Originally posted by FL51D7:

The article itself reflects the general tone of the SDFers toward any competing group - an attitude very similar to the Aux. The SDFers perform needed public service but the often (usually) get the law wrong on wearing uniforms, there is no law regarding using military sounding titles and they make a big deal over nothing because a group has a non-profit foundation behind it - just like the CG Aux does.

When you say "just like the CG Aux does" do you mean making a big deal over nothing, getting the law wrong on wearing uniforms, or having a non-profit foundation behind it?

Originally posted by FL51D7:
A while back in the thread, RiverAux wrote:


The result tends to be that rump brigades are overly "top heavy" in officers with only a few company grade officers, noncommissioned officers, and relatively few private members compared to a similar numeric collection of U.S. Federal troops.

That's true of the Active Duty Air Force as well, btw, and also applies to medical, scientific, or investigative facilities/operations.

When you say "just like the CG Aux does" do you mean making a big deal over nothing, getting the law wrong on wearing uniforms, or having a non-profit foundation behind it?

The last one - CG Aux Association Inc to be specific. I don't know why but the SDFers always make a big deal about any 401 (c) corp a private group has. However, I wouldn't be surprised to find at least some SDFs don't have their own 401 non-profit corps.

The 'top heavy' point is really funny since the SDFers complain about that among themselves about themselves but it is supposed to some sort of red flag that a group is a so-called "rump".

Even the term "rump" is strange. It's original meaning means "remnant" or 'last surviving part'.

See the Wikipedia entry on Rump legislature for the first known use in English.

Then look up the entry for Rump State.

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A rump state is the remnant of a once-larger government, left with limited powers or authority after a disaster, invasion or military occupation.

See also Rump organization

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In Politics, a Rump organization is a remnant of a larger political grouping that continues to exist after the group has formally dissolved, split or been abolished.

So by those examples/defintions a 'rump militia' would be the remnant of whatever was left should some disaster befall the federal or state military. And it doesn't sound like a bad thing to have around.

Originally posted by FL51D7:
>When you say "just like the CG Aux does" do you mean making a big deal over nothing, getting the law wrong on wearing uniforms, or having a non-profit foundation behind it?

The last one - CG Aux Association Inc to be specific. I don't know why but the SDFers always make a big deal about any 401 (c) corp a private group has. However, I wouldn't be surprised to find at least some SDFs don't have their own 401 non-profit corps.

I don't think SDF oriented arguments have a problem with the private groups having a 401c, per se. It's the groups that have no "official" government charter of any kind, and whose only legal element is the incorporation as a 401c. SDF are aware of the AUX and have no problem with it because of the federal charter, numerous self-declarations of being non-military, and sponsorship of the real (tm) Coast Guard. Other govt agencies, btw, have associated 401c org's because they can recieve donations from private individuals, while police agenices, of course, cannot.

The 'top heavy' point is really funny since the SDFers complain about that among themselves about themselves but it is supposed to some sort of red flag that a group is a so-called "rump".



a good point. Every RN, doctor, dentist, or tech with a bacelor's is an officer in the military. That's a lot, right there. add the scientists...helo pilots and all the techs with associate degrees are warrant officers (with exceptions) and even the vocational nurses (12 month certificate) are automatically NCO's...


If RIVERAUX hasn't died of boredom yet, maybe he'll tell us where the word "rump", as used by SDF, comes from...

SDFs are part of the STATE MILITARY DEPARTMENT, not private enterprises.

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Originally posted by BTDT:
SDFs are part of the STATE MILITARY DEPARTMENT, not private enterprises.

I don't think anyone (in this thread) is disputing that. FL was making a comment that he thought SDF types have a problem with so called "rumps" because of the 401c behind them; I believe it's not the 401c, but the fact that the 401cis the only source of legal existence in a rump whereas SDF's are legal parts of the respective STATE MILItary. (as you state.)

Interesting that we never heard a post-mission report from the supposed "we're going out with the USCG this weekend claim"... If it happened, I expect the USCG was polite but then said "no thanks" or "we'll get back with you on that"...

If there had been some glowing success or new MOU between the "BPAUX" and the USCG -- no way there would be silence in this thread for so long.

(figured a rainy Saturday morning was a good time to blow the ashes off of the coals...)

Actually, they are going out on the 19th of April with BPAUX.

Ken,

Who is "they"?

The Coast Guard in San Diego.

If the BPAUX goes out with the CG I'll know about it as I will have my VHF on scan the whole day. So far no one has heard any coms regarding this outfit.

Ancora- That would mean you would know our freq and encryption! NOT.......


When we go out be asure you all will know.....

Have a great week, and smooth sailing

Ancora,

Any traffic on the big "joint op" scheduled for today??

I'd be interested in the opinions of Sector if the evolution actually took place...

It looks like another group has been getting a little press lately:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351765,00.html

http://www.kvoa.com/global/story.asp?s=7430459

http://technopatriots.com/articles/index.php

At least they aren't trying to give the impression that they are something they aren't...

Note: the Operation was cancelled because a heavey marine layer cam in around 22:00 and we had only a 100 yard visiability.
Sorry, will update you next time we go out

Ken

I bet that operation was named "Operation Sea Ghost".

There was a layer all right, a layer of you know what!

Ken,

Status??

An update:

Border Security Organizations Holding National Event at the Border July 4th

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A coalition of pro border security and anti illegal immigration groups announced an event designed to solidify their voice and celebrate national sovereignty. Billed as Operation Secure America Now, http://www.secure-america-now.com, the event will be held at Camp Vigilance, the headquarters of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps of CA, and the Border Patrol Auxiliary from July 3rd thru July 6th.

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The event will start with an old fashioned western Pig-Pit barbecue with speakers, music and trade fair on July 4th and border security operations will run for the remainder of the weekend.

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The Border Patrol Auxiliary, an unaffiliated, private, non-profit Association, will provide security for the event, which will be held on the camp’s 170 acre facility.

Border Patrol Auxiliary does border ops and social events on a holiday weekend. The CG Aux sits on its collective duff as flood waters inundate the mid-west.

OK - now go rip them to shreds.

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Border Patrol Auxiliary does border ops and social events on a holiday weekend. The CG Aux sits on its collective duff as flood waters inundate the mid-west.

OK - now go rip them to shreds.

I doubt if you are going to get many reactions supporting your cause by throwing out that kind of bait.

Well, to no surprize, we are back!

Yes, we are helping to host this July 4th event at camp vigilance. So far it looks like about 225 folks have registered, and more will probably come on July 4th.

Yes, I am doing the PIG Pit BBQ! That is me in the hole on the site!

It has been a LARGE project, and I will be really glad when it is done. Will be letting go of camp director after this event so someone else can take the reins. Need some time away and just be an Indian for a little while if I can.

If any of you are in the area, please drop on over, better yet visit the web site www.secure-america-now.com and see who will be speaking and make a reservation for the event!

Going to be a big Hoot!

Will have pictures afterwards for all of you who cannot make it!

Ken out-