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FL51D7
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I found elements of the following story from the Stanley News & Press to be a bit strange. The story, based on the newspapers address, is in NC. Emphasis added.

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The U.S. Coast Guard Auxiliary unit is looking for more volunteers to keep flotilla in the water.I changed the names of anyone mentioned.

Flotilla Staff Officer (FSO), XXXX, has been trying to recruit new members to patrol Badin Lake and Lake Tillery. If his flotilla does not obtain more members, they may be disbanded.


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“We want to have enough to start another flotilla as well as cover our own,” XXXX said.


First impression - if your are trying to get enough members to survive then trying to get enough to start another unit may be a case of your reach exceeding your grasp. Stick to the original goal.

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The Auxiliary unit participates in search and rescue and is able to perform boat inspections for those who would like their boat to be brought to regulation. Each new member will receive training and will be encouraged to take classes in order to increase their knowledge of the every aspect of a flotilla.


The "will receive" sounds like an order - something volunteers don't take kindly too. It should have read "may". At first I thought it might be an oversight and then I read the following quote:

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“We want you to do everything,” XXXX said.


That may be local policy but it isn't Nat policy. I cannot think of a better way to scare off potential candidates for membership. Most volunteers want to start small and get their feet wet in the organization. Telling them right off the bat they are expected to do everything is a bit over the top.

And then you read:

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In addition to the daily job-related activities, the U.S. Coast Guard Auxiliary also goes on war maneuvers with the Army in order to provide training for themselves and members of the Army.


That makes you wonder what missions the Aux in NC is performing - doesn't it?

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Any individual interested in joining the auxiliary team will go through an intense background investigation and pay a $25 membership fee per year.


They get bonus points for honesty on that one!!!! Smile

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Members have the opportunity to work for a higher rank in the division, which means an increase in responsibility.


Repeat - as we have read here so many times - The Aux Does Not Have Rank! Members hold office not rank.
 
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baloo0136
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Can we say really crappy reporter?.Smile
 
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Interesting story. Also, not to split hairs but while this is policy, the CFR doesn't read that way.
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Repeat - as we have read here so many times - The Aux Does Not Have Rank! Members hold office not rank.
How is that for gas on the fire? Big Grin

Peace--M
 
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FL51D7
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The statement appears in the AuxMan 1.A.5. Customs and Courtesies

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The Auxiliary is non-military and Auxiliarists hold office instead of rank.


Apparently the CG has decided that since we are not militiary, as specified in the USC, then we cannot hold rank. However, that would be an interpretation of the USC - other then being non-military, the rank prohibition is not explicitly in the USC or the CFR.

However, since 1939 the CG has steadfastly refused to allow the Aux rank, although the TRs had it. Nor has it allowed the Aux true military titles, like CAP, although the TRs had them.

Keep pouring ...
 
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Ancora
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Three years ago we voted to disband our flotilla due to lack of membership. In spite of protestations from division we went ahead and spent all our money on a disband party and had a good ol' time. Anothet flotilla took a dump this year.The division is down to five flotillas with another flotilla on it's deathbed.
When will the brass consider consolidation as a means of survuval for the Auxiliary?
 
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Originally posted by FL51D7:
The statement appears in the AuxMan 1.A.5. Customs and Courtesies

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The Auxiliary is non-military and Auxiliarists hold office instead of rank.


Apparently the CG has decided that since we are not militiary, as specified in the USC, then we cannot hold rank. However, that would be an interpretation of the USC - other then being non-military, the rank prohibition is not explicitly in the USC or the CFR.

However, since 1939 the CG has steadfastly refused to allow the Aux rank, although the TRs had it. Nor has it allowed the Aux true military titles, like CAP, although the TRs had them.

Keep pouring ...
That's why I made the distinction (albeight a slight reference) between policy and the CFR. Hal has correctly stated the policy, thanks! Beer

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FL51D7
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Speaking of Policy - the following was posted to the old HalfDeck Forum - I forgot by who. thought it was funny and saved it. It is based on a similar generic thingee. For your reading pleasure:

the Book of Auxiliary Life

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Today's reading is from the Book of Auxiliary Life, Chapter 1, verses 1-15

1. In the beginning was the Plan
2. And then came the Assumptions
3. And the Assumptions were without form
4. And the Plan was without Substance
5. And darkness was upon the face of the Members
6. And the Members spoke among themselves saying, "It is a crock of sh*t and it stinks"
7. And the Members went unto their FCs and said, "It is a crock of dung and we cannot live with the smell"
8. And the FCs went unto their DCPs saying, "It is a container of organic waste, and it is a very strong, such that none may abide by it"
9. And the DCPs went unto their RCOs saying, "It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may abide its strength"
10. And the RCOs spoke among themselves, saying to one another, "It contains that which aids plant growth, and it is very strong"
11. And the RCOs went to the DCOs, saying unto them, "It promotes growth and is very powerful"
12. And the DCOs went to NACO, saying unto Him, "It has very powerful effects"
13. And NACO looked upon the Plan and saw that it was good
14. And the Plan became Policy
15. And that is how sh*t happens
 
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RiverAux
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I'd say that if in the Aux you want to do something you will receive training in it (or at a minimum prove you don't need the training by showing you can already do the tasks). Nothing wrong with that wording.
 
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The entire thread smells a little "rank' to me.
 
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baloo0136
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I think you guys are blowing some crappy reporter's story a bit overboard.Smile
 
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Jack_Smith
Sounded as though there was a bit of a squabble.
Squabble? They're all dead!
Oh! Must have been more of a tiff then.
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Ad Nauseum.

I believe 99.2% of the media have no clue as to what they writing about.

Just yesterday one of the big stories was the scuba diver killed when lightning hit his "oxygen" tank.

(Common Misconception #1: Divers DO NOT dive with pure oxygen! O2 is Toxic at pressure!!)

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Forewatch
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Originally posted by Jack_Smith:
Ad Nauseum.

I believe 99.2% of the media have no clue as to what they writing about.


I believe 99.2 % of the people who criticize the media have no idea what they're talking about.
 
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geejaydee
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Where can I find the other .8% of the people?? Big Grin
 
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Jack_Smith
Sounded as though there was a bit of a squabble.
Squabble? They're all dead!
Oh! Must have been more of a tiff then.
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Forewatch: What paper do you write for?
 
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Originally posted by Jack_Smith:
Forewatch: What paper do you write for?


What makes you think I write for a paper?
 
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geejaydee
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Originally posted by Jack_Smith:
Forewatch: What paper do you write for?


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me·di·a1 /ˈmidiə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mee-dee-uh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun
1. a pl. of medium.

2. (usually used with a plural verb) the means of communication, as radio and television, newspapers, and magazines, that reach or influence people widely: The media are covering the speech tonight.

–adjective
3. pertaining to or concerned with such means: a job in media research.
 
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Forewatch
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Thanks for making my point, GeeJay. "Media" does not necessarily mean "newspapers." I appreciate you posting that. Smile
 
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Originally posted by Ancora:
Three years ago we voted to disband our flotilla due to lack of membership. In spite of protestations from division we went ahead and spent all our money on a disband party and had a good ol' time. Anothet flotilla took a dump this year.The division is down to five flotillas with another flotilla on it's deathbed.
When will the brass consider consolidation as a means of survuval for the Auxiliary?



Something else to consider too- consolidation (if I understand your intent with the word correctly) would allow Divisions to better aggregate rapid-callout teams (Boatcrews, land mobile units, etc..) without having to stay 'within' a flotilla to put together a crew... it would make for better training on multiple platforms as well (I couldn't tell you bubkus about any opfacs in my Division except the two I crew on, for example)

just a thought (I do occasionally have one) Beer
 
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Um...we cross flotilla/division train/crew all the time. Are there areas that "force" you to stay within your flotilla? wow.

--M
 
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Ancora
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In our AOR we have no choice but to go to other flotillas and divisions for crew. Crew people are hard to get here. By not having a regular crew the people we do get never really learn the boat. There is just too much machinery and equipment on a forty foot OPFAC to be learned on one patrol. We have to do our quals in October and I know the anchoring evolution will be a toughie as I cannot expose an inexperienced crew member to the ever hungry teeth of the wildcat, just waiting to snatch a finger or a hand. Maybe we will get an understanding QE.
 
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