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This year the VA will be implementing an anonymous mental health and alcohol screening program for both service personnel and family members both online and in-person.

The online program is to be located at www.MilitaryMentalHealth.org. Installations may conduct events and obtain materials at no charge.

The idea here is to provide information to personnel and families who may seek assistance prior to increased severity of a condition.

The VA also announced that it will be implementing a telephone self-assessment as well. The number will be 877-877-3647. Callers are to receive immediate results and referral information or educational resources, if requested.


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Hummmmmmm...I wonder if it has anything to do with this:
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The Christian Science Monitor: from the August 20, 2007 edition - Opinion: Treating the trauma of war – fairly

In relabeling cases of PTSD as 'personality disorder,' the US military avoids paying for treatment.

By Judith Schwartz

Bennington, Vt.

The high incidence of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) among soldiers returning from Iraq is one of the many "inconvenient truths" of this war. Inconvenient largely because it is costly: The most effective and humane means of treating PTSD are time-intensive and long-term.

The military, however, has changed the terms and given many thousands of enlisted men and women a new diagnosis: "personality disorder." While the government would be obliged to care for veterans suffering from combat-related trauma, a personality disorder – defined as an ingrained, maladaptive way of orienting oneself to the world – predates a soldier's tour of duty (read: preexisting condition). This absolves Uncle Sam of any responsibility for the person's mental suffering.

The new diagnostic label sends the message: This suffering is your fault, not a result of the war. On one level, it's hard not to see this as another example of the government falling short on its care for Iraq war veterans. Yet there's another, more insidious, bit of sophistry at work. The implication is that a healthy person would be resistant to the psychological pressures of war. Someone who succumbs to the flashbacks, panic, and anger that haunt many former soldiers must have something inherently wrong with him. It's the psychological side of warrior macho: If you're tough, you can take it. Of course, we know this is not true. Wars forever change the lives of those who fight them and can leave deep scars.

Now is not the first time that psychiatric diagnoses of returning soldiers have been altered apparently for reasons of political expedience. During World War I, countries in Europe were overwhelmed with men coming home complaining of paralysis, confusion, insomnia, and other unexplained symptoms. The disorder came to be known as "shell shock" – a term the British War Office banned in 1917 because it asserted a direct connection between the war and the problem, which meant those suffering were eligible for treatment.

German psychiatrists debated whether such mental problems were the result of "trauma" (from the Greek for "wound") or "hysteria" (from the Greek for "womb," referring to a neurotic state associated with women). Over time the medical establishment favored "hysteria," which put the blame on the individual's failure to adapt rather than on the intolerable nature of modern warfare. In fact, it was thought that the camaraderie and rigor of battle would help strengthen those with "weak" mental constitutions and motivate potential malingerers. (A great scholarly book on the topic is "Hysterical Men: War, Psychiatry, and the Politics of Trauma in Germany, 1890-1930" by Paul Lerner.)

In Germany and Austria, the goal shifted from easing a man's pain to rendering him fit to go back to battle, often through the use of strong electric current. (Sigmund Freud was an expert witness at a trial for a prominent psychiatrist accused of overly cruel electric treatments.)

The switch in terms from trauma to hysteria (during World War I) or PTSD to personality disorder (today) is far from trivial. Rather, the new labels allow the government and society at large to do two things: 1) attribute symptoms after serving to individual psycho-pathology; and 2) disown the problem of the former soldiers' suffering. We needn't question the system that sends young people to war – merely the stability of those who bear the emotional brunt of battle.

Politicians have a vested interest in sidestepping the high price soldiers pay for their service. But we know better, and at the very least owe them appropriate medical and psychological care and the acknowledgment of their wounds.

Better screening at the enlistment and training stages is needed, both to forestall retroactive diagnoses and to identify soldiers with personality disorders that could interfere with their duties. (This debate has arisen after recruitment standards have been lowered with regard to mental health and criminal records to fill quotas.)

Better preparation prior to deployment would also help. The National Guard has seen higher rates of PTSD than the Marines. This may suggest that the more extensive training specific to combat received by marines helps them tolerate potentially traumatic situations.

Another important development would be a cultural shift within the military that both recognizes and destigmatizes the need for psychiatric care. This way soldiers and veterans would not be afraid to seek help in a timely manner – or be punished for having psychological complaints.


Finally, we as a nation need to recognize that our actions have consequences for those who assert them – and to remind our leaders before there's any commitment of troops.

Judith D. Schwartz is writing a novel set in Freud's Vienna.
 
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Frown Most people (un)fortunately have not experienced something so traumatic as war so don't understand why the vets can't "just get over it". My hubby has a real hard time talking about things when he's awake but I hear alot when he's 'asleep'. I can even pick up some details when his subconscious decides to speak in english instead of vietnamese.
My mother doesn't understand why my hubby gets so verbally volitile and says "why does something from that long ago still bother him it's not like he's still there or has to go back" when I try to describe the illogical logic of PTSD to her. At this point I just have to walk away from her...slapping sense into her just don't work.
 
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don't understand why the vets can't "just get over it".



This is one of the problems of PTSD in general, but you may be onto something. People who suffer from PTSD 'look' just fine, so people assume that they are.

Thanks for your insight.


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don't understand why the vets can't "just get over it".



This is one of the problems of PTSD in general, but you may be onto something. People who suffer from PTSD 'look' just fine, so people assume that they are.

Thanks for your insight.

Good topic!

That is why it is sometimes still referred to as the "walking wounded."


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We must be ever-mindful of this critical bit of information:

The most effective and humane means of treating PTSD are time-intensive and long-term.


"There are those who believe there are two types of people in the world: Those who believe there are two types of people; and those who don't." John Mahoney...
 
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Try this:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=somatic+experiencing&btnG=Google+Search
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatic_Experiencing

http://www.traumahealing.com/

After a full year of waking to nightmares 5 to 10 times per night, they finally subsided to 4 or 5 per week after just 3 months of therapy. Sure anecdotal evidence is not proof but at least I can get some sleep now. I still jump and cry when the phone rings though and every last person on public transportation is still secretly watching me, waiting for a weakness to show... when I am not flinching at the screech of the wheels on the rail and jamming my fingers in my ears... livin' in my own private Idaho.

I hope at least one suffering vet gets some help from my experience.
 
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Hmmm.

My first thought on reading the article posted was "yeah, exactly why I shied out of being officially labled PTSD and seeking any sort of claim." They've only made official what most people have been thinking all along.

In my case it is probably a bit worse as I suffered from sexual trauma before commissioning, and while I've been told that what occurred when I was AD is in itself sgnificant, most people decide the "real problem" is pre-military service. There is also a strong tendency to assign inherent weakness and believe that the AD occurrences were actually normal behavior i just overreacted to. I am sure I am not the only one who's had that interpretation. It looks like a lot of the rest of us will get to exerience it officially now. Pardon me...but what a crock of sh*t.


152 I want to say thanks to you also. I'd like to say you can't imagine how great it is to read something like that from someone who obviously cares and took the time to understand and...but considering all that you probably already know very well how much your kind of insight is appreciated. Your hubby is a lucky man at least in having you by his side.

I'm struggling with my own demons at the moment, sorry for the rant. Will look back on this topic later!
 
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It's been a while since I visited this thread...

Rusty; Hang in there, Hon. It really can get better. It's only taken the hubby and I about a decade to get to this point in dealing with the PTSD. Yes, 10 years is a long time but it shrinks when compared with the nearly 40 years he's had PTSD. He spent the first decade or so in denial, not knowing at all what PTSD is.


Prismatic; Thank you. My hubby tells me every day how much he loves me and happy he is that I have stayed with him no matter how hard he has tried to push me away. I don't know how long you've been struggling with these issues but I do feel for you. From experience I can say the best thing is to first find a therapist you can trust(always a huge issue with PTSD,trust), don't skip appts unless there is a really good reason and lastly, if they suggest using mood altering meds try it. Sometimes the meds can be weaned away after time, sometimes not. Hang in there and remember 'I'm pullin' for ya, we're all in this together'.

Have you two looked at the "Welcome to..." thread?
 
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Yep. I am in there from time to time, too.

Currently trying to finish up a "ginormous" load of work related to my attempt to earn a master's degree. It's been quite frightening to realize bit by bit just how changed I am from before my time AD. On the other hand, it's been humbling to have support from other veterans when I am about to fall over and quit, and freeing to realize that I'd been trying to force myself to be as I was before (Stare into the mirror and say aloud: "look, you're disabled. You can't do things like you did before. You have to find some other way to accomplish what you need to accomplish.").

I don't know how exactly I am going to manage, but I keep trying on the operative belief that people care and that somehow I will. Maybe that's the first step.

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don't know how exactly I am going to manage, but I keep trying on the operative belief that people care and that somehow I will.


You bet people care. That's why we're all here.


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