quote:

"I just hope that the BP takes advantage of what you gents have to offer."

This single statement says a lot. If you had thought about it you would have probably left it out. All this activity with the BP that you claim and a single agent says that he/she hopes that they use your organization. Quite a slip up that you made there...Ken

ditty-

"The people that are the regulars in this forum will never believe that as they have seen many posts remain that might be questionable."

Well, here is a copy of his emails to me:

"He is suspended so it should be OK now. Keep me informed.
Now you are a horse of a different color. brothers of blue are always at the top of my list. just post back and I will get him for you. i contacted the uscg and no one from the board has contacted "

Did I just make this up?

quote:

Originally posted by dittysmitty:

quote:

"I just hope that the BP takes advantage of what you gents have to offer."

This single statement says a lot. If you had thought about it you would have probably left it out. All this activity with the BP that you claim and a single agent says that he/she hopes that they use your organization. Quite a slip up that you made there...Ken

Leave it out heck no, it just says that to him we are doing a great job!

His "HOPE" is that BP uses us more, that is not a slip in anyones mind, just a simple observation on his part!

And like I said, if you want his Email, just PM me!

quote:

"He is suspended so it should be OK now. Keep me informed.
Now you are a horse of a different color. brothers of blue are always at the top of my list. just post back and I will get him for you. i contacted the uscg and no one from the board has contacted "

Did I just make this up?

Every single word...and you know it...You are quite the character.

quote:

Originally posted by dittysmitty:

quote:

"He is suspended so it should be OK now. Keep me informed.
Now you are a horse of a different color. brothers of blue are always at the top of my list. just post back and I will get him for you. i contacted the uscg and no one from the board has contacted "

Did I just make this up?

Every single word...and you know it...You are quite the character.

ditty oh ditty! Here is his contact mail to me:

You’ve got a message from Abraham M Ross
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He is suspended so it should be OK now. Keep me informed. Mainedawg



Now what say you?

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You know, Ditty... that's crossing the line. I'm going to write to the admin. and request you be banned. It is totally inappropriate to be posting someone's address without their permission.

If you disagree with Ken and his group, that's one thing.. keep the discussion to that. But now, you're trying to bully him by disclosing his address and phone number.

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Originally posted by dittysmitty:

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Now what say you?

Don't have to say too much. Let's see if your buddy can remove this:

Kenneth G. Dreger
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Ditty, game On, shot #3 - Mine again. Ca-ching!

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Don't worry FW...If he behaves himself I will remove it very shortly.

Looks like he is going to be a good boy...for awhile at least.

Ditty, to late...........

Been reported.........

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Originally posted by dittysmitty:
Looks like he is going to be a good boy...for awhile at least.

I think YOU are going to be removed shortly. I have notified the mods. That is just reprehensible behavior on your part. You deserve to be banned. You are nothing but a coward because, thus far, you have been able to hide behind your screen name.

Ken.. I copied and pasted Ditty's post to one of the mods which includes your address and phone number.. so it's on record what he did.

I would recommend you *** out your personal information. Even though it is public record, it's still not a good idea to be out there for all to see.

I will after the mods remove Ditty, then I will clean it up if they don't...lets let them deal with Ditty....


I have had to deal with these types befor, it usually comes with the job, eventually they either get it that is not good, or the local PD pays a official visit to them with our help.


Looks like it went away already! Hummmm....

I hear the Mods coming.....

Ken

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Mr Chase is no longer "on the border"? Why not full disclosure... as in "he is no longer in charge of Border Patrol Auxiliary?" Maybe you dont want to talk about BPaux's early history, under the leadership of Mr Chase?

And Chase never has been part of our group, get the facts correct.

Well, I would vent your anger at the author of the North County Times article of 31 May 2005, titled: Rift Opens Between Border Watch Groups. It says, quote:

quote:

..... Chase leads a group called the United States Border Patrol Auxiliary.

Youre saying Mr Chase was never a member. But your local paper is saying Mr Chase was the leader of BPAUX in 2005.

Im not looking for ways to shoot you down. But you have to admit it does not sound consistent to someone on the outside.

And the reason I brought up Mr Chase was because the above article contradicts your written posts about how BPAUX gets nothing but positive feedback and that they have never had problems.

quote:

Originally posted by dittysmitty:
Don't worry FW...If he behaves himself I will remove it very shortly.

Now maybe you will behave for a little while during your suspention

Thanks MD- like the RED Eyes! very cool....
And fitting if you know what I mean...

Ken

Thanks so much, mainedawg. I appreciate your quick response.

quote:

Originally posted by CaptainBosco:

quote:

quote:
Mr Chase is no longer "on the border"? Why not full disclosure... as in "he is no longer in charge of Border Patrol Auxiliary?" Maybe you dont want to talk about BPaux's early history, under the leadership of Mr Chase?

And Chase never has been part of our group, get the facts correct.

Well, I would vent your anger at the author of the North County Times article of 31 May 2005, titled: Rift Opens Between Border Watch Groups. It says, quote:

quote:

..... Chase leads a group called the United States Border Patrol Auxiliary.

Youre saying Mr Chase was never a member. But your local paper is saying Mr Chase was the leader of BPAUX in 2005.

Im not looking for ways to shoot you down. But you have to admit it does not sound consistent to someone on the outside.

And the reason I brought up Mr Chase was because the above article contradicts your written posts about how BPAUX gets nothing but positive feedback and that they have never had problems.

CB- it says "United States Border Patrol...."
www.unitedstatesborderpatrolaux.com,
Jim Chase has never been part of BPAUX, he never could of it did not exist prior to our idea of this org in Nov. 2007, at which time Mr. Chase had stoped pursuing that name for over 2 years. His group in San Diego is called something entirely different, some Minuteman name, not BPAUX, and not the BPAUX we started.
I have never even seen Jim Chase at our camp in over 2.5 + years, so could not even recognize him if I had to.

You see, there are thousands of MM groups around the country, and everyone just lumps us all together. We realize it all the time, the public makes no diferentation between groups, heck even my kids get it fouled up!

We ok on that?

Anytime.

CB-
Here is the full article you reference, there is no reference to OUR name in it.
"As the July start-up approaches of a Minuteman Project-style watch along the U.S.-Mexico border in East San Diego County, the two groups spearheading the effort have had a falling-out, officials with those organizations said Tuesday.

Chino resident Andy Ramirez heads up an organization called Friends of the Border Patrol, and Oceanside resident James Chase leads a group called the United States Border Patrol Auxiliary. Both anti-illegal-immigration groups are putting together volunteers to fan out along the border this summer, observe illegal immigrants crossing into the United States, and report them to the U.S. Border Patrol.

Chase's will be on the border starting July 18, while Ramirez's group will begin its watch Aug. 1, the men say.

This month, Ramirez posted a press release on his Web site, stating: "We ... informed Mr. Chase that we shall not have anything to do with his organization under any circumstance."

On Tuesday, Ramirez said he refused to be associated with Chase or his organization because he doesn't like Chase's approach or the use of the Border Patrol in his group's name.

Chase defended his use of the Border Patrol in his group's name and said Tuesday that he felt Ramirez was spreading lies about him.

Officials with both organizations said their border-watch efforts are modeled on the Minuteman Project, a similar endeavor that took place in Arizona in April. During that project, hundreds of volunteers spent four weeks in the Arizona desert observing illegal immigrants and reporting them to the U.S. Border Patrol. Minuteman Project officials said that based on their reports of illegal aliens, Border Patrol agents captured more than 300 undocumented immigrants.

Minuteman Project officials said they hoped to galvanize public opinion on the staggering dimensions of the problem of illegal immigration. From Sept. 30, 2003, to Oct. 1, 2004, U.S. Border Patrol agents captured 1.14 million undocumented immigrants along the country's southwestern border with Mexico.

Hundreds of reporters covered the Minuteman Project in Arizona. The group's efforts ignited a storm of controversy, with some politicians and residents praising their work and others labeling it as racist.

As the time for a similar border watch in San Diego County approaches, concerns have been raised over escalating tensions between groups that advocate tougher enforcement of immigration laws and civil rights groups speaking up for illegal immigrants. An official with the San Diego County Sheriff's Department said recently that he was worried that those tensions could boil over at the border this summer.

Ramirez said Tuesday that he has several issues with Chase. Ramirez said he began avoiding Chase's phone calls after an April conversation in which Chase, according to Ramirez, mentioned the use of snipers.

"That scared the daylights out of me," Ramirez said Tuesday. "We decided we weren't going to have anything to do with him."

Reached by phone Tuesday, Chase said he never said he wanted to use snipers and that Ramirez misunderstood what he was saying during the conversation. When he used the word sniper, Chase said, he was referring to the fact that he had a Minuteman volunteer who had been a sniper in the military, and that he wanted the man to go out in the desert and do reconnaissance work on his own.

"All I can tell you is it's lies; we didn't have guys with sniper scopes," Chase said. "I would never hurt anybody."

He said that he is "probably" going to file a lawsuit against Ramirez for defamation of character.

"I am wondering who he is working for. I am beginning to wonder if he is trying to ruin our movement."

Minuteman Project founder Jim Gilchrist said Thursday that he attributes the conflict between Ramirez and Chase to different styles and backgrounds, with Chase being a former Marine and Ramirez having a civilian background.

"Jim is looking at things with a military eye and Andy is looking at things from a civilian perspective," Gilchrist said. "They are getting into a pissing contest; it's a collision of enthusiasms and egos."

In his press release, Ramirez wrote: "We further reject the usage of the name United States Border Patrol Auxiliary, which would lead the public to infer that the organization is affiliated with the U.S. Border Patrol and government."

Apparently, Ramirez is not the only one with that concern.

On Tuesday, San Diego sector U.S. Border Patrol spokeswoman Hilary Smith said that Border Patrol attorneys are looking into the legality of Chase using the name of the agency as part of his organization's moniker.

"We are concerned that any affiliation may be misrepresented," Smith said. "(We) will take the appropriate steps to ensure that the public understands that this organization is not part of the U.S. Border Patrol and is not a government-sanctioned group."

Chase said his intent in using the name was not to fool anyone. On his Web site, www.unitedstatesborderpatrolaux.com, Chase states he is a civilian volunteer, and under a section titled "The Story Behind Our Name," states, "Congress mandated the Civilian U.S. Coast Guard Auxiliary to help the USCG. Why not a U.S. Border Patrol Auxiliary to fill out the ranks of the USBP."

Chase said Tuesday that he doesn't mind the Border Patrol investigating the legality of his use of the name.

"If they say I can't use the name, we will talk about it and my attorney can talk to their attorney," he said. "I don't want to break any laws, but they are going to have to come up with some good legal reasons why I cannot use it."

Contact staff writer William Finn Bennett at (760) 740-5426 or wbennett@nctimes.com."

Hope this along with the prior posting helps clear up that confusion.

Ken