I have, fancy, but not in connection with anything military. It's a fairly common tactic in civilian rape and abuse hearings to require extra tests or procedures in an attempt to either freak out the person or get her (or sometimes him) to refuse and use that against her. since you are 100% right that this makes no sense whatsoever, I would bet that's at least part of what is going on.

Hang in there, girl, and remember they are a load of *******s. You can do anything you have to. Ask your attorney if maybe you guys can get something in writing about their reasoning on requiring this, and let us know how you're feeling, ok? Best of luck.

Wow! Well freaking me out it is but this is the kink of thing my commander put me through because I wouldn't sign a general discharge so he put me through a military medical review board of rapist IG's and doctors. The last sob that molested me I said I hope your having fun you sob cause I'm getting an honorable discharge no matter what you sob's do to me. I hate them! It must be the same siko's now at VA!

They get off on torture!

My attorney says this is common unfortunately to the cases she handles.

You are right though Prismatic I guess I'm a tough ole broad and have already survived more than this so I can handle anything this VA can dish out. They on the other hand have to be tape recorded. Two can play. I'm tired of misquotes and things being misrepresented so I am taking a tape recorder with me!

I had a Nazi who wouldn't let me tape record. After all the exams I was not in good shape. Told the stupid 80 year old friggin psychiatrist I was suicidal and homicidal and he wrote I didn't look like it. Told him the friggin VA had canceled appointments with him all year and he wrote nothing. I won't go back to the moron. did Jeffrey Dommer look like it? What an ***. he saw me 15 minutes after over a year. I started making my hit list lthat night and my counselor called me and told me to straighten my arse out. She called from her sick bed as I hadn't seen her either fwhile I'm going downhill. Thank God for VA she called. What asses. If she wasn't there I don't know what all I know is I gotta GET OUT OF THIS area. I limit my care with VA. I only go because I have to. God knows I don't choose to.

Ouch, fancy...

Right now the one thing I can think of is to ask if there is any other VA facility anywhere near? I don;t know enough about how they do exams to comment on that, but it sounds like BS to me too...I have heard a great deal here though about exactly the same sort of thing. It's pretty ridiculous to think anyone can eval someone on 15 minutes. One possibility suggested by the VSO here is that (I am not sure I have what he said right so maybe check this with dave, hey?) after you get any kind of rating for PTSD (and I would assume MST is the same) if there is not a facility right in your town you can make the VA pay for visits to a professional in your area if one familiar witht he condition exists...and that their assessment can be used to push the VA adjust the rating to what it should be. So maybe something liek that might be a possibility for you? I personally have no faith int he VA itself to do any kind of assessment accurately, so, if I ever get my statement finished, this is the way I am going to go (with my VSO's help!).

Hang on, girl. Just hang on. Get mad, but don;t get even that way...they are not worth it!

I'm trying to hang on but they have pushed me back to where I was before and that sucks a big one. I still have a pelvic exam tomorrow and was told it wasn't optional. This is the last f they get.

Hang in there Fancy. We all support you through this negetive situation.

Thanks Flash and Prismatic for your thoughts.

Realfancy, Who is ordering these examinations and for what reason? Have you told your VSO? It sounds like crap to me!! I had an interview with a Dr. that asked a bunch of questions about my mental health. He is the one that but that I have service connected PTSD due to MST. Are you seeing a mental health provider? Take care! Sally

These are C&P exams ordered by the regional office supposedly for my PTSD MST increase. The doctor who molested me talked about my insides and so they ordered it. Go figer! Makes no sense to me. I told them I felt raped all over again but they are doing it anyway and even though my lawyer also protested it was ordered.

Fancy, how ya doin? Talk to us.....we're here for ya.

Thanks patriot girl for your concern, for everyone's concern. It was done by my Navy nurse who usually does my paps. A male handed me a questionaire I didn't answer completely because it was too personal and she said it was ok cause she knew all they needed to know. I think she was upset because there was no consult. Anyway she was calming as one can be under the circumstances and it helped I knew her. I zoned out after that and have been steadily going downhill. I'd say I'm back where I was before going to treatment last year thanks to them. I keep seeing the dark place where I was raped in the woods which is my flashback that makes me feel I'm going to die. It has been overwhelming and I hope they all die for putting me through this. I hate them. I never knew hate before the military. Now it's too familiar. I'm back to isolating too. None of it good but I keep going one day at a time as Sally says. I try to focus on more positive and the things I learned but in the night it's hard. I'm back to parimeter checking all the bs as before. Night terrors, etc. I just hate it. Thanks for being here.

To put you through that is mean!! Do you have a mental health provider that you see? Do they know what is going on! Your reactions are normal!! Tiny little positive steps forward. I will be going to the United Female Veterans Conference in St. Louis, Mo. June 26-29. I still have nightmares. My biggest problem is panic attacks in crowds. Sally

Well, this whole thing is appaling, no doubt about that! I am experiencing trouble with groups of people myself at this time --can't seem to stay through an entire class, though the fact that all of these classes run 3 or 4 hours consecutively is part of that I think-- and either show up midpoint or leave midpoint. I get 'twitchy' at a certain point and it increases to the point that I have to leave. It's not as abrupt or as bad as what you guys are talking about, but maybe it gives me some idea. How are you going to handle the crowds at the conference, Sally? (I wish it was closer...I'd like to go!)

Fancy, I am not sure what to say to help. I've had a couple of odd perimeter check moments myself in the past few days, but for entirely diffwerent reasons that kind of bring out the funny side of things. I live in a large old building divided down the middle, that could have five people on each side according to zoning laws, but since the new landlord wants to remodel it soon I am the only one left on my side and the other side has only two 22 year old undergraduate guys in it. The last person who moved out over here still has her housekeys since she left a huge shelving unit she has to make arrangements to get out of here, and there are three interconnecting doors between the two sides that all lock ONLY on the guys side.

The guys are frank idiots, like most kids that age, given to such stupid stunts as coming over into my side to reach the roof access stairs and taking the hibachi up on the roof and doing a beer-full cookout for their friends one weekend, or starting a big fire in half of a 55 gallon drum split lengthwise and going to bed without putting it out another weekend (I found it at 2 am after tracing the woodsmoke smell).

I've taken to checking the perimeter of my side, then going into the basement and listening hard under their side, checking exactly which cars are outside and where, prowling the small yard, and taking a turn around the outside perimeter as well, a couple of times after dark. I tend to leave my bedroom door open a crack after dark also, and going out to check any noise at all. I've personally made sure all lockable inner doors are close and locked, and check them every night; all other doors are set at specific angles which I eyeball whenever I go through. I feel like I am back at one of my security guard jobs, when I took a "mental snapshot" of the area during a first thorough look around and thereafter reacted to any change in scent, sight, sound, etc. Maybe that's the job for us, hey? Make it decent pay and decent benefits, weekend or evening shift with nobody else around, and just turn us PTSD/MSTers lose...we're observant like nobody else!

Smile, hon...if you can manage to make any kind of joke, you're already miles ahread of the *******s and what they are trying to do to you. Big life lesson. hey? Just learned it myself recently.

you WILL get through this. Like Sally says...tiny positive steps.

Just remember to breathe fancy and thank goodness that it's over now. Open a text file andd type it all out and then delete it that's what I do.
I couldn't even handle the grocery store tuesday, I almost passed out. It helped to take deep breaths though.
Prismatic I couldn't sit through a three to four hour class either don't feel bad.

Thank all of you for your empathy. I have to go back Monday to make sure I get my meds to my VA doctor so that will be the end. Yesterday I had several moles removed by my regular ARNP but that was not bad cause I like her. I have lost so much time the past two weeks. Nausea and sickness is common with all this and all I want to do is isolate. My loved ones think I ought to crawl into the grave I go so much to doctors. I keep hanging in there though Sally and keep going. You all have been great support and this forus has been my lifeline. God Bless.

I'm so glad to have found a forum for MST.
Sad isn't it, MST is such an epidemic that the government had to give it an official acronym.

Trying to navigate all the different threads at Military.com is a bit overwhelming, so I hope I've found the right place to participate in the discussions.

hi navyvet

oops, yes, this thread is not that active...

When I started in this forum I was told that the PTSD threads are actually more active, and that people with MST tend to post there also. I'm passing that on

I think the two bigegst helps have been Welcome to living with PTSD and the Open Discussion Ask questions here threads. If you are not comfortable posting there yet, go ahead and post more here, it will just be awhile probably before someone reads it...and don't worry about the guys or the combat vets thinking you don;t "really" have a problem...I thought I;d get that reception over there, and got great support instead.

Gotta go, but welcome home!