If the BP Aux has any effect on reducing the invasion from the south, more power to them. We just have not seen them on the water yet or heard any coms.

Unfortunately this bunch won't have any positive effect in securing the border. They collect the $50, spew some BS, and move on. You'd be better off investing in snake oil - I can sell you a gallon for $50... such a deal.

So I gues that this does not count?

We have observed and reported upwards of 2,000 illegal invaders on our property alone since 2006 and just last Friday 45 were apprehended in the Oaks at 3 am. Its getting so you can almost set your clock to it.

Ken-

And how many did you report this month? this year? last 3 years?

We know.......Z E R O!

Go play someplace else Ditty...Game over....You lost.

Got proof? No? That's what i thought... and this ain't no game chump. Go troll for donations somepleace else buddy.

Sue do, call Jim Mc Fadden, Sector Chief in charge of BLVD. Ca station and ask him.

Honestly, I think this thread long ago left behind any relation to the CGAUX, and with it, the thread's relevance and place on this board.

Then again, it could be worth preserving as a verbal colosseum, allowing these internet gladiators to battle each other here so they don't make war in other threads...

OK buddy, I did just that and here's what they told me when I asked "Hey, I was just checking on some claims made by a group calling itself the border patrol auxiliary about the amount of illegal aliens they catch or report" The agent on the phone who was polite but busy sounding, named agent Younghusband said "I'm sorry but we aren't affiliated with any minutemen groups and the one you inquiring about can no longer use that name. And to the best of my knowledge we have not made apprehensions as a result of any calls from them" Here's the number I called. 619-478-5444 I smell a scam!

Ditty, I said to call Jim McFadden, who RUNS the sector, did you not read that?
Of course they will say that they are not affiliated with ANY group, that has been stated many times prior, you can keep ranting and raving, I personally have had enough of your wacked out comments, and actually think you Might Want Illegals in this country!

So if you wish to continue this thread, have a great time, we all know where you stand, and our record stands behind us.

Good Day, and have a nice life..........

Check the Urban Dictionary for "Mall Ninja"... Maybe we need a new definition added -- "Border Ninja"??

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1. mall ninja

A term used in forums to mean an unexperienced and enthusiastic weapon(usually a firearm)owner who pretends to be a seasoned operator.

Source: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mall+ninja

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Originally posted by MidnMike:
Honestly, I think this thread long ago left behind any relation to the CGAUX, and with it, the thread's relevance and place on this board.

Then again, it could be worth preserving as a verbal colosseum, allowing these internet gladiators to battle each other here so they don't make war in other threads...

I'm afraid at this point I must agree !!!

Or how about this one:
"Posted Mon 24 March 2008 10:00 PM Hide Post
Check the Urban Dictionary for "Mall Ninja"... Maybe we need a new definition added -- "Border Ninja"??."

And for all you guys who think you're remarks are any more important than his -- try this one on for size --" Zero Respect"-0!!! You put them down for what he does -- I think you have him all figured out -- and yet when I look at most of your bios, I began to wonder just how much stock I should put in what 'You' say. I've been on here a long time, and try very hard to respect everyone's opinion even if I don't agree with it. But one thing I've learned in this comes mostly from other members that have even said this same thing, "Listen to What They Say-Watch What They Do." Usually it only takes one or two things in a persons file or how they addressed the topic of conversation, whether they are experienced and know what they're talking about, or whether they are inexperienced wannabes who just want to add their three cents. It's tough to respect what a person has to say when they can even put their name in their Bio. If you make a remark like,
'Mall Ninja or Border Ninja, how is anyone going to respect what you're saying when all they know about you is--Bio-not available! Conflicts and Operations-not available!!-Interests-not available!!!
No awards, no citations, you don't even have any friends.
You get my drift. The only thing you had going for you is that you're not claiming to be anything, are you embarrassed over your own shortcomings? Or maybe you're not proud of your military service or who you are. Well, like I said you're not alone. It's tough to give anybody respect for what they say or how they express themselves if you don't know who you're talking to, or whether or not they have any experience at all to even be talking. Such a shame. I may not agree with everything this guy has said but hey his individual award alone prompts more respect for this vet and someone who can even put their name or branch of service in their Bio.
Some guys put nothing -- and opinions are reserved toward them because experience tells me he's not saying all he could. Some guys will only put down what they are comfortable with. Still others will go a little further and only put down what they are most proud of -- and at least give you some idea of the experience behind their comments. But there's always a few who will take an opportunity to put someone down with what are seemingly uneducated and ill-informed opinions just to jump on the bandwagon and run their mouth. Like I said, Zero Respect !!! You don't have to beat your chest or prove you are a hero. A little something, anything, that would show you understand and are worthy of some respect as a veteran with experience to comment.
Oh well, maybe it's too much to ask that a veteran be proud of who he is. Or at least what military he served in??? Zero Respect, think about it if you want to be taken seriously. In closing--

God Bless our men and women in military. And to all my brothers on here--
Welcome Home.... "Take Care and Stay Safe"
Ray.

There are plenty of reasons not to put info in one's profile... I, for one, work for the federal government, and don't want any remarks I make online being traced to me personally, lest they be contrary to the opinions of whatever politicians are in charge of me at the moment... It doesn't necessarily mean one is not proud of one's service.

Besides, anyone can lie about any achievement they want to list on their profile.

Basically what I'm saying is that I wouldn't use the contents (or lack thereof) of a user's profile determine the validity of their opinions.

Well, theres on hour or so of my life I'm never getting back...

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Originally posted by MidnMike:
There are plenty of reasons not to put info in one's profile... I, for one, work for the federal government, and don't want any remarks I make online being traced to me personally, lest they be contrary to the opinions of whatever politicians are in charge of me at the moment... It doesn't necessarily mean one is not proud of one's service.

Besides, anyone can lie about any achievement they want to list on their profile.

Basically what I'm saying is that I wouldn't use the contents (or lack thereof) of a user's profile determine the validity of their opinions.

While I must agree with you that there are plenty of reasons not to put information in one's profile about one's self -- I have two strongly disagree and say that there are just as many "Excuses" not to do so as well. Not being proud of one's service and or accomplishments certainly ranks right up on the top of those excuses.
Ask any Psychiatrist who deals in PTSD from troops coming home from the war, whether in combat or not, and they will tell you "Guilt", is an overriding factor, and is key in one's self esteem over having done too little, or at having done nothing at all. And it Ranks up at the top of why there is little or no profile at all.
In this day and age of politics, the excuse, or should I say the reason you gave made sense. And I for one certainly have no reason to disbelieve you. Your comment was to the point and made more sense than those I had previously viewed. That is to say, it certainly raised no red flags that I could see. By the way, you are absolutely correct when you say that anyone can lie about any achievement they want to list on their Bio/profile. However, we have some excellent experienced moderators here as well as other experienced veterans who do quite frequently sort out the wannabes and posers on these threads. Oddly enough, most of these wannabes and posers have quite extensive backgrounds and plenty of information in their Bio's. They don't last long, and as I alluded to earlier, if you been around a while you tend to be able to pick them out. So you see it's not always the case where they have nothing either. It's sometimes they have too much. A doctor once told that its most often guilt, associated with their PTSD. With no forethought of stolen valor, as in the case of military persons not feeling they had done enough. So they build themselves up reaching out for recognition, not realizing their crime. But if you try to look at it from my perspective for a moment, you have to wonder after reading some of the comments, who are these people and what kind of experience do they have that would lend itself to the types of comments they are making. And, some of them are so out there, you wonder if they even know what they're talking about.
So I hope you understand that for me, it is in that context that when I myself read some of the things that are posted on these threads, I tend to wonder who the person is, and has his experience in the military, or the subject being dealt with, helped him in his comment. To be honest there were some pretty good comments made also by people who had nothing in their Bio. I hope I was able to lend some understanding as to the reason for my comment. Sorry I was so long, but your comment was a good one and it deserved a proper answer as to my opinion. And now I will bring this comment of mine to a close. Fearing that Jack should lose another hour of his life I will simply say to all my brothers and sisters in uniform,
Welcome Home --" Take Care and Stay Safe". -- Ray.

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Bottom line, this BPAUX group are the minutemen and they want more money. They do nothing useful and they've done nothing of any use. When asked for proof they call you names. And never question my patriotism or love for America you f'n wanna be. You make me sick! Over....and Out!

I'm still waiting on the "agreement" between the BPAUX and the CG/CG AUX.

Ken,

Any updates?

I know, we have a meeting with the CG on the 18th & 19th of April, they are going out with us on the water!
I will keep all of you informed on that status....

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Originally posted by jchasem:
Bottom line, this BPAUX group are the minutemen and they want more money. They do nothing useful and they've done nothing of any use. When asked for proof they call you names. And never question my patriotism or love for America you f'n wanna be. You make me sick! Over....and Out!

This may be my last post on this thread. I think it has run out of usefulness for me as far as information and the like is concerned. But I could not leave without voicing my displeasure at one particular post. -- James Chase-- you've got more nerve than brains. The very audacity, with which you come on here and question a veteran, who at least lists his branch of service, because you don't like what he's saying or what he stands for his appalling. Apparently you have not read the entire thread. My suspicion is that you are a little more than a Wannabe Poser. That's right I said it. As far as I'm concerned you have no validity here or anywhere else. And I question greatly your patriotism to this country. Who are you to question anyone? Have you ever been in uniform and taken up a rifle in defense of our Constitution? I think not. I don't think you have ever sworn to an oath in your life. Other than to put other people down, call them names, and to belittle them whenever you feel it's appropriate. You try to talk the talk. And you don't even do that very well. Have you ever walked the walk? I seriously doubt it. If you have, prove it. What military did you serve in? Where have you serve and with whom? Do you have any friends? Friends that can prove you are anything you say you are. There are some members here who say that they don't want to give information on themselves for reasons of anonymity, as one member wrote to tell me. I don't buy that crap for one minute. But he was at least respectful in his comments. He didn't try to put me down or belittle me, or call me names. I respect him for his opinion, and that was that. I just believe there are too many ways to let people know that you have some kind of experience that would add validity to what you say. Sure you could be lying. But we are pretty good here at ferreting out the poser's from the legitimate veterans. In fact, there are many of us here who do just that. Mostly because we are tired of poser's and wannabes who would steal the valor from honest veterans and servicemen and women who do their jobs without beating their chest. So I say to you, as I'm tired of hearing your mouth, why should we lend credence to any thing you say? What experience do you have if any that would lead us to believe you have any thing important to say? Let me say this before I go. If I am wrong about you, and I doubt that I am, I will be man enough to apologize. It's something you learn with maturity. Somehow, I think you have a long way to go before you get to that stage in your life. As I said before, I don't expect everyone to agree with me, we all have differences of opinion and I'm aware that. But those here who know me, and there are a few, know that I generally do not disrespect anyone. But you sir, have worn out my last thread. --- Waiting! ---
As always, to all my veteran brothers and sisters, Welcome Home. To our men and women in the military everywhere, God Bless. >>>� Take Care and Stay Safe�.
Ray.

A while back in the thread, RiverAux wrote:

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Folks, I have participated in boards relating to State Defense Forces for years and we see this same thing all the time from groups that are nicknamed "rump militias" by those in the SDF community.

At the time he wrote that there was a dormant thread on the closely related in mission, MinuteMan Project on the SDF Forum on VA Joe.

You might want to read the latest posts in that thread.

It should be somewhat obvious that at least some of the SDF members supported the MinuteMan Project, especially its mission. There is reason to believe that at the BP Aux would garner at least some support from the same forum - and probably a lot given the tenor of the thread.

Regarding the SDFers use of 'rump' - one member started a thread about his Wikipedia article on Rump Brigades. The thread is full of the usual SDF back-slapping and high fiving when it comes to their discussions about rumps.

However, go over and look at the article. Within a day or two of its posting it got these Wikipedia 'tags'.

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The article itself reflects the general tone of the SDFers toward any competing group - an attitude very similar to the Aux. The SDFers perform needed public service but the often (usually) get the law wrong on wearing uniforms, there is no law regarding using military sounding titles and they make a big deal over nothing because a group has a non-profit foundation behind it - just like the CG Aux does.

So outside their realm of being the state military - I would take anything an SDFers says about 'rump' groups with several pounds of salt.

BTW - here is the funniest part of the article:

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The result tends to be that rump brigades are overly "top heavy" in officers with only a few company grade officers, noncommissioned officers, and relatively few private members compared to a similar numeric collection of U.S. Federal troops.

What is funny about that is it is true when you compare a so-called 'rump' to the federal military. However, that exact same criticism has been leveled against the SDFs by the SDFers themselves - including our own RiverAux and those he refers to on VA Joe. Does that make the SDF 'rump' or just 'rump-like'.

Not to mention that this article is a little OLD, it started on: 2006-06-28 19:22:58 about 2.5 years befor BPAUX was formed. So how does this relate to the discussion here?

The last posts were made today. RiverAux's claim was that the SDFers would not like your group.

My position is that based on the whole tenor of that thread and the last few posts they probably wouldn't have a problem with you at all.

He also cited them as some sort of authority on rumps but the one and only article written by one of them 'off the reservation' (so to speak) - didn't cut it for citations, quality or neutrality.