Then why do you have photos of vessels and equipment that do not exist? Especially a photo of what was clearly a boat from a law enforcement agency that you chose to portray as being a vessel of the "BPAUX"?

I guess a garden variety photo of some member's Bayliner (poor soul) wouldn't get the interest from potential new recruits like the flashy police boat...or the Hummer, eh?

You want to have your organization taken seriously -- at least that seems to be why you've come onto a forum geared toward a true Auxiliary of a sponsoring branch of the Department of Homeland Security. However, the public face of the "BPAUX" is your website. The images used on your website are fabrications -- intended to provide an impression to the viewer...a false impression. False impressions, such as the use of such images and the use of a name that implies affiliation with a branch of the U.S. Government equates to dishonesty.

Dishonesty will not afford you or your group the acceptance or credibility you seek. It is just that simple. Motivations aside, dishonesty trumps anything and everything positive you may try to accomplish.

It would be interesting to hear firsthand -- from an offical in the U.S. Border Patrol -- what their thoughts are concerning your organization (including the use of the name "Border Patrol Auxiliary"), or the "assistance" you feel that you provide. (we know very well what ADM Allen thinks about the CG Auxiliary) Obtaining a verifiable letter of support from a command-level official of the U.S. Border Patrol would be a starting point to convince me of your aurthenticity. I expect, however, your group is simply tolerated because they have bigger issues to deal with.

If this comes across as negative to you, make some of the recommended changes and you may begin to see a more positive response on this forum.

As we have a new member who is evidently unfamiliar with internet discussion boards, let me introduce him to the first rule of these boads -- you will not change the mind of anyone who participates in a discussion - EVER. No one ever backs down from a position they have taken -- EVER.

The best you can expect is to make an impact on those who read, but do not post to the board.

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know very well what ADM Allen thinks about the CG Auxiliary) Obtaining a verifiable letter of support from a command-level official of the U.S. Border Patrol would be a starting point to convince me of your aurthenticity. I expect, however, your group is simply tolerated because they have bigger issues to deal with.

FS- interesting observation!

Man you have way too much idle time...
I got off the phone this morning with a BP agent in San Diego who wanted to know about our Marine watch! he had never heard about our group and I filled him in on all the details! He was very happy to have us doing this and was amazed that we would even think about going out on the water. I told him that we were involved with a search & recovery effort back in Jan, and then he knew who we were and had nothing but good things to say about us.

I'm glad your Admiral gave you a letter, that is really nice of him considering that you folks work very hard to support his overall efforts! Kudoos to you.

We are not looking for a letter from anyone, I don't want a letter! I don't want that type of recognization! We want LEO's to get all the credit, not us.


Maybe we are just tollerated by the Feds, I don't have those answers, but then again a lot of groups and AUX groups are gust tollerated! Look at this forum in different areas , the in fighting is terrable! Look at what has and is going on in this tread! You folks cannot get along amongst yourselves! Not so with BPAUX, we stand on a united front, and it is just that simple.

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Originally posted by RiverAux:
As we have a new member who is evidently unfamiliar with internet discussion boards, let me introduce him to the first rule of these boads -- you will not change the mind of anyone who participates in a discussion - EVER. No one ever backs down from a position they have taken -- EVER.

The best you can expect is to make an impact on those who read, but do not post to the board.

Really, I think I have a little over 16 years of just working on Forums & BB's, and a little over 38 years in I/T, so don't try that crap that I am a newbee..... NOT! Been around a lot of forums worse than this one, you guys are just a push over! And way too much idle time on your hands...

I know I won't change those small unchangeable minds, but it will allow the other readers to see who those people are and to get my word out for everyone to make up thier own minds without ONE specific person here making those choices for a group of people!

You have proven my point, thank you!

"you will not change the mind of anyone who participates in a discussion - EVER. No one ever backs down from a position they have taken -- EVER."

Exactley what I was saying, ONLY people who are receptive to CHANGE and have open minds ever change! Thanks for pointing this out to everyone here and ratifiying it for me.

Keep up the great work..........

Ken

Ah, the idle time comment again... I must be striking a nerve of truth with you -- usually when you refuse to answer a direct question regarding your organization or misrepresentations.

We don't have a "letter" from the Admiral -- he incorporates the CG Auxiliary into his total operational plan for the USCG -- that is what I meant by "we know what ADM Allen feels about the CG Auxiliary". We ARE part of the total "Team Coast Guard".

Statements of supportive phone calls from a Border Patrol offical by you on this forum are worth about as much as the fabricated photos on your website....zero.

Personality differences will occur in any volunteer organization -- yours not excluded (give it time). It is no different with volunteer fire departments, rescue squads, etc. Some of the in-fighting on this forum stems from those who are no longer members of the CG Auxiliary striking out their frustrations. There is no requirement of Auxiliary membership to participate in this forum... After all, you were able to join in and state your opinions regarding an upstart organization that claims to be something that it isn't...weren't you?

Feel good about yourself...continue with your misrepresentations...eventually you may begin to believe them as being true. Some of us are not fooled so easily.

Ken,
I'm not being negative. I'm pointing out that as a browser on your site, looking at obviously doctored photos would not impress me and would make me question the validity of your organization. As a result, I would be hitting the BACK button very quickly--and you would be losing a potential member or financier.

How about a photo of a couple of your guys posing with one of the boats you really use?

BTW, I'm not old, not an ex-member of the CGAUX, and actually am quite busy most of the day

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Originally posted by AuxDoc:
Ken,
I'm not being negative. I'm pointing out that as a browser on your site, looking at obviously doctored photos would not impress me and would make me question the validity of your organization. As a result, I would be hitting the BACK button very quickly--and you would be losing a potential member or financier.

How about a photo of a couple of your guys posing with one of the boats you really use?

I see, but they must be doing something for others, or maybe just maybe it is the actual idea that they can help do something without being called a name! We get that a lot, so that works well also, We just got 2 new members today!

So far we are sitting at around 65 if I recall from my last count! Not bad for one month! But as many as you guys have! but then again, you folks have been around since DIRT! Ha HA Ha...just kidding.... then again you probably loose more in a week than we get in a month also.

Please try to get this we are not here to upset anybody's wagon at all, we don't want to take members away from you, we don't want to bad mouth you. If we are going to make this country safe groups like yours and ours (the private sector) Must work together! Just that simple, I don't care what names you call your groups, but you must find a common ground to come togather and work with one another...Or you just keep going down the road pissing at one another and never accomplish anything you started.

Thanks for the input again.

Ken

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Originally posted by AuxDoc:
BTW, I'm not old, not an ex-member of the CGAUX, and actually am quite busy most of the day

That is nice, I am OLD, and not a member of the CG-AUX. And I to am quite busy for 18 hours in the day also.

So?

Ken

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Originally posted by AuxDoc:
Ken,
I'm not being negative. I'm pointing out that as a browser on your site, looking at obviously doctored photos would not impress me and would make me question the validity of your organization. As a result, I would be hitting the BACK button very quickly--and you would be losing a potential member or financier.

How about a photo of a couple of your guys posing with one of the boats you really use?

I will see if we can get some of these on Saturday and post them for all of you to chew apart! How is that?

Ken

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Originally posted by AuxDoc:
Ken,
I'm not being negative. I'm pointing out that as a browser on your site, looking at obviously doctored photos would not impress me and would make me question the validity of your organization. As a result, I would be hitting the BACK button very quickly--and you would be losing a potential member or financier.

How about a photo of a couple of your guys posing with one of the boats you really use?

Ok, I understand your position, that is your choice again. Just for the record, in May we have a group of 20 men who are going to camp who have each been multi millionaires before the time they were 40 to see what we are all about. they are very interested in what we do and how they can partake in this. Now do you think that these guys would risk $$$$ and publicity to look at some wacked out group who wants to support border enforcement? Not me, never in one minute....They have done the home work and want to spend 3 days with us.

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Originally posted by flyandscuba:
Ah, the idle time comment again... I must be striking a nerve of truth with you -- usually when you refuse to answer a direct question regarding your organization or misrepresentations.

We don't have a "letter" from the Admiral -- he incorporates the CG Auxiliary into his total operational plan for the USCG -- that is what I meant by "we know what ADM Allen feels about the CG Auxiliary". We ARE part of the total "Team Coast Guard".

Statements of supportive phone calls from a Border Patrol offical by you on this forum are worth about as much as the fabricated photos on your website....zero.

Personality differences will occur in any volunteer organization -- yours not excluded (give it time). It is no different with volunteer fire departments, rescue squads, etc. Some of the in-fighting on this forum stems from those who are no longer members of the CG Auxiliary striking out their frustrations. There is no requirement of Auxiliary membership to participate in this forum... After all, you were able to join in and state your opinions regarding an upstart organization that claims to be something that it isn't...weren't you?

Feel good about yourself...continue with your misrepresentations...eventually you may begin to believe them as being true. Some of us are not fooled so easily.

Call the Boulavard CA BP field office and ask for Jim McFadden and ask him about us........how about that!

And let me know what he says....Make sure you identify yourself to him also.

Ken

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I will see if we can get some of these on Saturday and post them for all of you to chew apart! How is that?

I'm really not trying to get you defensive. I'm offering a point of view that I'm sure others would have looking at your site. A nice picture of your members being active would impress me alot more than a doctored photo.

Honesty is the best policy

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Originally posted by AuxDoc:

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I will see if we can get some of these on Saturday and post them for all of you to chew apart! How is that?

I'm really not trying to get you defensive. I'm offering a point of view that I'm sure others would have looking at your site. A nice picture of your members being active would impress me alot more than a doctored photo.

Honesty is the best policy

Yes it would, but at the time we had no pictures available. Maybe Saturday we can get some good ones and we will put them up in stead of these! I totally agree, but we have to work with what we have at the moment, our limited budget does not afford a lot of expenses now.

I would be careful of how long this group will maintain its 5013c status (assuming it has it). Dig a little in their "Border Blog" and besides the expected illegal immigration stuff you will also find some of the anti-Obama stuff that normally gets caught by your spam filter. I'm not sure exactly how far you have to go over into overtly political stuff to void your 5013c status, but I'd watch out.

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Originally posted by dittysmitty:
I have come to the conclusion that Ken's entire organization exists only on a web page. Everything else is pure BS. You see Ken....I just got off the phone with Mark B. and Mike K. out of the San diego BP Office and they had some rather humurous comments about you. Maybe you can borrow some of LifeBoats-USA equipment (another organization on a web page only). This is hilarious. One question...What did you do when LT. Dixon threatened to put you in jail?

Nope, not us, again you are mistaken, we have not met with either of these people, and we have not ever been involved with a Lt. Dixon! Sorry, I think he is talking about a group that was trying this back in 2005!

BTW, I have NEVER been "Threatened" by any LEO to be thrown into jail! Maybe you need to call them back and check to see when this all supposedly happened and where please....

I have not even had a traffic ticket in 40 years! where can you make this crap up?

Now this is really as you say Hilarious! I cannot wait to tell our folks this one....

This message has been edited. Last edited by: kdreger,

Also did you do any actual search on what we have done already?
here is a link: http://www.prlog.org/10049200-border-patrol-auxiliary-a...-search-efforts.html

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Originally posted by RiverAux:
I would be careful of how long this group will maintain its 5013c status (assuming it has it). Dig a little in their "Border Blog" and besides the expected illegal immigration stuff you will also find some of the anti-Obama stuff that normally gets caught by your spam filter. I'm not sure exactly how far you have to go over into overtly political stuff to void your 5013c status, but I'd watch out.

In order to maintain our HSPIG IRS status we must keep out of active political support or funding in any form. We cannot endorse any candidate.

Ken

Oh, here are some other names you may want to call at CBP:
M. Miles, K. Hill
Martin Miles
Deputy Director
San Diego Air & Marine

OR the POI at the unit!

I think that this "DittysmittY" person just crossed over the line!

If you have actual proof of this I want to see it! Making FALSE statements like these is going over the edge and I nor anyone else will tollerate that type of behavior! Show me the proof you have that this is ACTUALLY ME, AND the supporting evidence you have to back up your claim or retract this immediatley......


Remember Libel is:a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person!

And you are walking a very very thin line here now.

Ken