Has anybody taken both, and if so... how do they measure up to one another?

I took the last AUXSAR course they were going to offer this past weekend, and I felt that alot of it should have belonged in an AUXSEA course instead of AUXSAR. If I didn't pass the test, or even if I did pass, I was wondering if anyone knew when some AUXSCE courses were going to be offered in D8CR (flyandscuba?. )

I have not taken the AuxSar but have taken the AuxSCE. I have to say that this class was very informative and I learned quite a bit from it. I was glad to take the class and also happy to say I passed .

But to answer your question about comparison, I can't provide that info.

Good luck...

The AUXSCE course has yet to be released to the membership as a replacement for AUXSAR. However, because the course requires designated instructors -- there are current courses scheduled for AUXSCE instructors. The last I heard, there were open seats available in some scheduled classes.

Check with your chain of leadership to see if you can secure orders to travel and complete the instructor/trainer course. Not only will you recieve credit for AUXSAR toward AUXOP, you will serve as an instructor to present the AUXSCE course in your area once it is released. The objective is to create a cadre of AUXSCE instructors in each District and in most Divisions...

In my case, candidates for the AUXSCE instructor/trainer course were selected by the District Comodore. I expect that process remains the same for these latest scheduled instructor/trainer courses.

Hi Fly,

We had the AUXSCE course in February of this year at our spring PCA. It was a full class (about 24 students) and we had a set of wonderful instructors that knew the materials very well and had practical expertise to bring. Granted the class did have some "hitches" to contend with but all and all was very helpful for me. With this class, and on my way to crew (coupled with instructor) I will be able to teach the class (technically). I would rather get some experience under my belt first before I teach it though.

AUXSCE course or AUXSCE Instructor/Trainer course?

The National SAR School teaches the AUXSCE Instructor/Trainer course. They designate those who have passed to be instructors (unless D11NR has negotiated some type of change).

I took the couse in Portland the week of NACON. We were told that we couldn't teach the course until the course materials and tests had been developed. To my knowledge, they still have not been released...

That may be the case. I thought the materials were on the "moodle" site. I have not checked in a very long time. We were told at the class that we could teach the class (assuming we met other quals as well). I do know that I have fulfilled this requirement as part of my AUXOP.

They're on the moodle site...

I guess I should have qualified my meaning of "not yet released to the membership" to mean -- not currently in print or available for ordering from the NSC.

How are they handling the exams? At one point they wanted it to be a computerized only option... (I'd prefer a written hard copy format given the charting of scenarios).

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ould have qualified my meaning of "not yet released to the membership" to mean -- not currently in print or available for ordering from the NSC.

How are they handling the exams? At one point they wanted it to be a computerized only option... (I'd prefer a written hard copy format given the charting of scenarios).

No clue... the stuff on the website is just the course materials.

The tests are still in paper form as far as I know . And I don't believe they will computerize the charting stuff (I would prefer they don't). There is alot of practical experience that can be learned from the tests. Again, I truly enjoyed the class.

11NR has the text in electronic form here

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11NR has the text in electronic form

Nice...thanks. But I see that Lesson 10 is missing. Anyone know why?

Looks like Lesson 10 is instructor only material for an in-class Lab/Practical discussion.

Update:

AuxSCE has been officially announced on the What's New Page.

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Auxiliary Search Coordination & Execution (AUXSC&E) Course Replaces AUXSAR

The new AUXSC&E course is now available at ANSC and is ready to be taught in the Districts. This course replaces AUXSAR in the Auxiliary's suite of AUXOP courses. AUXSC&E, which is the Auxiliary version of the Coast Guard's Search Coordination & Execution course, is an AUXOP course, and as such, is not required for qualification or currency maintenance for the Boat Crew program. Additional information about the new course can be obtained at www.auxtdept.org.
[Posted: 15 AUG 2008. Source: Gail A. Fisher, DC-T]

However, in a classic case of the Aux Right Hand Not Knowing What the Left Hand Is Doing, the following announcement is made 2 days after the one above.

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Update to Documentation Revision List for Training Courses
The National Training Department's Documentation Revision List has been changed to incorporate updates in the documentation to support the New Member Course material developed by the Personnel Department. Updates include the Reference Guide, Student Guide and exams. This list has been developed by the National Training Department to provide the current revision of training material required for program qualification and AUXOP courses. All items listed have been reviewed by responsible departments and confirmed as the latest revision.
[Posted: 17 AUG 2008. Source: Ken Kendall, DC-Td]

Note that the Department Chief made the AUXSCE announcement and the Deputy DC made the one above.

The problem is that the Document Revision List, published 2 days after the AuxSCE announcement does not mention AuxSCE. Instead it still lists AuxSAR, which was last updated in 1996, as a valid AuxOps course and makes no mention of AuxSCE. And looking at the detail revision dates (1996) let's you know that the mistake isn't just changing the title of the course.

Now if a DC and her deputy cannot get simple stuff like this correct, is it any wonder that the AuxOp courses themselves are so far out-of-date.

Hehe.... no comment...

I just finished taking SC&E this past Sunday. It seems they still have a good number of corrections and tweaks to the course but it went nice and smooth for a 4 day course. I think I learned a lot and it seems my ability to plot and reason may have discovered a rather curious flaw somewhere in one of the practical exam problems.

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Has anybody taken both, and if so... how do they measure up to one another?

Back to Baloo's original question: Yes, I have taken both. AUXSCE is far superior to any previous flavor of AUXSAR. The reversing tidal problems of the old chapter 3 are gone. This course recognizes the existence of SAROPS which will generate a CSP based on known current patterns. The emphasis of AUXSCE is on plotting search patterns, given the parameters of the required search.