard than I would an Auxie that violates federal law? I'll critisize them just as much. Heck, you've seen me critisize Auxies for breaking our regulations, which have no force of law behind them.

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BTW - railroad police and even some insurance agents are also known as Agents and Special Agents. There is nothing in the law reserving the title to federal agencies or even LEOs.

Very true. But when I call State Farm Insurance and they tell me that the agent will return my call, it is fairly obvious that it will be an insurance agent.

However, using the terms Agent and Special Agent in conjunction with the "Border Patrol" part of "Border Patrol Auxiliary" could lead a reasonable person to believe that they are speaking with a law enforcement officer of some kind.

Ditismity-

Since you think you are such a great Christian, I would then expect that you would own up to the lies and falshoods that you are posting here about me personally.

"Sorry FW...I only live by, read and study the Holy Bible as do 86% of Americans.

Christianity 86.2%
Nonreligious 7.5%
Judaism 1.8%
Agnostic 0.7%
Islam 0.5%
Unitarian Universalist 0.3%
Buddhism 0.4%
Hinduism 0.2%
Native American Religion 0.03%
Scientologist 0.03%

Gee...I take it from your comment that you are probably an agnostic or atheist and believe that the Holy Bible is a book of fairy tales. Oh well....to each his own."

As well as many other posts where you claim to be such a man of God.

Well, here is the opertunity, step up and face the music and with draw all of these comments AND make a public apology here online about your mistake and lies or face the possable legal results of your postings.
Your choice

Ditismity-

Since you think you are such a great Christian, I would then expect that you would own up to the lies and falshoods that you are posting here about me personally.

"Sorry FW...I only live by, read and study the Holy Bible as do 86% of Americans.

Christianity 86.2%
Nonreligious 7.5%
Judaism 1.8%
Agnostic 0.7%
Islam 0.5%
Unitarian Universalist 0.3%
Buddhism 0.4%
Hinduism 0.2%
Native American Religion 0.03%
Scientologist 0.03%

Gee...I take it from your comment that you are probably an agnostic or atheist and believe that the Holy Bible is a book of fairy tales. Oh well....to each his own."

As well as many other posts where you claim to be such a man of God.

Well, here is the opertunity, step up and face the music and with draw all of these comments AND make a public apology here online about your mistake and lies or face the possable legal results of your postings.
Your choice

It is on, and you just don't know it yet.....

Ken,

I gave fair warning.. The VULTURES have already plucked out your eyes by getting you to remove the Aux Map which is public domain. Now they are going for your groin, same as real VULTURES. Got you to change your boat. I am telling you these guys are real pros when it comes to shooting down good ideas. Thank GOD they were not around in 1776 or 1941.

Some are very good, a lot of them are very negative toward things which I find a little disarming. Maybe they think this is some type of turf issue! That of course would also be a lack of understanding. Most of all I find it hard to think that these folks would really like to stop us from doing something that they themselves should be or are trying to do! Protect America!

Some folks also try to make it personal! That goes over the line, if you have issues with something discuss it, don't take pot shots and make FALSE Libel Claims against someone.

I don’t have a problem with someone who has a legitimate gripe, and as you can see I have taken measures to accommodate those folks.

But again, when you fire a personal round at me, I take that as anyone would, serious and I do not tolerate that type of bad behavior from anyone!

The process is already started to take the required action on this matter, and I am very willing to work his issues out, but I want him to have the Guts to stand up and make it known that he made false statements here!

Thank you for again the advice.
Ken

Someone removed the posts from ditty.

Wow, actually it looks like the problem has been resolved already, thanks to our forum Mod.

Good work.

See, things really do work when you take the high road!

Ken

Ditty- you don't need to go here again.

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Originally posted by BPAUX:
Let's clear up the mystery on the BPAUX. They are two guys from the Minuteman Project who started a website and stole some pictures off the internet. They're both dumbshits living in a fantasy world. Thank you so much for reading and have a nice day!!!!

Again Ditty you are not correct in your information.

You can call yourself anything to try and Hide your ID, but we all know by the tone in your postings who you are, so just come clean and it MAY go away.

Ken Dreger

Never belonged to Minuteman Project! Again another Lie!

OK Ditty- We will do it again!


And yes I am having a very nice day.

Shot #2 - Mine Also
Ken

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Consider it done, Image removed, and we will create our own. Thank you for point that out.

That was nice of you but it was completely unnecessary. The Aux web site is the private property of a private non-profit corporation (much like the BP Aux) the Coast Guard Auxiliary Association Inc. If it creates something and puts it on that web site then it owns it as private property. However, it cannot take something from the public domain and/or a public document put it on that site and then claim ownership of it.

A graphic from a public document belongs to all of us and is freely useable by all of us. So where did the Aux lift the graphic that now it is trying to claim it created?

Take a look at the USCG Auxiliary Manual M16790.1F page H-7 pdf page 533. The Auxiliary manual is a Commandant Instruction (COMDT) and anything in it is freely useable by anyone.

Or you can go to the CG Units web page and take that image. Your taxes and those of your members helped pay for that so feel free to use it.

Ken, it was kind of you to remove the auxiliary map, and create a BPaux specific map. Thank you.

Ironically, the Auxiliary National Map was not current. District 9 was reorganized, so that 9WR now includes both sides of Lake Michigan, and 9CR now includes Lake Superior.

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Originally posted by kdreger:

Ken Dreger

Never belonged to Minuteman Project! Again another Lie!

Hmm, was this your post which in part says:

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This is a land of laws, it is not about what country you come from or what color your skin is...got that?

Ken Dreger
Proud to be an AMERICAN,
And proud to me a Minuetman!

or the Minuteman forumwhere a Ken Dreger is identified a "Camp Director"

or on the Minuteman web page where Ken Dreger received an award for his Minuteman work? http://www.minutemanhq.com/state/read.php?chapter=CA&sid=440

Or
here where a Ken Dreger goes into great details about how the minutemen work and says that he has been a member for 2 years.

I don't really care either way, but it certainly seems as if you have been part of them in the past, if not now.