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And the low performers (most of the people that responded) keep the Auxiliary down and make it look like a joke to the Gold Side. Hopefully you old guys are not corrupting too many younger guys with your lazy, old boy ways. Wait a minute, not many of us young guys in the Auxiliary to begin with!

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Not all patrols are your sit back and cruise down the river kind. Maybe if you have to pull somebody in with a rope your penny loafers will provide traction. Of course, that’s what most of you old guys wear anyway. Do you guys shuffleboard on patrols too?

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Originally posted by geejaydee:
Originally posted by Peale1, but since deleted:

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And the low performers (most of the people that responded) keep the Auxiliary down and make it look like a joke to the Gold Side. Hopefully you old guys are not corrupting too many younger guys with your lazy, old boy ways. Wait a minute, not many of us young guys in the Auxiliary to begin with!

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Not all patrols are your sit back and cruise down the river kind. Maybe if you have to pull somebody in with a rope your penny loafers will provide traction. Of course, that’s what most of you old guys wear anyway. Do you guys shuffleboard on patrols too?

Hims does get a bit testy when challenged, doesn't him? I guess over-the-top wannabes are like that. . .

...gjd

Challanged? By you? Dream on old man.

I deleted it because at the last minute I thought I would be respectful to my elders. However since you brought it back I will state again, people like you are a low performers and a disgrace to the Auxiliary. You want people to look like a slob, go ahead. I am in the military already; I don’t wish to be in the Regular/Reserve Coast Guard. However I don’t believe in looking like a slob either. I guess I have more respect for myself than you do. If that is a wannabe to you, fine. But its people like you that make the Auxiliary look like a joke. If you old timers were so good the Auxiliary wouldn't be hurting so bad.

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. . .people like you are a low performers and a disgrace to the Auxiliary. You want people to look like a slob, go ahead. I am in the military already . . . . . . I guess I have more respect for myself than you do. If that is a wannabe to you, fine. But its people like you that make the Auxiliary look like a joke.

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Originally posted by Peale1:

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Originally posted by geejaydee:

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. . . While regulations don’t bar boat shoes I think as a matter of safety you are better off wearing the safety boots.

I have seen the term “boat shoes” apply from clogs to penny loafers. . . While safety boots won’t protect you from everything they are better than boat shoes, or as some have mentioned no shoes.

It's not that the regs "don't bar" boat shoes --rather, they specifically mandate them in certain situations. On the Eagle, for example, safety shoes may be required for for heavy work, but non-skid shoes for boat operations are mandatory. (The ODU is worn with steel-toed boots in most circumstances, but low-cut black or brown boat shoes may be prescribed for certain situations.. .

Good, if you go on the Eagle wear boat shoes, but what about 99.99999999% of the other time? I am referring in general, not such an obscure example like the Eagle, which most Coasties or Auxies will never serve on. I am not going to risk breaking a foot or worse because I want to feel more comfortable.

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Whatever you wear, look professional.

I concur, but then you say:

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I think if you wear the Coastie uniform you should look like a Coastie, we are TEAM COAST GUARD after all. Otherwise the Auxiliary should come up with their own completely different uniform.

I think an Auxie should look like an Auxie, not an AD member of the CG. The Auxiliary uniform is sufficiently distinctive than the CG uniform. The key is to mandate wearing of the Aux uniform while augmenting, instead of trying to blend in with the Regulars (thus causing most of this confusion).

You are wearing a CG uniform with Auxie insignia. The Auxie regulations are exactly the same as the Coast Guards in regards to grooming. And if you are wearing ODUs you shouldn’t wear tennis shoes with it. If people don’t want to follow the CG and even the Auxiliary standards maybe its time for a different uniform, like a polo shirt and slacks, with tennis shoes or loafers, and some kind of safety shoe for patrols.

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. . . people get their first impression by the way you look, and the way you look says a lot about you.

Possibly, but only if one only looks at the superficial. The way you do you do your assigned job over the long haul (and regardless of uniform niceties) says a lot more!

Would you want a waitress who was the best waitress in the world as far as service goes, but wore dirty clothes, long unkempt hair, and unbrushed teeth?
Pride in what you look like says a lot. If I go to a junkyard and the guy working there is dirty that’s normal, but there is NO EXCUSE for someone in the Auxiliary to wear soiled uniforms.

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I would never go on any vessel in boat shoes, but I would have enough respect to wear non-streaking boats.

It's interesting how times change. When I was on the Eagle "Top Siders" were mandatory for all cadets, as well as all enlisted crew and officers. I can't imagine it being "safe" to climb the rigging in boots -- but maybe that's why they now have to wear safety harnesses when working aloft!

That's what I think, and I'm sticking to it. . .

That’s your best example for wearing boat shoes, the Eagle? Next time I go on patrol on a barque and have to climb the rigging, I will break my own policy and wear boat shoes. Again, on 99.999999% of CG ships you will be expected to wear boots.

...gjd

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Originally posted by Peale1:
e elders and leave it out.

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Originally posted by geejaydee:
Originally posted by Peale1, but since deleted:

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And the low performers (most of the people that responded) keep the Auxiliary down and make it look like a joke to the Gold Side. Hopefully you old guys are not corrupting too many younger guys with your lazy, old boy ways. Wait a minute, not many of us young guys in the Auxiliary to begin with!

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Not all patrols are your sit back and cruise down the river kind. Maybe if you have to pull somebody in with a rope your penny loafers will provide traction. Of course, that’s what most of you old guys wear anyway. Do you guys shuffleboard on patrols too?

Hims does get a bit testy when challenged, doesn't him? I guess over-the-top wannabes are like that. . .

...gjd

Challanged? By you? Dream on old man.

I deleted it because at the last minute I thought I would be respectful to my elders. However since you brought it back I will state again, people like you are a low performers and a disgrace to the Auxiliary. You want people to look like a slob, go ahead. I am in the military already; I don’t wish to be in the Regular/Reserve Coast Guard. However I don’t believe in looking like a slob either. I guess I have more respect for myself than you do. If that is a wannabe to you, fine. But its people like you that make the Auxiliary look like a joke. If you old timers were so good the Auxiliary wouldn't be hurting so bad.

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Originally posted by Forewatch:
Oh I see... you are called out for ageism, you know you're guilty... and now you try to divert the conversation to me?

Nice try.. it ain't flying.

Now.. how about an apology to GeeJay and all of the Auxies you insulted with your very discriminatory and inflammatory ageist remarks? Are you man enough to apologize?

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Originally posted by Forewatch:

I'd be interested to know what they wear on the Eagle. Boat shoes as well as boots are PROHIBITED on all of the tall ships I sail on. Why? Because they're unsafe for climbing the rigging. Boots are unsafe in the yards for obvious reasons, and boat shoes because they can slip off on the ratlines.

Tall ship crew normally wear lace up sneakers... although some hard-core traditionalists go barefoot while climbing.

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Back then we didn't wear safety harnesses at all, even out on the yards. I always felt that was a little scary because it was best to have a concave stomach -- even then mine was a bit on the convex side.

...gjd

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There is no need for me to apologize. I didn't say all old people are bad, but some older members with the 'Ol boys-club mentality are dragging the Auxiliary down. I think that that is well known. Unfortunately with only 3,000 members under 40 in the Auxiliary, I am the minority and I don’t expect most people in this forum to agree.

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Originally posted by Ex_CG_GM:

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There is no need for me to apologize. I didn't say all old people are bad, but some older members with the 'Ol boys-club mentality are dragging the Auxiliary down. I think that that is well known. Unfortunately with only 3,000 members under 40 in the Auxiliary, I am the minority and I don’t expect most people in this forum to agree.

Peale, just out of curiosity, exactly how long have you been a member of the Auxiliary?

Is it possible that all them damn old codgers just might have a bit more experience and knowledge then you do? Oh, but that doesn't matter if they don't look good in the uniform, that's right.