Will the Auxiliary ever have a roll in the security & military end of the CG? Like a Shore Patrol?

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Originally posted by canswim:
Will the Auxiliary ever have a roll in the security & military end of the CG? Like a Shore Patrol?

I think you will find that as long as the policy prevents direct law enforement, any such role will be severely limited/non-existant. Most security is done by the MSST and PSU groups. As far as military, the AUX is not Title 10 and not subject to the UCMJ, ergo no military, just augmentation.

--M

Since the AUX is attached directly with the CG unlike SDF's (not really Army) is it more likely the AUX will be converted to a military or law enforcement status if something defastating happens? Just thinking out of the box! Plus everyone will have an opinion on this.

Nope -- won't happen...

No way.

The auxiliary offers ZERO training in law enforcement, and ZERO training in military activity. Also, the auxiliary has almost no fitness requirements. So there are serious problems to using us in such a role.

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Originally posted by CaptainBosco:
No way.

The auxiliary offers ZERO training in law enforcement, and ZERO training in military activity. Also, the auxiliary has almost no fitness requirements. So there are serious problems to using us in such a role.

Never say never. The Coast Guard could resurrect the Temporary Reserve (TR) program. (The law is still on the books.)

The bulk of TRs during WWII were select AUXIEs and many participants served in both rolls to the extent that it's sometimes hard to find the separation. Some "fitness" and other AD requirements (such as age) did not apply to the TRs. These AUXIE/TRs served honorably and well.





Conceivably, it could happen again.

...gjd

I'll believe it when they tell me to install bomb racks on my airplane...

Since Auxies are already authorized to do just about anything for the CG now, I doubt they'll see the need for authorizing using auxies in more direct law enforcement or military roles.

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Originally posted by flyandscuba:
I'll believe it when they tell me to install bomb racks on my airplane...

Probably not bomb racks, but (again, during WWII) Auxie manned acft were doing submarine patrols and checking for torpedoed boats and ships when the U-Boats were active in the Gulf (as they were!) right in your District!!!



...gjd

For what it's worth... the CFR permits far more than policy...

--M

Oh, I'm quite familiar with the use of the Auxiliary (as well as the organization-that-can't-be-mentioned that starts with a C) during WWII.

Such use at a time when our shores were at risk with the lack of current day technology (satellites, high-tech radar coverage, etc.) was beneficial. Those times are well past -- we don't seem to be too concerned about a U-boat landing a shore party for sabotage these days. Hell, with the lack of current border security and the "sanctuary" cities reaching their arms out to illegal aliens -- the enemy can arrive quite easily. No armed Auxies will stop that...

I'm not familiar with their being any sort of Auxiliary aviation program during World War II. Citation?

"Also at the end of 1944 the Auxiliary’s air wing which supports Coast Guard air operations had just been formed."

Citation can be found here -- under the Conclusion section:

http://www.cgauxinternational.org/AuxHx.pdf

"Airplanes joined the Auxiliary informally during the Second World War. The first official mention of a Coast Guard Auxiliary pilot dates from 1943. Public Law 451, passed by the Congress in September, 1945, added owners of aircraft and radio stations to the list of those eligible for membership in the Auxiliary."

Citation can be found here -- in the middle of the section entitled, Peace: What Next?

http://www.uscg.mil/history/Auxiliary%20History.html

Interesting, but anything more specific to AuxAir anti-submarine patrols like gj mentioned?

I believe that was the focus of the Auxiliary on the east coast during that time frame -- combating the U-boat threat...

I recall something on display at the Naval Aviation Museum regarding a U-boat attack and an Auxiliary aircraft. I'll try to go by there the next time I'm on base and see if I can snap a few pictures.

I guess it would break your heart if the un-nammed "C" organization wasn't the only one flying anti-submarine patrols during WWII, eh?

The government will always rely on bodies more than electronics. They will find away use anyone for free. Besides augmentation is a very broad word it depends who interperates it.

During WW II., privately owned boats were confiscated by the government for military use without compensation to the owners. After the war, few owners ever saw their vessels again.

canswim,

No. The bodies must be TRAINED and meet requirements, physical, PSI+, schooling, etc. The AUX can't provide that. No matter how much some of the AUX members want the TR activated, they have no concept of what it means.

We don't have the threat we did during WWII. Better to serve as an augmentee at a station, releasing AD/Reserves to do the work.

Not Trained? To create a small unit can come out of two flotillias. Remember there are fit and trainned Marines, soldiers & etc in many flotillias. For what the CG is tasked with you do not need 13 weeks of basic. I have two 57 year old Marines that can out perform majority of twenty year olds. Prior to 9/11 98 percent NG troops have held a rifles in more than two years much less have not marched 100 yards in that time. With that type of record you are re-training from the ground up. Whats the difference between us and them? Red Tape. Another fact is that most AUX personell are more trained in various areas and not to mention more mature. Plus can adapt easier than your average joe. Myself I'm in my late thirtys and will still pull guard duty if called upon. I posed this question to get opinions on what the vast majority thought. I think I succeded! It's great to be an american.

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Originally posted by flyandscuba:
I believe that was the focus of the Auxiliary on the east coast during that time frame -- combating the U-boat threat...

I recall something on display at the Naval Aviation Museum regarding a U-boat attack and an Auxiliary aircraft. I'll try to go by there the next time I'm on base and see if I can snap a few pictures.

I guess it would break your heart if the un-nammed "C" organization wasn't the only one flying anti-submarine patrols during WWII, eh?

No, I am honestly curious about it.