William,

The security companies are established under Statutes that control what they can wear, how it's worn, and what they can and cannot do. That's why the can wear LE looking things. They are responsible to a Governmnet entity and can loose their ability to provide services if they don't abide by the rules.

Guards (in most states) must have some registration and documentation of training. They undergo a background check/fingerprint check when hired/certified.

Good luck this weekend on your operation!

If I miss my guess, I believe that the USCGAUX will not be able to help you this weekend, or any other weekend, given the controverisal nature of your organization.

I hope that all goes well and that your operation goes without incident.

It would be nice to get back to some CG Auxiliary business and get away from all this BPAUX involvement. We are two entirely different organizations and we will never be able to work together as it is way outside of our policies and regulations to engage in the type of activity or environment that the BPAUX engages in. The fact is that the BPAUX has no policies other than the ones that they make up for themselves as they go along. We are governed by the policies of the Commandant of the United States Coast Guard and I for one am very proud to uphold his policies in the best interest of the people of the United States of America. Perhaps one day the BPAUX will have their own forum with Military.com and will not attempt to use our forum to promote their interests. I enjoy coming to this forum to increase my understanding of the Auxiliary in order to better my duties as a Station Auxlo and have little or no interest in what the BPAUX does or doesn't do. Enough is enough. Nothing that anyone can say will change the thought process of the BPAUX representative that has been posting here in our forum.

Perhaps one day the BPAUX will have their own forum with Military.com and will not attempt to use our forum to promote their interests.

TybeeBM1: I always had and still have the utmost respect for your service and opinions. But the original post in this thread was made by a member of the USCG Aux, a member who happens to be a friend of mine. He did not join the BP Aux until later in the thread. So just to keep the record straight, this thread originated with a USCG Aux member - not the BP Aux.

we will never be able to work together

If I am reading this thread correctly, let us all hold our collective breath until at least next Wednesday.

Perhaps one day the BPAUX will have their own forum with Military.com and will not attempt to use our forum to promote their interests.

I can understand your sense of frutstration, but the thread was started by a current member of the Aux. When challenged the BP Aux used their natural right of response. Further, they have the suppot of both current and former members of the USCG Aux. In fact, if current members of the Aux had not kept challenging Ken, this thread would have died long ago.

TybeeBM1,

Thank you for your continuing servive to your country. No matter how much or where any of us volunteer, none can match your willingness 'to stand on the wall'.

Thank you.

Thank You FL51D7, one of the reasons that I enjoy this forum is due to the fact that my Auxiliarists do not always tell me "the whole truth and nothing but the truth". My Auxies hate me coming to this forum and getting the "real" stories. Do you know how many times I have been approached concerning blue lights on Auxiliary facilities? When I advise them that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES are they to have a blue light on their facility they look at me like "how does he know that"?. Same goes for the firearms on a facility. It is nice being one step ahead of some real slick individuals.

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Originally posted by BTDT:
William,

The security companies are established under Statutes that control what they can wear, how it's worn, and what they can and cannot do. That's why the can wear LE looking things. They are responsible to a Governmnet entity and can loose their ability to provide services if they don't abide by the rules.

Guards (in most states) must have some registration and documentation of training. They undergo a background check/fingerprint check when hired/certified.

I've been both a guard and LEO. Until recently, security companies were established/incorporated under the same rules as any other commercial entity. You'd be surprised at just how little regulation there is in some states. Some more than others, of course. Dog the Bounty Hunter of A&E fame arrests criminals although he himself has an arrest record - for accessory to murder.

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William Baldwin, Jr
MBA HCM program Univ of Phoenix
Ground below Zero, City of New Orleans, La
on the web: www.coastguardauxiliaryslidell8cr.us

Originally posted by kdreger:

kdreger> Wiliam, Wiliam where have you been for the last 4 years? No federal, local, state agency wants to touch any "Minuteman Group" they are the political third rail in today's society! No agency will work with them at all.

You've already stated the opposite, no? that they like you, appreciate ur info and all? obviously they can't "work with you" or "recognize" you, as a private entity, they can not treat you any different than any other private entity. (both for better and for worse..)


kdreger>We can agree to disagree, but the name stands the same regardless of what is said here.

your'e pretty quick to assume I disagree with you. Also, I could care less what you call your organization - I'm not a part of it, so why should I?

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And for those of you with "Rose Colored Bi Focles" on, take a look at this:

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This might help, a little late, but still great to have them there....

That was a lot of reading, and I hope you don't mind but I didn't want to take up all that space again with your quote. I must say that is a lot of research. Looks and sounds like you did a great job, and I for one appreciated being able to take advantage of all the information you laid out for us. I still intend to check out all your information more thoroughly, but unless I see different--- Great job!
Thank You.

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Originally posted by TybeeBM1:
It would be nice to get back to some CG Auxiliary business and get away from all this BPAUX involvement. We are two entirely different organizations and we will never be able to work together as it is way outside of our policies and regulations to engage in the type of activity or environment that the BPAUX engages in. The fact is that the BPAUX has no policies other than the ones that they make up for themselves as they go along. We are governed by the policies of the Commandant of the United States Coast Guard and I for one am very proud to uphold his policies in the best interest of the people of the United States of America. Perhaps one day the BPAUX will have their own forum with Military.com and will not attempt to use our forum to promote their interests. I enjoy coming to this forum to increase my understanding of the Auxiliary in order to better my duties as a Station Auxlo and have little or no interest in what the BPAUX does or doesn't do. Enough is enough. Nothing that anyone can say will change the thought process of the BPAUX representative that has been posting here in our forum.

First of all I wish to wholeheartedly thank you for your service to our country. I have been fortunate enough to have a few Coast Guard buddies when I was younger. I miss them, they were some pretty cool guys, and really knew how to throw a picnic. Anyway with all that said, I wanted to comment on your last post. Your words left me feeling a little unwanted in here. I don't think I have ever felt that on military.com. There are some threads in here that I sometimes find my way back to but mostly I like to visit all the threads to see what everyone is talking about. If it interests me, I will most likely read its entirety in case I feel like making a comment I'll know what I'm talking about. I found this thread to be like that. Very interesting. I admit to my ignorance on a lot of the subject matter in here, and decided to read the whole post before making any comments. If I had any.
Question! Have you ever visited in the other threads on here and found it interesting enough to read through and make comments? I think a lot of veterans including active service do this. I don't want to put words in your mouth; you better than anyone know what you have said. It's the underlying tone of the way you have said something that bother me. I know that by reading the thread it has sparked comment by others as well. Basically what I'm trying to say is this. It's the tone in which you mentioned � Enough Is Enough� and
� Our Forum�, and the way you mentioned,� I enjoy coming to this forum to increase my understanding". And why do you like increasing your understanding? Well, actually you are he told us why.
I think it's safe to say that a lot of people like myself included, go through the other forums in order to increase their understanding of how things are being done, and by whom, and why. Trust me when I tell you I completely understand your frustration. I have been there, and at times it has been very tough in keeping with a respectful decorum, particularly when you have so many varying opinions about a particular subject.
I believe as military servicemen we all took the same oath. I believe also that we should remain mindful of the fact that everyone is entitled to his or her Own Opinions. As many members would say� we may not like your opinions, but we respect your right to have them.
Anyway, I would hope that I misunderstood your tone, and that I am welcomed here as well as anywhere on military.com forums with my opinions as well.
Once again, I thank you for your service to our country. I tried to join the Coast Guard once. But I was too old. That's too bad because I love the water. I even tried to join in any capacity for Iraq also. But alas, again I was just too old. My son just returned after 15 months-first tour.
Anyway, I just wanted in this by saying, I applaud anyone who is willing to give up his or her time and help in any capacity in the protection of our country. And that means protecting our borders in some way, Bravo!! By the way I tried to join the Border patrol but you guessed it. I was too old loll.
Thanks for letting old man take up space on your forum. God Bless. �Take Care and Stay Safe"-Ray.

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And has been noted thru-out this discussion, a similar lack of activity on the part of the government, including the Aux has lead to the creation of the BP Aux. I'm not buying this name arguement for a second. No matter what they called themselves the CG Aux wouldn't like them.

Why would the CGAUX "not like them" if they had a name like minutemen, private border watch, or whatever? How would it affect us whatsoever?

(I kinda liked the shirt that said "Undocumented Border Agent", (including the quotes,) what group was that?)


--
William Baldwin, Jr
MBA HCM program Univ of Phoenix
Ground below Zero, City of New Orleans, La
on the web: www.coastguardauxiliaryslidell8cr.us

William they will not touch any Minuteman group because theyare a political 3rd rail! Ask your Grand Admirial to see if you can get your local MM group to help you and see what he says!
I know where I am placing my Bet!
Better yet, go to your local LEO and ask them if they would like to work with a MM Group! AND if you find one let me know I will send over 100 more MM groups also!

One more thing, someone stated that I came here to promote BPAUX, not, I came here after the thread was created, and to provide answers to the questions being raised here by these people.

I am not here to promote BPAUX, way too much effort for the return.....

Why all this verbiage over criminal illegal aliens? After all, they are only killing people that American's won't kill. That's how you know you have an illegal alien problem: when American murderers are losing their jobs to foreign murderers. Do they look at Americans as "road kill?"

Why would the CGAUX "not like them" if they had a name like minutemen, private border watch, or whatever? How would it affect us whatsoever?


--
William Baldwin, Jr
MBA HCM program Univ of Phoenix


kdreger:> William they will not touch any Minuteman group because theyare a political 3rd rail! Ask your Grand Admirial to see if you can get your local MM group to help you and see what he says!
I know where I am placing my Bet!
Better yet, go to your local LEO and ask them if they would like to work with a MM Group! AND if you find one let me know I will send over 100 more MM groups also!


being unwilling or unable to work with an organization because of it's private status (or controversial nature) is far different from "not liking" an agency.

Why would the CGAUX "not like them" if they had a name like minutemen, private border watch, or whatever? How would it affect us whatsoever?

It isn't just the name, if they changed their name the Auxies would go after them for their 'uniform' which is nothing but khacki cargo pants, a polo shirt and a green belt. In fact, the BP Aux 'uniform' has already been the subject of criticism in this thread.

Auxies as a whole, and this goes all the way back to the old Member Forum, don't like the USPS. Why? The same reason they don't like the BP Aux. Competition for members and missions - which in the case of the USPS is direct competition in VE, PV, PE, chart updating, regatta patrols and almost every other Aux mission.

The Aux as a whole doesn't like commercial salvors since they are competition for what used to be (pre-1984) the raison d’état of the operations program.

The Aux as a whole doesn't like yacht clubs and 'yachtees' - although that is what the Aux sprang from. Why? The same reasons as above competition for members and probably yacht clubs have more fun then most Aux flotillas.

So don't kid yourselves - the name is only a cover for deeper resentment and a perceived threat to the Aux's membership base.

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reason they don't like the BP Aux. Competition for members and missions - which in the case of the USPS is direct competition in VE, PV, PE, chart updating, regatta patrols and almost every other Aux mission.

All of these have been very good posts, with the exception of Ditty, and his new idenity...
And a little new info, it looks like th CG will be doing a "Ride Along" with us in April to check us out and how we operate. We had lunch with them today and they were very favorable to what we were doing....sounds very good for both groups, co-operation between the private & Public sectors! just what we wanted!

Well, have to go, it is going to be down in the low 30's tonight here in Idaho....

Later folks......

Ken

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Originally posted by kdreger:

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reason they don't like the BP Aux. Competition for members and missions - which in the case of the USPS is direct competition in VE, PV, PE, chart updating, regatta patrols and almost every other Aux mission.

All of these have been very good posts, with the exception of Ditty, and his new idenity...
And a little new info, it looks like th CG will be doing a "Ride Along" with us in April to check us out and how we operate. We had lunch with them today and they were very favorable to what we were doing....sounds very good for both groups, co-operation between the private & Public sectors! just what we wanted!

Well, have to go, it is going to be down in the low 30's tonight here in Idaho....

Later folks......

Ken

With the possible exception of probably one of the most ignorant replies I have ever read on any forum,Why all this verbiage over criminal illegal aliens? After all, they are only killing people that American's won't kill. That's how you know you have an illegal alien problem: when American murderers are losing their jobs to foreign murderers. Do they look at Americans as "road kill?" it's been a pretty informative piece for me anyway.Ken, I wish you the best of luck in that your purpose holds true. I see nothing wrong and hope the two groups can coexist for the common good of the citizens. Thanks to everybody for some pretty interesting read. God Bless,--"Take Care and Stay Safe," Ray.

Thank you for the undeserved accolades. The statement regarding illegal aliens is actually a quote from Ann Coulter's book, "If Democrats had any brains, they'd be Republicans."

"[QUOTE] originally posted by Ancora:
Why all this verbiage over criminal illegal aliens? After all, they are only killing people that American's won't kill. That's how you know you have an illegal alien problem: when American murderers are losing their jobs to foreign murderers. Do they look at Americans as "road kill?"

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ancora:
Thank you for the undeserved accolades. The statement regarding illegal aliens is actually a quote from Ann Coulter's book, "If Democrats had any brains, they'd be Republicans.





I would like to say first to another member here on this post>>TybeeBM1>> when I say to you I understand your frustration, it was comments like the above that I was referring to. Going along smoothly as threads usually do, there is always the chance that someone will jump in on your forum with a ridiculous comment or two. I actually thought this youngster was a hit and run. But I see he is back to defend his dumb AZZ. A young Two year drafty with little or no experience compared to the other members I see here on this post, decides to just enter a conversation with a statement that is not even his own. And no explanation. The only thing of substance(if you can call it that) in his Bio. was the fact that he likes to play in the water. I'm sure all of you gentlemen in the Coast Guard and other veterans here were thoroughly impressed by your (Ancora), high adventure's truly noteworthy experiences. By the way I have that book by Ann Coulter, and I think if you read it again you might not take her out of context. I happen to like the book and her views closely reflect my own time. I am with you would call a True Independent. Look that up before you comment. To the rest of the gentlemen here, I appreciate the opportunity given to comment in your forum and I will not again take up any of the conversation regarding this buffoon. Again I can understand frustration. Sometimes it gets to me as well, particularly when I see wannabes who try to ride the coattails of men and women of valor, courage and commitment. A friend of mine once said
" Listened to What They Say-Watch What They Do". Gentlemen, "Take Care and Stay Safe" Ray.

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Originally posted by FL51D7:
Why would the CGAUX "not like them" if they had a name like minutemen, private border watch, or whatever? How would it affect us whatsoever?

It isn't just the name, if they changed their name the Auxies would go after them for their 'uniform' which is nothing but khacki cargo pants, a polo shirt and a green belt. In fact, the BP Aux 'uniform' has already been the subject of criticism in this thread.

For the same reason that the name was criticized - that it was "on the edge" of implying LE authority without blatantly doing so. As I stated before, security companies do the same thing. Part of me sees the point that it's semi-fraud, wannabeeism, etc, while the other part sees the argument that it ain't technically illegal, and it's all about the "brand image" your trying to project...(and need to project to get the job done.)

Another example is "Farm Fresh" brand frozen chicken. It's just the brand name. Obviously implies the chicken is fresh, though the fine print clearly states it's frozen. A strategy that's technically legal, and has the tacit approval of the USDA that stood up for them when criticized in the media. (The media, and others, took the RIVERAUX and SDF view that it shouldn't have the word "fresh" on a package of food that is actually frozen.)




Auxies as a whole, and this goes all the way back to the old Member Forum, don't like the USPS. Why? The same reason they don't like the BP Aux. Competition for members and missions - which in the case of the USPS is direct competition in VE, PV, PE, chart updating, regatta patrols and almost every other Aux mission.

Some auxies don't. And some are members of both organizations. Just as you were, before being thrown out of this one. Those that have no use for USPS can join the AUX, and that's the beauty of having a choice. ain't competition wonderful? (Though I personally think we should be working with them, and CAP, along the DOD joint forces and ICS shared command models, instead of "competing"....



--
William Baldwin, Jr
MBA HCM program Univ of Phoenix
Ground below Zero, City of New Orleans, La
on the web: www.coastguardauxiliaryslidell8cr.us