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No, it was purchased, not donated. |
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I live in CA, as Ditty posted the other day.. |
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The question remains -- what make and model is "it" so the true purchase price can be verified...  Edit to add... No, not a FLIR product. Thermal Eye 250D with a typical price tag of $11,600 - $12,900. http://actoptics.stores.yahoo.net/l-3-thermal-eye-250d-camera.html This message has been edited. Last edited by: flyandscuba, |
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If these people are so active why didn't they find the small boat that was found DIW off the coast of San Diego with 26 illegal aliens on board? They were found by a civilian boater who called it in to a tow company who in turn, wisely notified the Coast Guard. I can imagine a wannabee towing them in and all hell breaking loose. This is becomming a common event here. Stolen American boats being filled with illegal aliens in Mexico, brought up and beached here in southern California.
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Still waiting on an answer to this one Mr. Dreger? Best wishes to your family. -Jeff |
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Rigth now I cannot tell you, the Thermal is at camp and I am 800+ miles away, so you will have to wait until I get back ther in a few weeks to answer that.
Ken |
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Already found the answer....thanks.
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
Because of the recognition of Auxiliary aircraft as great photo platforms, all 8 WR AuxAir facilities now have surveillance kits consisting of cameras and stabilized binoculars. The kits were procured by Air Station New Orleans and distributed by DIRAUX. Interesting. Although you would think that NACO would know that New Orleans is in 8CR not 8WR. FWIW - there are 16 aircraft in all of 8CR. There are 37 aircraft (boy is that number way down) in D7. Side note - SkyRay may be interested in this since he might know the historic numbers. Division 5, my old division which is essentially Palm Beach and Martin County is down to 2 aircraft. Division 3 which is Fort Lauderdale and the immediate vicinity has 3 aircraft and Division 6 which I think is Miami-Dade and Broward (not including Fort Lauderdale vicinity) has 6 aircraft. While we're on the subject of auzair, ain't this kinda a weird thing to have on an AUXIE website????-JRC WTF? Can someone say major violation of the AuxMan!!!
The only authorized training by Auxies is hands-off range supervision. Auxies cannot handle firearms and they certainly cannot offer instruction to the public in firearms. Someone is about to get spanked - BIG TIME. OTOH - any graduates are superb candidates for the BP Aux since CG Auxies cannot carry.
I feel sorry for any Coastie who let an Auxie complete a course of fire and signed any documentation to that effect - since it is expressly prohibited for Auxies to handle firearms and they certainly cannot be qualified to do so. Get the feeling this is starting to mushroom. Get the feeling another cover-up is about to take place.
This gets better {or worse} by the minute (or line). Auxiliarist are applying for discounts on handguns licenses from the state as Auxies? I see Trouble brewing on the Good Ship TexAuxtanic. And they were crazy enough to put up photographic evidence, in uniform (or semi-uniform) and an Auxiliary logo on the wall. Unbelieveable!!!! |
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If the CG is so active why did not they? I think those folks were not in the area where we were, maybe if we had co-operation with other groups this would not happen! Every think about that instead of just getting all over us? No, lets push this on the new folks, they should be out there all the time! get real, maybe the Aux needs to be out there also. Ken |
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maybe the Aux needs to be out there also.
They can't do it. Too busy running illegal (per Auxie regs) firearms classes and finding dead bodies. For the latter see, Fisherman finds submeged airplane After a very interesting story about a find found while not on duty as an Auxie, there is this at the end:
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Well, Hal, as the Texas slogan goes, "It's Like a Whole Other Country."
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What I want to know is where are all the CG Auxies who went ballistic and starting quoting all sorts of laws at Ken over the BP Aux doing legal firearms training.
Well, where is the whoop and holler now that it has been exposed that the Aux is doing the same thing but in clear violation of its rules & regs. And if 1 flotilla is doing it and put it out in public, you just have to wonder how many others are doing it under cover (so to speak). You have to go back a long way to the original Blue Light Special Scandal when everyone wanted to write that one off as the behavior of a rogue member or two or a rogue flotilla or two. It turned out to involve large segments of 1SR and the disease had spread from there to other districts. So don't dismiss this as the rogue behavior of 1 flotilla. Speaking of the Blue Light District, remember when DirAux1SR stated that all blue lights had to be turned into her or else. The 'or else' being she would give the word to LE to pursue the Auxies already on file for running with illegal blue lights. Said prosecution to take place after she booted their butts out the door. Well, did anyone hear how many illegal blue lights were turned in and how many illegal blue lighters were tossed for failure to comply? Something else that should be looked into since the gun toting flotilla was fairly open about what it was doing. And that 'something' is how many, if any, division, district and/or national appointed or elected officers are members of that flotilla. The Gold and Silver will try to bury this one as fast as they can but they should try and find out 'who knew what' and 'when did they know it'. A private guess but how much do you want to bet Ken is ROTFLHAO over this latest CG Auxie SNAFU. |
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FL,
The Texas firearms training appears to have been done solely as a joint Morale, Welfare, and Recreation offering that included active duty, reserve, and Auxies. It was not a good idea to post it on their website -- I certainly agree. Simply because it could be misinterpreted as you have done. And yes, discounts on licenses for the Auxies would be improper -- unless they were offered by the state for other non-military organizations. However, you should acknowledge that doing something as an MWR event -- something that they can use in their personal life -- is not similar to the "BPAUX's" practice of encouraging their members (or at least allowing them to) carry a concealed firearm during the course of their mission activity. That is expressly forbidden for us in our prosecution of CG Auxiliary missions. Nowhere in the Texas website does it show or imply that the intent is to carry a concealed firearm while in the course of conducting Auxiliary duties or missions. I see this as no different that any other MWR activity (golf tournaments, fishing outings, etc.) -- although reactions such as yours should have been expected by the Texans. Are you saying that any person who happens to be a member of the Auxiliary should never touch or shoot a firearm -- at any time? If that is the case, I'm in violation now -- because I have an HK P7M8 strapped to my belt that is a common companion to me when I'm doing recreational activities in the woods (went for a walk in the woods looking for old civil war headstones in MS an hour or so ago). I've considered putting together a pig hunting event -- open to active duty, reserve, and Auxies in my area -- as a morale event. Are you saying I would be in violation?? I might add that the very website Pacs referenced has been previously discussed on this very web forum -- so it shouldn't be viewed as "new" information....a "smoking gun" of sorts... Your bitterness and jealousy related to the Auxiliary is really beginning to show thorugh in your posts. I'm personally sorry that you are no longer a member -- because I think you would be fun to be around...most of the time. |
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Well FL,
Where are they? I don't know but I think (from what I understand) there is one difference here that could lead to different consequences. It is clearly stated in the Aux manual that Auxiliarists are not to be armed. Period. I don't know what the BPAux manual states as I am not a member. The "violators" of the policy should be reprimanded. The same if our AuxFac has blue lights. The patrol manual (if I remember correctly. I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong) authorizes Amber/Red lights, not blue and only used during certain situations. If the BPAux policy is for them to carry weapons, that is their consequence to deal with. I don't want to get into a heated debate over this again. It's irrelevant. This is an "agree to disagree". I, personally don't wish to carry a firearm (no, I am not a gun control advocate) while I am serving as a volunteer (for any organization). It would put me in a situation that could mushroom very, very quickly. I came to this board thinking that I would be able to learn some new things and/or get some different perspectives on things. I must tell you I am highly disappointed. Granted I got into this discussion, and for that I am sorry. I have seen more negativity than positive (once again, the old adage "Misery loves company"). And that's a shame. I volunteered with the United States Coast Guard Auxiliary because I want to serve my country and its citizens. As I have said in other posts in other threads, I could not serve in the regular military for "health reasons" (my eyes were bad is what the doctor told me) so I do my best on the silver side and I feel damn proud of it and have a feeling of worth after a day of VSC's (I am currently studying for crew). Granted we may not look good in these uniforms (reference other thread) but they are just that UNIFORM (one form) and, let's face it, most of us are NOT calender models. I go through the extra steps and cost out of my pocket to DO MY BEST. I am willing to bet that the VAST majority of the Auxiliary is happy and proud to be members. Here's a rhetorical question for you: I wonder who said it? Maybe we need to rethink the answer: "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" Maybe we need to rethink what we need to do to help. I tell my boys: "don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution" (boy, I have a feeling that people are going to run on a tangent with that). Now that I am done on my soap box. Chew on it for a bit. Not here to start a fight, nor a ***** session, nor any disrespect. I am here to voice my right to free speech that every man an woman in the armed forces help protect (and for that I thank them) |
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Mr. Dreger,
I'm still waiting for my Q's on the fee structure to be answered. Seeing that you've obviosly read the questions in my posts at least twice, yet still have not answerd them after acknowledging that you would, I will assume that my suspicion is right, pay $50 dollars to get your foot in the door and then when you want to "Take your membership to the next level" one will be slapped with a hefty fee? -Jeff |
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Ever thought that an Auxie may have completed such training within 5 years -- back when they were an active duty or reserve Coastie -- prior to becoming an Auxie?? Your eyes must be good -- cause I see nothing that could be identified as a CG or Auxiliary uniform... Maybe one gent in an old working blue outfit...but then, they could be Dickies too... The Auxie conductiong the course is listed as being a Texas DPS Certified CHL Instructor. He was probably offering the course in that capacity. No different that me providing a law enforcement driving course to active duty and reserve Coasties who are subject to drive with the use of lights & sirens. I would be doing so as a law enforcement instructor -- who just happens to be an Auxie. |
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Funny,
ya hit "HOME" on the upper right hand corner of that page and ya go to a page, thats titled in big bold letters: "United States Coast Guard Auxiliary Div 6 8 CR Personnel Services Support Site" underneath that, at #3, it says: Texas Concealed Handgun USCG military program application page. THEN, at the bottom of the page it has: The persons name Aircraft Commander Div 6 SO-PS Texas DPS Certified CHL Instructor Flotilla 6-10 8CR USCG AUX And it sure looks like there is something on the collar of that "old timer" in the "dickies". Believe me, I ain't against handguns at all. Personally I think its beyond insane for members of the USCGAUX to be U/W in a vessel that for all intents and purposes represents the USCG and our Gov't in at least a quasi law enforcement position to be unarmed. But that ain't what the rules say. But what ya DO have isa guy fronting a concealed carry handgun course on an "official" USCGAUX website that supposed to be playing by the same rules. And he "signs it" with everything AUX up to and including USCG AUX-JRC |
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We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo |
Pachesma,
You hit the nail on the head. The course appears on an Aux site, taught by someone who identifies himself as an Auxie and the real show stopper - the Aux flotilla directly benefits. There is no denying that this is an official function of the USCG Auxiliary. OK - so the proponents of the illegal training are trying to exempt it under some MWR clause. Well there is no such clause. MWR would fall under fellowship and there is no exclusion for fellowship in the manuals. I am going to terminate this post so that the next post contains just the firearms/weapons restrictions in the AuxMan and the OpsPolMan. Note in those policies a few things. The policy isn't new. The first cite from the AuxMan will be from the Commandant who states the there is a change to the "no weapons handling policy to facilitate the use of Auxiliarists as range coaches". So no one can get off and state this is a change to a policy they didn't know about. The new policy is a liberalization of the old policy. FWIW - read the remaining sections carefully. Although it has been done for years and is still on-going, there is no provision in the policy, nor is any waiver policy, that lets Auxies function as weapons cleaners. Note the explicit prohibition on 'repair'. OK enough editorializing. The next post is pure cut-n-paste from the manuals. This message has been edited. Last edited by: FL51D7, |
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