How about the "Sinner Sanctum?"

Looking back at the topic, how is this helping, this name that soap opera fandango?

I seriously forgot why the Auxiliary needs more volunteers. I laid awake last night drafting my letter of resignation, and I put it on paper this morning. But if they really need me, I'll stay another couple of nights.

Come on, Sky, stick around for a while. . .

...gjd

Believe it or not, this is not like the teenage girl threatening suicide. I was recruited and joined to fly with the Auxiliary, and now for some political reason they are telling me that I can't fly, not even as an observer. I qualified as an Auxiliary pilot in 1995, so it is an REYR problem, not a joining the program problem. Apparently it is beyond the capability of DirAux to correct, but he really doesn't have any discretion about accepting my resignation.

Hmm...

Don't yall have ADSO-AV's that handle "squadron" issues?

Have one of them go to bat for you and take care of it.

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Originally posted by Skyray:
Believe it or not, this is not like the teenage girl threatening suicide. I was recruited and joined to fly with the Auxiliary, and now for some political reason they are telling me that I can't fly, not even as an observer. I qualified as an Auxiliary pilot in 1995, so it is an REYR problem, not a joining the program problem. Apparently it is beyond the capability of DirAux to correct, but he really doesn't have any discretion about accepting my resignation.

Make friends with the YN at DIRAUX... you'd be amazed at how many problems can be fixed.

--M

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Originally posted by baloo0136:
Hmm...

Don't yall have ADSO-AV's that handle "squadron" issues?

Have one of them go to bat for you and take care of it.

We do, and I did. He sent me an email that said that he talked to the DSO-AV and that no how, no way, was I ever going to fly for Aux Air. I sent the email to the District Commodore, and got a reply that I should follow the chain of information and management. Since the DSO works directly for the Commodore, I am at a loss as to what that would be.

Sky. . . Look at it this way: If people like you continue to resign, we'll end up with only anonymous folks like Dittysmitty! God help us. . .

...gjd

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He sent me an email that said that he talked to the DSO-AV and that no how, no way, was I ever going to fly for Aux Air. I sent the email to the District Commodore, and got a reply that I should follow the chain of information and management. Since the DSO works directly for the Commodore, I am at a loss as to what that woul

Go to DIRAUX or the National Air guys... or... come fly for D8CR. It's not political.

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I sent the email to the District Commodore, and got a reply that I should follow the chain of information and management. Since the DSO works directly for the Commodore, I am at a loss as to what that would be.

Description and illustrations exist in the AUXMAN.

--M

(Baloo has a good idea, I've heard good things about D8CR also)

An Auxie from outside my area (but within D8) is flying with me and another D8CR pilot on two scheduled missions next week -- so he can get the required hours necessary for maintenance of a designation. So, it can be done. The rub, however, is that even though the crew hours are submitted on the 7030 form that should go into the system, the "annual renewal" 7015 form does require the signature of the respective DSO-AV.

Also, even if you were able to get the hours needed to come out of REYR for Observer -- based upon your statements, it doesn't sound as if you'd have much success in getting further mission tasking as crew within D7.

Unfortunately, it sounds like more is involved in your case than has been provided in your post. (Doubtful that it is beyond the ability of DIRAUX to correct)

Much can fall within the realm of this statement:

"The Coast Guard does not make any assurances that aircraft will be accepted as operational facilities nor does it suggest that all qualified Auxiliary members will be accepted into the aviation program as pilots. Fiscal, operational and geographical needs of the U.S. Coast Guard are the controlling factors in the AUXAIR program"

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Much can fall within the realm of this statement:

"The Coast Guard does not make any assurances that aircraft will be accepted as operational facilities nor does it suggest that all qualified Auxiliary members will be accepted into the aviation program as pilots. Fiscal, operational and geographical needs of the U.S. Coast Guard are the controlling factors in the AUXAIR program"

I don't believe this realm includes the banning of an outspoken member whose reputation may be considered by the locally lofty "High Silver" as a PITA. I do wonder if there is really is a "(n)ever going to fly for Aux Air" category? A "blackball" system?

...gjd

Transfer to a D8CR flotilla..

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Originally posted by baloo0136:
Transfer to a D8CR flotilla..

Baloo0136 has made this suggestion more than once. Why not, Sky?

...gjd

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Originally posted by geejaydee:

I don't believe this realm includes the banning of an outspoken member whose reputation may be considered by the locally lofty "High Silver" as a PITA. I do wonder if there is really is a "(n)ever going to fly for Aux Air" category? A "blackball" system?

...gjd

Without knowing more, one can not determine if Skyray may be a "victim" of his outspoken nature -- or if there are other issues involved. If DIRAUX has been involved in his process to gain acceptance -- and nothing has occurred, I doubt that it is limited to some "silver-side" conspiracy. Each District has an Aviation Board -- and DIRAUX has a seat on that board.

If he has not exercised his options through the chain of leadership (though it sounds as if he has), then I encourage him to do so.

I've not met Skyray (to my knowledge) nor have I flown with him. I have no detailed information regarding his "history" in D7 or the AUXAIR program. Therefore, I can't offer an opinion one way or the other if he is being treated unfairly. However, it is common to go farther in life as a team player -- rather than by being outspoken to the point of being considered a PITA. If it is the case that all operational and functional requirements are possessed by a member -- but yet exclusion occurs strictly because of personality differences, it would be sad.

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skyray has experienced a very long and frustating history of his qualification renewal paperwork being "lost".

I wouldn't trust D7 peeps too much... the only dealings I've had with their district officers didn't go well, and they showed that they weren't exactly the most inspired or competent leaders.

Plus, these are the same guys that Hal had to deal with... Not that I'm defending him, but if they're that screwed up dealing with stuff I'm sure it applies to other things. Also, they are also in CAP from what I heard, and we all know about the issues with the Florida Wing.

Fly... not everyone has fairly good people like we do in D8CR...

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However, it is common to go farther in life as a team player -- rather than by being outspoken to the point of being considered a PITA.

Kind of like, "To get along, go along." If Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Hale, etc. had done this, we would probably be using this logo:

...gjd

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Originally posted by geejaydee:

Kind of like, "To get along, go along." If Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Hale, etc. had done this, we would probably be using this logo:

...gjd

I suppose -- if your involvement in the Auxiliary is on the level with an attempt to create a nation -- so be it. (If so, you probably really need other activities in your life...)

However, in business, politics, the military, and service organizations -- yes, the Auxiliary included -- those who are responsible for managing and directing programs will prefer to work with team players (I expect you would too -- if it were you running a program...then you'd consider those outspoken with a different view as being a PITA) -- rather than someone in open opposition. Simply human nature -- no more.

If Skyray wants to get out of REYR for Observer, he's welcome to come fly the required mission hours with me. I'll send in the 7030 form to document his time. Dealings within his District with regards to participation in the D7 AUXAIR program and the acceptance of his annual 7015 form is certainly out of my control -- as well as out of the control of the National Aviation Staff.

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However, in business, politics, the military, and service organizations -- yes, the Auxiliary included -- those who are responsible for managing and directing programs will prefer to work with team players (I expect you would too -- if it were you running a program...then you'd consider those outspoken with a different view as being a PITA) -- rather than someone in open opposition. Simply human nature -- no more.

As is common in businesses that profess to believe in teams, there is always someone that wants to be the decision-making "manager" -- finding it necessary only to give the appearance of getting "buy in" from the rest of the team. . .

Before retirement I ran quite a few programs and I always encouraged the people subordinate to me on the organization chart to be vocal in their opposition, outspoken and, if necessary, downright revolutionary. Funny thing, all the programs (about 6 a year for 20 some odd years) were successful (Yes! All of them!).

Sometimes one has to get beyond "human nature," and deal with "dynamic tension" and "constructive anarchy."

Anyway, that's my humble but well-documented opinion.

...gjd