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Basic Training |
NOT ACCEPTABLE! Remove your post or assume the liability.
Actually, I want that information, you can leave this posting online, I want your PROOF! IF YOU CAN PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT I WAS TOLD ANY OF THAT AND SHOW ME ACTUAL FACTS IN WRITTING OR BY ACTUAL PERSONAL CONCERSATIONS WITH THESE PEOPLE WHO YOU CLAIM TO HAVE TALKED TO I WILL REMOVE ALL STATEMENTS PHOTOS YOU WISH!  |
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Basic Training |
NOT SIMILAR, AGAIN YOU ARE MISLEADING EVERYONE HERE, LOOK AT THE POTUS IMAGE!
AND THE IMAGE WE HAVE ON www.hspig.org! Do your HOMEWORK! AGAIN YOU MAKE CLAIMS THAT ARE NOT TRUE, I PAID $700.00 from Logoworks for the design of this image, we created it, designed around the POTUS Symbol, Not some wantabe group.  |
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Basic Training |
OR WHAT?
PLEASE TELL ME HERE ONLINE SO THAT EVERYONE CAN TAKE PART IN WHAT YOU CLAIM TO DO! Please expand! PS: ANYBODY know who the MOD here is, I want to make a FORMAL report of this user. (Never Mind I located the MOD and this person has been reported) |
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Basic Training |
NO it will not! You have made false statements against me and I want proof from where you got this information, I want names, numbers and times you called and talked to these people!
Not coming down. You have been reported, SHOT # 1- Mine |
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Basic Training |
No, I just don't make foolish mistakes like the one you did here.
Now, are you ready to supply me with this information? Maybe you need to sleep on it tonight and give it some deep thought! I can wait until Saturday for a response. Ken BTW, I really do use my real name, not some made up Moniker! |
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Basic Training |
What are you talking about? I want proof of who you called and talked to about! "I have come to the conclusion that Ken's entire organization exists only on a web page. Everything else is pure BS. You see Ken....I just got off the phone with Mark B. and Mike K. out of the San diego BP Office and they had some rather humurous comments about you. Maybe you can borrow some of LifeBoats-USA equipment (another organization on a web page only). This is hilarious. One question...What did you do when LT. Dixon threatened to put you in jail?" This is what I want you to prove here, understand? |
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Experienced Member |
One thing that I don't believe has been brought up is the use of the terms "Agent" and "Special Agent" by members of this organization. When combined with the name Border Patrol Auxiliary the clear intention is to give the impression of having law enforcement authority as those terms are obviously associated with LEOs from several federal agencies.
Imagine this phone call: "Hello, this is Special Agent Joe Smith with the Border Patrol Auxiliary...." Would a normal person believe this is a member of a nonprofit corporation? Now, they may (or may not-- time will tell) have managed to avoid breaking the letter of the law in regards to this issue, but they certainly have gone out of their way to make confusion as easy as possible. The one thing I will say is that their web page is many steps above that of other similar organizations in terms of quality. Typically you will see all sorts of crazy mis-spellings and quotations from various state and federal laws that are supposed to give the illusion of legitimacy. At least they are a little better than that. |
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Basic Training |
dittysmitty
Just keep it up, the hole only gets deeper! You need to give this some real serious thought about what you have tried to do here, many people in this forum may not agree with what we have created, but I would venture to say that 99% of them would never go as far as you have to smear & Libel anyone, that crosses over the line. You can make all the quotes you want from:http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/read.cgi?id=20050219&tid=1546817 but it still does not change anything. Ken |
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Experienced Member |
Asking for proof of phone conversations is something that someone who has been claiming all sorts of attaboys from various government agencies may not want get into....
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Basic Training |
No, I want the names and phone numbers and times and dates of when this person made these calls. I plan on calling these folks myself or personally visiting them. |
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Basic Training |
RA- that is a great point, and it is why we looked into it for a long time. We have talked to every agency we meet with and explain why we use these, it tells agents in the field that the person to whom they ar talking with have a level of training and experience that we have told BP AND CBP about and how our members achieve those levels. And no, just because you are a CG-AuX, you cannot just come in as a "Special Agent" with No experience of actual border operations etc. Sorry..... |
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I am sure that this is very reassuring to them.
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Basic Training |
RA- actually it is, when we meet an agent in the field in the middle of the night and they are all alone, they can tell if we have the experience to possably lend a hand in something they need assistance in, and it happens a lot.
Ken |
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Basic Training |
I am going to give you the night to think about this and will check back in the AM, maybe by then the Mods will have gotten back to me either by email or phone. Sleep tight! Ken |
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
Now, they may (or may not-- time will tell) have managed to avoid breaking the letter of the law in regards to this issue, but they certainly have gone out of their way to make confusion as easy as possible.
Would you mind citing the supposed 'letter of the law' that is allegedly being broken or is this just more FUD? I challenged you early in the thread to cite the law you claimed their name broke. You failed to do so. Now you are at least implying that their position titles also violate a law. So please provide the proof. BTW - railroad police and even some insurance agents are also known as Agents and Special Agents. There is nothing in the law reserving the title to federal agencies or even LEOs. |
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
a picture of himself wearing dress whites, a sword and sneakers.
Note to Ken: That is a reference to one of the National Commodore's (NACO) Aides who improperly outfitted himself with a sword and then didn't even get the rest of the uniform correct. And now as Paul Harvey would say - "The Rest of the Story": After violating several uniform violations, claiming credit for things he had nothing to do with or was only a marginal player in said NACO Aide and Swordsman was recently (this year) allowed to run for and win the title of Division Captain. So much for the Aux putting its best foot and members forward. But as they say in America - it isn't what you know but who you know that matters. |
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I believe that using the name Border Patrol Auxiliary violates the spirit and probably the letter of the law. Whether or not anyone goes after them for it, is another matter and as I said earlier, I doubt any Republican administration is going to. There are also statutes in most states relating to impersonating a police officer and I also believe that they could run the risk of violating those depending on the specifics of the situation and the state law. |
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Basic Training |
Ken,
I'm not trying to create a major discussion or issue as seems to be happing in regard to your organization but I would kindly request that you create your own District Geographic Image instead of copying the Auxiliary's directly. Below is from the National Website. I hope you see this as a reasonable request from a member of the Auxiliary. Thank you - This website's design, text, graphics and all other content and the selection and arrangement thereof are the creation, and copyright of United States Coast Guard Auxiliary (hereinafter referred to as the "Auxiliary"). For the avoidance of doubt, any other use of any of the materials on this website including reproduction (for any purposes other than those authorized herein), modification, distribution or re-publication without the prior written permission of the Auxiliary Department Chief of Information Technology (DC-I) is strictly prohibited. |
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Basic Training |
It's actually the Coast Guards district breakdown not just the Auxillary's |
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Basic Training |
I realize what you're saying and you're correct the Districts are the CG's breakdown but the particular graphic image was created by the Auxiliary. |
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